Jihadin wrote:
NYPD training

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
NYPD training

Not enough innocent bystanders getting shot

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/14/us/st-louis-officer-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

(CNN) -- Lab results are back in the case of a teenager who died in a police shooting in St. Louis last week, and they show gun residue on the clothing and body of Vonderrit Myers, authorities said Tuesday.
The residue was found on Myers' shirt, jeans and hand, according to a release from St. Louis police.
Its presence on his hand could mean that he discharged a firearm, was near a firearm when it went off or that Myers touched something with gun residue on it, police said. People shot at close range could also have residue deposited on their hands.
Myers was fatally shot Wednesday by a St. Louis officer, who was off-duty but wearing his uniform while moonlighting for a security company. Police have said the teenager fired a pistol three times at the officer.
The shooting sparked street protests, with residents pointing out similarities to the August killing of Michael Brown in nearby Ferguson, Missouri.
Myers and Brown were both 18 and black and killed by white police officers. However, unlike Myers, authorities say Brown was not armed.
Myers was struck by seven or eight bullets, St. Louis city Medical Examiner Dr. Michael Graham said last week.
Police say the officer fired his pistol 17 times.
"All but one gunshot wound were to the lower extremities," Graham said. "The one fatal wound was to the head."

Myers then ran from the officer, up an incline in the 4100 block of Shaw, and the officer saw what he believed to be a gun. He did not immediately fire because he wanted to be sure it was a firearm, police said. Myers turned and pointed a gun toward the officer and fired at least three shots, police said.

As Myers fired, the officer returned fire, police said. Myers continued to pull the trigger, but his gun apparently jammed.

It's unclear how many times Myers was hit. He was pronounced dead at the scene.

Authorities found the gun, which appeared to have jammed after firing at least three rounds, at the scene, police said. Three bullets that had been fired toward the officer were also recovered. One bullet was found in a vehicle behind the officer. Trajectories showed they had been fired downhill at the officer, police said.

Police initially identified the gun as a 9 mm Ruger. But a police source told the Post-Dispatch that the gun Myers fired at the officer was a 9 mm Smith & Wesson, which was bought at Cabela's in Hazelwood on May 5. It was then reported stolen Sept. 26 by a man from The Ville neighborhood. The owner told police that one of his sons stole the gun. When questioned, the son claimed the gun was stolen from him during a robbery that he did not report to police. It's unclear how Myers acquired the weapon, police said.

OgreChubbs wrote:
Is anyone else wondering how these people can sit on the street for what...14 weeks now and not go off to get a job....... Ok protest is fine but seriously a walmart whats next a curves club like they have alot of say.

Get a job and move on folks, Who the hell is giving them money for this......

oh p.s. can someone tell me why people are upset his body laid in the street that long, When the police where shot at when they went to the scene.

 Jihadin wrote:
Where is the weapon that was fired at the LEO? Did I miss something?

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

squidhills wrote:


I think its adorable when tired relics try to be relevant.

My guess is this guy is completely ignorant of the "real" Black Panther movement of the 60s and 70s, and so, as a "New Black Panther" isn't so much an adorable relic, as a dangerous, new ignorance masquerading and revelling in past "glories"

 whembly wrote:
The New Black Panther made an appearance at the protest by the Ferguson PD:



Here is the transcript of the masked New Black Panther to cops:

Panther - Y’all declared war when yall had killed Mike Brown!

Panther - Yall declared war!

Panther – Y’all declared war when you killed Vonderrit Myers!

Panther - This is a revolution. the revolution is the only solution.

Panther - No revolution with out your bloodshed!

Panther - This IS the Gray State. This is the Gray State!

Panther - You kill us, we kill you.

By-stander - Praise Jesus!

Panther - NO JESUS! PRAISE ALLAH! PRAISE TO ALLAH!

Panther - Only praise to Allah king of king and lord of lords. We will not fall.

Panther - Save yourself (pointing at cops).

Isn't that cute?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 whembly wrote:
The New Black Panther made an appearance at the protest by the Ferguson PD:



Here is the transcript of the masked New Black Panther to cops:

Panther - Y’all declared war when yall had killed Mike Brown!

Panther - Yall declared war!

Panther – Y’all declared war when you killed Vonderrit Myers!

Panther - This is a revolution. the revolution is the only solution.

