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I play a slightly unfluffy crusade of black templers and was wondering about buying some assult termies, most like hammers n sheilds, I already own a land raider, and have a second fprgeworld variant with the missile laucncher that can proxy for a crusader.

Are they worth the money to buy, effort to paint and such?
I play for fun not competive level so generally long ad they kill stuff I'm happy and are not total waste of points.

I already own some regular kind, marines, sternguard, devs, honour guard and sniper scouts + assorted transports etc.

Hammernators are always a good buy, theyre one of the only CC units worth their points, and if you can get them to the enemy lines theyll do some real damage before going down. Point them at something big and shiny and watch it die. Beware they die easily to massed small arms, so try to get them to melee and keep them there

Thanks, was just checking as they can be expensive ,nothing worse than them being confined to decorate my desk n die before doing anything every time, thus decorating dresk forever.

I'll buy some then :-)

Do you play dark angels? If that is a yes then assault termies are a good buy. If you dont you should weigh the desicion more heavily.


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Do you play dark angels? If that is a yes then assault termies are a good buy. If you dont you should weigh the desicion more heavily.

Templers, I want something that will pacxk more punch and impact in cC, I know weaker in this version but I wanted somthing that could act as a real sledgehammer.

Go for it. Especially since you already have the LR. They still do a fine job at killing stuff. I play in a environment that’s not aggressively competitive, and still get a lot of good use out of mine.

From what I remember BT LC assault terminators coming out of a Crusader with a character leading them were damn terrifying. I'd say go for it.

2 land raiders :-)
And might add a non proxy crusader or Aires pattern as a av14 vindicator.

I'm pretty much sold on them, just based choice of claws or hammers but hammers are ment to dang hard to kill.

I run a 5 man squad, 3xTH/SS, 2xLC. WYSWYG is why I started fielding them that way, but the claws have shown their worth quite a few times. You are not always going to be going after things though then MEQ, and for anything equal or less then that, the claws will literally shred them apart. Extra attacks, and the ability to re-roll the wounds is very nice. Nothing gives the dice gods more joy then the phrase “Anything but a one” Thunderhammer terminators get it both on most to wound rolls, and their armor saves. My dice love them.

You will be spending a chunk of time in the LR, so it’s not like you need to be advancing across the open table, taking fire all the way. A few shields kept towards any AP 1-2 will shield the slightly more vulnerable claws marines. Against massed small arms fire, they all have the same 2+ 5++ save.

YES! They are worth it, but only if you run them in a landraider with an HQ giving them some sort of buff. Never for the love of god deep strike them. Even with storm shields you will sit there useless for a turn and die horrible plasma filled deaths. I run 5 TH/SS terminators in a reddemer with my Chapter Master and Harath Shen for that amazing 4+ FNP and his mini captain abilities. So a badass unit with 2+3++4+FNP Go home.

I recently had a squad (4xTH, 1xLC), delivered via Stormraven, destroy a Stompa quite spectacularly. The LC terminator just stood and watched.

There was also a Furioso involved in that combat, but I don't think he done any damage before being stomped. 3 terminators survived.

I run 3 SS/TH and 2 combi melta / chainfist to crack vehicles open. They earn their points almost every game. I DS them but try to keep them in cover the first turn or the enemy will do everything possible to get rid of them before they get into CC.

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I run 3 SS/TH and 2 combi melta / chainfist to crack vehicles open. They earn their points almost every game. I DS them but try to keep them in cover the first turn or the enemy will do everything possible to get rid of them before they get into CC.

Terminator Assault Squads from C:SM, the ones the OP is asking about, can't take combi-meltas and chainfists.

As BT, I have run them in LRC and they have never killed their points. Take them for fun, but they will not win games.

Short answer is yes.

Assault terminators are meant to take out MCs and other high toughness high armor death star units. They are wasted if you assault infantry blobs with them. They are more durable than honor guard and assault centurions.

Their main weakness is that they need a delivery vehicle. A land raider variant or a storm raven are the obvious options here. Both are a large points investment but worth it to get them to where then need to go. Food slogging them or deep striking them are bad options.

To increase their effectiveness in assault you can attach a chaplain with them or rely on Helbrecht's special ability to give them hatred once per game.

The down side do all this is that you now have a very expensive unit. Terminators + Land Raider + chaplain which comes close to 600 pts. This is only really useful for larger games of 1500pts and up.

The upside to this is that you have a hard hitting unit in the most durable assault vehicle available which poses an immediate threat to the enemy. They either need to concentrate on this and ignore your other units or go after softer units and face the zeal of sword brethren thunder hammers with re-rolls.

I love running assault terminators with my Black Templar Force. Sometimes I footslog a 10-large unit. 8-TH/SS and 2 LC.

I am able to keep them alive because I also have 3 drop pods, 2 of them with Ven Dreads. So on turn 1, the units that would be able to begin shooting all of my termies have venerable dreadnoughts in their faces. Then I get to use my special Black Templar running Chapter Tactics.

This also saves all the taxes on getting that Land Raider.

Thanks everyone.
Helpful as ever :-)
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