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Let's keep it civil and clean about this. This is an intense situation that may reach to the level of Trayvon Martin/Zimmerman ordeal.

I'm literally 10 minutes away from Ferguson, MO.

We still don't have all the facts as to what happened.

But, first, let me say that I feel for Mike Brown's (18 years of age) friends and family. Any loss of life is very sad and no parents should have to bury their kid.

Here's good summary of what has happened:
Timeline
Around 12 p.m., Saturday: A police officer encounters two people, including Brown, on the street near an apartment complex in Ferguson.
One of the men allegedly pushed the officer back into his squad car and a struggle begins, authorities state.
One shot is fired from the officer's gun inside the police car.
The struggle spills onto the street and Brown is shot multiple times. Police say there were "more than just a couple" of shots that struck Brown.
Shell casings show that the bullets are from the officer's gun.

Michael Brown
Age: 18
Ethnicity: African American
Recently graduated high school, and family said he was about to start college
Was not carrying a weapon

The Officer
The officer was employed by Ferguson police department.
Has not been named or identified.
Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson said he would announce the officer's name sometime Monday or Tuesday. [whembly: reportedly being delayed now]
The officer been placed on administrative leave pending investigation.

The Investigation
Police said they are not sure whether Brown was the individual who pushed the officer, and are not sure what the struggle was about. They are also not sure whether the other individual with Brown was armed.
Witness Piaget Crenshaw said she saw Brown facing the cop and holding his arms up just before he was shot.
St. Louis County police are investigating the shooting.
The Justice Department has said they are reviewing the matter.

The Aftermath
Residents of Ferguson, Mo., were outraged by the shooting and have been protesting at the police station, demanding a full investigation.
A candlelight vigil for Brown was held Sunday evening. After the vigil, violence erupted as crowds looted and vandalized stores and vehicles, resulting in 32 arrests and confrontations with police.
The NAACP condemned the shooting. "We're outraged because yet again a young African-American man has been killed by law enforcement," said John Gaskin, who serves on both the St. Louis County and national boards of directors for the NAACP.
The Rev. Al Sharpton called the shooting "very disturbing" and said he planned to go to Ferguson to meet with the family.


We've had rioting Sunday night and last night (Monday) in the region and the situation is still very tense.

Here's some pictures, tweets and vines (spoilered 'cuz it's ginormous):
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Police rolled out armored vehicles to contain the violence.






Looters are taking hair extensions from a beauty supply store. Children as young as ten are taking part in the looting.




There are reports the violence and looting has now spread to neighboring Dellwood.
AutoZone, Taco Bell and other businesses vandalized.


Several businesses were vandalized and looted during the rioting.
But not this one…
St. Louis Ink Tattoo Studio


Anonymous Hacker group is paying attention:



Last night, a mall 30 minutes away got tense:




Protesters are chucking bricks from an Interstate 270 overpass a Major Highway. Police have shut down the interstate in north St. Louis County.
Police are moving people out of Ferguson.

Still last night before dark... Police are getting shotguns and rifles out of their trunks in Ferguson.


Tension is spreading... Police block entrance to the Washington University campus in St. Louis (way far away from Ferguson):


Interactive Map of Shooting, Looting and Violence... yeah, it's that bad that there's a website about this.

appears Democratic State Senator Maria Chappelle-Nadal got gassed last tonight.

Pregnant protester claims police maced and threw her to ground incident caught on video

According to KSDK, all arrested for felony looting yesterday had criminal record, most not from Ferguson

Organized looters moved SOUTH into the City of St. Louis last night. Ten to 15 cars simply pulled up and broke into the store.
Check how far south this is...


Here's a dynamic map of rioting in the St. Louis area:
https://mapsengine.google.com/map/viewer?mid=zQXCU9jTCWt8.k_AxWZwk4ODM
I live very near those reported burglery in the north of this map. (whembly gets his shotgun ready).

The New Black Panther has plans for protesting in Clayton (where county court house resides).


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I found out about the 270 thing last night right before driving home from my PFS game in Illinois. I head down 64 so it wasn't a big deal to me personally.

