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Its stupid, a 35 point vehicle with av 12 and 3 hull points that's IMMOBILE. They really screwed up on what can count to gain objective secured. If you are in a tournament you know is going to use objective markers as the primary win cons, what is to stop you from using 2 force org charts, and taking 12 with 12 min point squads? Drop 2 near every objective. Heck 12 drop pods is only 420 points, drop a few more just for added screening. I realize it does take away from your armys killing flexability, but very few armies have answers for 12 drop pods over the course of 5 to 7 turns. Heck even just 6, quite doable with a good built army, is really frustrating to clear off the board.

And why can they capture even with no weapon if it gets destroyed? Immobile and no weapon, what are they doing, using the power of the machine spirit to close and they slam open again their 5 doors, like some kind of angry metal octopus?

Actually Drop pods do have a weapon.

Every SM chapter that has drop pods has a sergeant in charge of the pods whose pay gets docked for every pod that is not recovered from the battlefield. This sergeant will let nothing stand in his way, so all pods get Objective Secured to represent the fact that if the Pod is the only thing next to an objective, some time soon the sergeant and his mates will be coming along to pick it up.

DTs getting OS in general feels wrong to me.

 Anpu42 wrote:
Actually Drop pods do have a weapon.

I think the OP was suggesting if the weapon gets destroyed it shouldn't be able to get objective secured... not that it doesn't have a weapon in the first place.

I don't really mind them being able to contest objectives, but yeah, having "objective secured" is a bit insane. Surely a Predator is more capable of holding an objective than a Rhino or a Drop Pod.

In general, immobilized vehicles should never be scoring.

I agree that Drop Pods should get a ruling saying that they never count as scoring.

And I don't really get why they need THREE Hull Points, that's overdoing it.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
Actually Drop pods do have a weapon.

I think the OP was suggesting if the weapon gets destroyed it shouldn't be able to get objective secured... not that it doesn't have a weapon in the first place.

I don't really mind them being able to contest objectives, but yeah, having "objective secured" is a bit insane. Surely a Predator is more capable of holding an objective than a Rhino or a Drop Pod.

And if the weapons is destroyed, the pod is destroyed.
Unless the rule that if an immobilized vehicle has lost its last weapon is destroyed has changed.

SW DPs are also a fast attack option now so you don't have to pay the troop tax. However, they won't be OS, just scoring and your battle brothers can use 'em.

Does that mean sw drop pods can be filled with vet squads if so i have a nasty idea

zilka86 wrote:
Does that mean sw drop pods can be filled with vet squads if so i have a nasty idea

Centurions? already been discussed. Allies can embark in them now, as long as its BB

 Sigvatr wrote:
In general, immobilized vehicles should never be scoring.

This, pretty much. It would be so easy to implement, and would be so elegent.

"All units are scoring with the exception of immobilized vehicles, swooping Flying Monstrous Creatures and zooming Flyers."

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
In general, immobilized vehicles should never be scoring.

This, pretty much. It would be so easy to implement, and would be so elegent.

"All units are scoring with the exception of immobilized vehicles, swooping Flying Monstrous Creatures and zooming Flyers, And Blood Angels Death Company ."

Sad but true

If I had a nickel for every stupid rule in 40K, I'd be a very, very rich person.

This will not be changed with this edition. GW has NEVER changed a rule in the middle of an edition. They have changed options, point costs, units, but never a play rule. The biggest fix they could have done for 3rd edition was "You can't assault out of a vehicle" and it took them three more editions to get the rule we have now. Mixed armor and wound allocation has ALWAYS been a controversial and poorly written rule, and GW still hasn't fixed it yet. It's just as clunky, bad, and ill-conceived as ever.

Just a couple examples of rules that should have or needed changing.

Thatguyhsagun wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
In general, immobilized vehicles should never be scoring.

This, pretty much. It would be so easy to implement, and would be so elegent.

"All units are scoring with the exception of immobilized vehicles, swooping Flying Monstrous Creatures and zooming Flyers, And Blood Angels Death Company ."