Panther - No revolution with out your bloodshed!

Panther - This IS the Gray State. This is the Gray State!

Panther - You kill us, we kill you.

By-stander - Praise Jesus!

Panther - NO JESUS! PRAISE ALLAH! PRAISE TO ALLAH!

Panther - Only praise to Allah king of king and lord of lords. We will not fall.

Panther - Save yourself (pointing at cops).

Isn't that cute?

praise to Allah? Does this mean we can get the black panthers labeled as terrorists

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Indeed, as being a Muslim in a mask calling for murder and war in the streets== Terrorist

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Perhaps, but the implication is that it's being a muslim that makes him a terrorist.

Which is frankly about as ignorant as to be expected considering the source.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
praise to Allah? Does this mean we can get the black panthers labeled as terrorists

CLAYTON • A stream of eyewitnesses has been testifying in secret before a grand jury considering whether to indict police officer Darren Wilson in the fatal shooting of Michael Brown near the Canfield Green apartments in Ferguson.

One Canfield resident — who said he saw the killing of Brown from start to finish and talked to the grand jury recently — has given the Post-Dispatch an account with some key differences from previous public statements from other witnesses.

Among the recollections of the witness, who agreed to an interview on the condition that his name not be used, were:

• After an initial scuffle in the car, the officer did not fire until Brown turned back toward him.

• Brown put his arms out to his sides but never raised his hands high.

• Brown staggered toward Wilson despite commands to stop.

• The two were about 20 to 25 feet apart when the last shots were fired.

• He would not detail what he had told the grand jury but said the members seemed fair and asked a lot of questions.

Witnesses have given differing accounts since the white officer killed the unarmed black teen Aug. 9, triggering protests, riots and national attention.

READ POST-DISPATCH COVERAGE OF THE CASE

Some have said that Wilson first fired as Brown ran away from him, then pumped off more shots after Brown turned around.

Some have said Brown raised his arms high in surrender, giving rise to a common protesters’ chant of “Hands up, don’t shoot” while mimicking the move. But this witness said Brown never put his hands straight up, but held his elbows straight out from his torso, with palms turned up in a sort of gesture of disbelief.

Perhaps the most widely quoted witness has been Brown’s companion that day, Dorian Johnson, who said Wilson had grabbed Brown by the throat through the open window of the officer’s police SUV. Johnson, 22, also said Wilson shot Brown at the car, then ran after Brown, who put his hands up in surrender, and then shot him again.

This latest witness, who is black, told the Post-Dispatch that Johnson took off running toward West Florissant Avenue after the first shot went off inside Wilson’s police SUV.

HONEST ACCOUNTS CAN DIFFER

Differences in witness accounts are no surprise to researchers, who even have a name for it: the Rashomon effect. It’s derived from the title of a Japanese movie in which four witnesses’ accounts of a rape and murder differ notably.
“That’s why anyone who wants to put complete faith in his statements is foolish and anyone who wants to completely discount what Dorian Johnson saw, is foolish,” said David Klinger, a University of Missouri-St. Louis criminologist. “It is entirely possible that multiple witnesses will recall different things. That’s why it’s critical to wait and see what all the evidence shows.”

Klinger, who has testified as an expert witness in numerous police shooting cases, recalls one in Houston in which one eyewitness said she saw an officer handcuff a teen, hogtie him and shoot him. Another witness, standing in nearly the same place, testified that the officer handcuffed the teen after he was shot, but the witness did not see him shot again or hogtied. “They’re not lying; they just have different stories,” Klinger said.

WITNESS SAW ENCOUNTER FROM START TO FINISH

In the latest account of the Brown killing, the witness said he saw Wilson’s police SUV stop near Brown and Johnson as they were walking in the middle of Canfield Drive. He said he heard Wilson say something to them, but not what. He said Wilson drove past them, then backed up.
The witness said he had been on the right side of the police SUV and did not have a clear view of what happened on the opposite, driver’s side. “There was a tussle going on,” he said, adding that he believes he saw Wilson’s hat fly off.

He then heard a shot and saw Brown run, followed by Wilson. He said Wilson aimed his handgun at Brown and yelled: “Stop! Stop! Stop!”

The witness said Brown did stop, mumbled something he could not clearly hear and took a step toward Wilson.