Soulard was crawling with cops though, saw two groups of two police cars patrolling slowly, and the streets deader than usual, even for a Monday. Generally you see a handful of pepole outside a bar smoking, or walking home late or something, but there was just no one outside. Soulard with the streets completely empty of people before 2 AM is kind of unsettling.

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Soulard empty? That is... strange.

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Leonette Hilliard, a middle school English teacher, wrote a note to the store and taped it onto the side wall saying, “Corporate neighbor: I am sorry this act of robbery and violence has happened. Please return soon.”

She taped it across graffiti saying “187 county police,” the 187 being a slang reference to murder. Hilliard said she comes to the store to two or three times a week and has been doing so for about 15 years.

“This just doesn’t represent who we are as a community and I wanted just to say something to do something that was productive,” she said.

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Well, the last thing the area needs is for businesses to get cold feet and start pulling out. We don't need New East St. Louis in the middle of northern STL. Hopefully this blows over soon.

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I'm generally pissed off about this whole situation. On the one hand, you've got a situation which is being investigated (but apparently not quick enough for some people) in which, most reports that I've seen have suggested that the police officer was in the "right" but again, we don't know all the details so I can't really comment or form an opinion on that myself.


On the other hand, you have a whole community of morons who think that this sort of gak is OK when things don't go their way. It's completely cool for their "own" people to kill, rape, and steal from each other, but if someone else, especially "The Man" does it, it's time to break gak and commit MORE crimes.

   
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Rioting seems a little... premature here. I mean, you look at the LA Riots, and Crown Heights, and there were all significant precursors to the actual rioting. Perhaps St. Louis is a hotspot of racial/police tension.

Truthfully I keep expecting a situation like this to unfold any day now in Albuquerque, where the police are truly out of control.

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 Ouze wrote:
Rioting seems a little... premature here. I mean, you look at the LA Riots, and Crown Heights, and there were all significant precursors to the actual rioting. Perhaps St. Louis is a hotspot of racial/police tension.


I've never felt it, personally. There is a lot of division between the parts of town someone like me "just doesn't go", and the rest of it. I've even had to stop in at places in the former and there's never been any issues.

Police tension, on the other hand... I could probably see that one. I'm guessing the TM stuff probably is still fresher in people's minds than it should be.


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Protesting today in Clayton

Protesters gathered outside the St. Louis County Justice Center on Tuesday morning to demand justice in the case of Michael Brown, 18, shot by a Ferguson officer on Saturday.

About 250 protesters had gathered by about 10:30 a.m. Police closed off Carondelet Avenue near the Justice Center, and officers waited inside with riot gear at hand and plastic ties to use as handcuffs should they be needed.

Protesters walked with their hands up in a "Don't shoot" pose that has been used by protesters since Brown's shooting. Some witnesses said Brown was surrendering like that when he was shot.

"Hey hey, ho ho, racist cops have got to go," some in the crowd chanted. They also complained that there aren't enough African-American police officers and in the prosecutor's office.

Clayton police cars were inching along, trailing protesters as they snaked through the streets that surround the county police headquarters and courthouse.

Anthony Shahid said marchers are now going to St.Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch's office.

"I don't trust Bob McCulloch," Shahid shouted on the steps of the county police headquarters. "His father was killed by a black man."

- Kim Bell, 10:15 a.m.


From the same page, further down:

Officer's name won't be released today

St. Louis County and Ferguson police say they do not plan to release the name today of the officer who shot Michael Brown.

The name of a Ferguson officer has been circulating on social media with claims that he shot Brown. Ferguson police said that officer was not the officer involved in the shooting.

- Joel Currier 10:15 a.m.



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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I'm generally pissed off about this whole situation. On the one hand, you've got a situation which is being investigated (but apparently not quick enough for some people) in which, most reports that I've seen have suggested that the police officer was in the "right" but again, we don't know all the details so I can't really comment or form an opinion on that myself.


The most current explanation that I've found is that the eyewitness reports and the official police report are different on the topic of whether the shooting was justified.

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I'm sorry, but the people who are using this situation as reason to justify attacking & looting against other innocents are complete scum. I hope they get what they deserve, whether it be fines/criminal charges/community service...