Sad but true

Hey, at least the death company's transport can score, as well as the death company dreads and their drop pods

 Tamwulf wrote:
This will not be changed with this edition. GW has NEVER changed a rule in the middle of an edition. They have changed options, point costs, units, but never a play rule. The biggest fix they could have done for 3rd edition was "You can't assault out of a vehicle" and it took them three more editions to get the rule we have now.

6th ed changed how mixed weapon ranges worked, and Look Out Sir rules via FAQ. It could happen.

But yeah, a vehicle that has no weapon and is immobilised should be wrecked.

 Skinnereal wrote:
But yeah, a vehicle that has no weapon and is immobilised should be wrecked.

Disagree completely. We have avenues of wrecking vehicles, so use those. An ork trukk that gets immobilized and loses its weapon may have Hull Points left, and Meks can repair anything that might be wrong with it.

Oh yeah.
Ah well....

But, since a Weapon Destroyed on a vehicle with no weapons and already immobile takes an extra HP anyway.
If the first hit takes the weapon out, a 2nd weapon-destroyed (or an immobilise) will take it down to 0 HP.

How does a Drop Pod get Objective Secured?

Davor wrote:
How does a Drop Pod get Objective Secured?

In 7th, dedicated transports for troops also get OS.

Davor wrote:
How does a Drop Pod get Objective Secured?

It is a Troop Transport

I thought yes it's a troop transport, but since it's in the FA slot it wouldn't get OS. Don't have the SW codex, so I guess it says Dedicated Transport in there for the troops then?

Thanks for the answers guys.

Davor wrote:
I thought yes it's a troop transport, but since it's in the FA slot it wouldn't get OS. Don't have the SW codex, so I guess it says Dedicated Transport in there for the troops then?

Thanks for the answers guys.

Yes:
The Troop Pod get Objective Secure.
The ones bought as Fast Attack do not get Objective Secure.

 Anpu42 wrote:

Davor wrote:
I thought yes it's a troop transport, but since it's in the FA slot it wouldn't get OS. Don't have the SW codex, so I guess it says Dedicated Transport in there for the troops then?

Thanks for the answers guys.

Yes:
The Troop Pod get Objective Secure.
The ones bought as Fast Attack do not get Objective Secure.

This, you can still pick a DP as a DT in the unit entries of those that can select one.

Ran into a list like this with my last game, 2000pt hybrid guard Vs BA drop army. Even with anti tank in the form of vanquisher s and melta vets who were worth their weight in gold as I used them to contest objectives I found the HP on the pods excessive. Fortunatly fearless guard blobs tend tie up even bloodclaw furiosos and I managed to pop two of the four before he assaulted.

Luckily were playing tactical objectives, and while he was busy trying to table me I won heavily through them. I feel that the cards definatly help break the monotony of "stand here with X unit with OS"

 Tamwulf wrote:
GW has NEVER changed a rule in the middle of an edition.

They changed both Assault rules and Vehicle rules in the middle of 3rd edition.

 Tamwulf wrote:
GW has NEVER changed a rule in the middle of an edition.

Iirc, didn't GW change the wound allocation rules with a FAQ in 6th?

It's a vehicle assigned to the troop squad and all vehicles assigned to the troop squads get objective secured. When it drops it doesn't explode, wreck or w/e. For all intensive purposes it's still functional until it loses it's hull points.

Like someone else said...the squad will be back to it eventually so it makes sense to me.

Ether that or there is a secret space marine operating the guns inside considering automated guns are bs2 in general and not space marine 4

Kal-El wrote:


Like someone else said...the squad will be back to it eventually so it makes sense to me.

I am curious. I seen this before. How? What does the squad have to pick it up? How are they going to bring it back up? What is their means of transporting it away? That was their only mode of transportation. I thought it only goes down, it doesn't go up.

So if anyone is going to pick it up, it's not the squad that picks it up but the behind the scene humans would would pick it up, when the pick up the squad.