Sure, organise & protest peacefully and let the system know that the community isn't going to quietly tolerate the possibility of a bad cop making a poor decision and killing a possibly innocent young man.
But to ruin others people's lives because you feel wronged and that everyone else has it coming to them, "because reasons?" Gakkers...

 
   
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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I'm generally pissed off about this whole situation. On the one hand, you've got a situation which is being investigated (but apparently not quick enough for some people) in which, most reports that I've seen have suggested that the police officer was in the "right" but again, we don't know all the details so I can't really comment or form an opinion on that myself.


On the other hand, you have a whole community of morons who think that this sort of gak is OK when things don't go their way. It's completely cool for their "own" people to kill, rape, and steal from each other, but if someone else, especially "The Man" does it, it's time to break gak and commit MORE crimes.



Don't worry. Al Sharpton is coming. That should calm down the situation.

Glad no one was hurt, especially with throwing rocks off the freeway. Evidently reports there had been fighting in a mall as well.


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Professional race baiting always calms me down.

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Why does EVERY shooting have to include race in it? Why do people automatically assume the cop is racist? or the department is racist?

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The whole situation sucks.

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Well, there's this thing called history.

It creates a sensitive spot for things like this.

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If you are upset with the government and/or the cops then take it out on them.

Burn the precinct to the ground or whatever.

When you loot and vandalize your own community you a no better than an untamed and panicked animal.

Then your cause loses its purpose and focus.

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jamesk1973 wrote:

Then your cause loses its purpose and focus.


The problem here is that it's not that simple. It's not a single group of people moving in unison for a single cause directed by a leader. It's a bunch of people moving in every direction, claiming it's for that cause, whether true or not. It's like if we judged Christianity based solely upon the actions of the WBC or the OWS crowd based upon what it blew up into when the crazies and rabble rousers got involved.

There's merit to showing your feelings on the matter. There's not merit to destroying your own community. It's not the same people doing both.

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even if, and its a big if right now, the shooting was 100% illegitimate, it does not legitimize the dangerous/illegal/harmful actions of the mob.

as it stands, it honestly looks like intentional race baiting on top of the previous instances of such.


 
   
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Four-year-old Aubrey Glover struggled with a broom even taller than her to sweep broken glass in the parking lot of a burned-out convenience store the morning after a riot in Ferguson.

Her mother, Erica Hampton, 31, woke up Aubrey and her brother, Jaden, 10, early that morning in their north St. Louis County home and said they were going to do some cleaning up.

"Tearing up buildings and trashing places is not the way to solve anything," she told them. They brought large white trash bags and brooms.

She called her sister, Dede Patteron, 29, who lives near the street where 18-year-old Michael Brown was shot and killed by a police officer on Saturday. Patterson's young children have slept in the bed with her the past few nights while they heard shouts from the crowds outside.

"I didn't even explain it to them," Patterson said. She wasn't sure what to tell them. "It was just too much." The QuikTrip is where her 9- and 7-year-old walk to for snacks. "My kids can't ever come to the store anymore."

"Let's go clean it up," her sister said to her. "Let's go."

Patterson agreed: "What I seen I didn't like. ... It's not going to bring him back."

There is an urgency to do something, anything, to make the terribleness of the past week less so. For Hampton, who will complete her master's degree in counseling in December, she wanted her children to see her picking up trash around the destroyed building.

"This what you do for your community," she told them.

There is anger here, not just about the shooting, but toward the vandals who destroyed their businesses in their neighborhood. Toward those who have changed the conversation from trying to find out what happened and seek justice to the criminal reaction of some.

"They are judging us by this," Patterson said, waving her arms around the parking lot.

Shamika Williams, 36, stood in the lot with two of her three daughters. They had seen Brown's body lying in the street in broad daylight when he was killed. Their mother has been at protests, wanting to add her voice to those calling for a change in the way residents are treated by law enforcement.

"I don't want them growing up getting mistreated. I don't want them growing up afraid of the cops," she said. "Why can't we protest? Why can't we grieve? Let us get this out of our system."

The stories she's heard and things she's seen make her glad she doesn't have a son. "If I had a boy, I'd be afraid to let him walk the street."

Beyond anger and grief, there is weariness in this area.

How many times have we seen this scene? How long will we march in streets?

"It seems like this has been going on a while," said Kenyana Shaw, 25, of St. Louis. "I can't imagine if this happened to my son."

A small child stood next to a young, black man speaking angrily to an older man in a parking lot. When I told him I wanted to speak to parents in the area, he became even more upset.

He shook his head and started walked away from me but kept talking. He said he knew what it was like to be Michael Brown. He knew how it felt to be stopped walking down these streets, automatically a suspect.

There was anguish in his voice: "They hate us! Their daddies, their granddaddies hated us and now they hate us!"

There is fear.

A woman who owns a hair braiding salon said she told her children to stay inside all day. She only came to check on her store and planned to lock up and stay home. Her older boys had been friends with Brown.

"I'm so scared," she said.

There were still parents pushing baby carriages down the debris-scattered street, past cracked and broken storefront windows, past graffiti that said "kill the police" and "RIP."

Randy Casson, 37, stood in a small group with his 11-year-old son, who partially hid behind his father's legs. His son's eyes were sad. His face somber.

Casson tried to explain to him that the people who rioted had not learned a better way to express themselves. That they were angry and lashing out in the wrong way.

"It seems like the police and the people are about to go to war," Randy, Jr. said.

I couldn't help my immediate response.

"Oh, baby, no. That's not going to happen. Why do you think that?"

"I heard there are tanks coming down."

This is not Gaza. This is not Iraq.

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Things are tense... sure...

But, this seems to be a panicky over-reaction:
BREAKING: FAA Issues Flight Warning Over FERGUSON, MO – Effective Immediately
Posted by Jim Hoft on Tuesday, August 12, 2014, 1:19 PM


BREAKING ALERT—–

FAA WARNING –

Airspace restriction over Ferguson, Missouri–
All commercial pilots in the country are getting this notice.
Notice to Airmen: Airspace restriction over Ferguson.

FYI: Ferguson, Missouri is located right next to Lambert International Airport in St. Louis, Missouri.

A local commercial pilot and former military aviator informed The Gateway Pundit that there is a no fly zone and this is extremely uncommon.


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 whembly wrote:
Things are tense... sure...

But, this seems to be a panicky over-reaction:
BREAKING: FAA Issues Flight Warning Over FERGUSON, MO – Effective Immediately

The police claimed that their choppers were fired at during the looting. This may be why they're restricting flights.

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Hmmph... okay... I guess I'd buy that.

Can handgun even hit choppers?

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Hmmph... okay... I guess I'd buy that.

Can handgun even hit choppers?

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 pretre wrote:
 whembly wrote:
Hmmph... okay... I guess I'd buy that.

Can handgun even hit choppers?

Sure. As can long guns.

Fair enough...

Just watching the local news and even seasoned pilots at Lambert never seen this before. Strange times...

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So when does DHS roll in with their assault tanks and black helicopters?

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So when does DHS roll in with their assault tanks and black helicopters?


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Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!

 Frazzled wrote:
So when does DHS roll in with their assault tanks and black helicopters?

There was a nasty rumor that the NG tanks were rolling in... with pictures in all.

Definitely not helping...


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The Anonymous hacker group threatens St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar on Tuesday afternoon.

They're threatening to release information on Belmar’s daughter if information on the policeman who shot Michael Brown is not released today.

Jon Belmar, if you dont release the officer's name, we're releasing your daughter's info. You have one hour. #Ferguson RT so he sees this.

— TheAnonMessage (@TheAnonMessage) August 12, 2014


Um... dudes. I think you'll see how stubborn Missourians can be.

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The fine reverend has made an appearance to help the situation:

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Ugh, between Looting and Anon being silly, that is not going to help.

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anything happens to minority = racist even if it was another minority doing it.

Reminds me of DWB nonsense, the cop can't see what you look like until they pull you over for doing something illegal in the first place.

Regardless of how this happened the people looting/rioting are just using it as an excuse to do stuff they want to do. Some guy stilling pringles and a tallboy of miller lite from a convenience store is not sending a message about what happened, or asking for an investigation. It's just an exploitive moron stealing things.
   
 
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