“When he stepped foot on that street, the officer told him to stop again, and he fired three shots,” the witness recalled. “When he (Brown) got hit, he staggered like, ‘Oh,’ and his body moved. Then he looked down.

“His hands were up like this (he gestures with arms out to the side and palms upward), and he was looking at the officer and was coming toward him trying to keep his feet and stand up. The officer took a few steps back and yelled, ‘Stop,’ again, and Michael was trying to stay on his feet.

“He was 20 to 25 feet from officer, and after he started staggering, he (Wilson) let off four more rounds. As he was firing those last rounds, Michael was on his way down. We were thinking, ‘Oh my God, oh my God, brother, stop, stop.’ He was already on his way down when he fired those last shots.”

The witness said Wilson didn’t have to kill Brown. “It went from zero to 100 like that, in the blink of an eye. ... What transpired to us, in my eyesight, was murder. Down outright murder.”

Ferguson police asked St. Louis County police to investigate the shooting. The county police have released no details about the physical evidence.

The Post-Dispatch confirmed that the witness did tell his story to police investigators. He said he testified about two weeks ago for about an hour to the St. Louis County grand jury deciding whether to indict Wilson.

Brown’s family hired Dr. Michael Baden, a nationally renowned forensic pathologist, to conduct a private autopsy after the one performed by the St. Louis County medical examiner. Baden said Brown was shot six times from the front, including once in the top of the head.

“It can be because he’s giving up, or because he’s charging forward at the officer,” Baden said.

The official autopsy has not been released.

Two men from outside the area who were working outside the apartment complex previously told the Post-Dispatch that Wilson chased Brown on foot away from the car after the initial gunshot, and fired at least one more shot in Brown’s direction as he fled. They said that Brown stopped, turned around and put his hands up, and that the officer killed him in a barrage of gunfire.

The men also said they never heard the officer say anything to Brown before opening fire, and that they heard Brown scream, “OK! OK! OK! OK! OK! OK!”

The man who spoke recently to the newspaper said those witnesses were about the same distance from the action as he was.

The witness also said he previously had seen Brown walking around Canfield Green, near the shooting scene, several times and knew that a friend of Brown’s lived nearby. He said that he was surprised by a video showing Brown stealing from a convenience store minutes before he was killed and shoving a store clerk who tried to stop him.

“Everyone has a little dark secret, but all I know is that anytime I’ve been in his presence, he was very cordial,” the witness said. “He was one of the few in all the years I’ve lived out here with all these young guys who ever addressed me as ‘sir’ and asked me how I was doing instead of, ‘What’s up, dog?’ ”

Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson, who fatally shot Michael Brown while on patrol in August, told investigators he feared for his life and was pinned in his vehicle during a struggle over his gun, according to a New York Times report.
The report posted on the newspaper’s website Friday night credits unnamed “government officials briefed on the federal civil rights investigation into the matter” who also say the evidence so far did not support civil rights charges against Wilson.

Wilson told authorities Brown reached for the officer’s gun during a struggle inside his police SUV, the Times reported. The gun fired twice inside the car. One bullet hit Brown in the arm and the other bullet missed him, the Times reported. Brown was unarmed.

Brown’s blood was found on Wilson’s gun, uniform, and the inside of the vehicle door, the Times reported. Wilson said Brown “punched and scratched him repeatedly, leaving swelling on his face and cuts on his neck,” the Times said.

This testimony is the first public account from Wilson, who testified before the grand jury in September. But it doesn’t touch on why Wilson fired at Brown several times after he got out of his vehicle, the Times points out.

Brown’s attorney, Anthony Gray, said that the new details won’t make much of a difference because they are from early in the confrontation.

“When you’re raising your arms to surrender, it hits a reset button,” says Gray, referring to witness accounts that Brown, 18, raised his hands after the struggle at the car.

Gray said he doesn’t dispute that something happened between Brown and Wilson at the police vehicle. But he wonders why Wilson would go after Brown and perceive him as a threat outside the vehicle, even knowing that Brown had been shot.

“His actions contradict the presence of fear,” Gray said. “You’re fearful, a guy’s running, but you’re going to get out and chase him? How many people do you know chase something that you’re fearful of?”

The St. Louis County grand jury has been meeting on the case since Aug. 20. St. Louis County prosecutor Robert McCulloch has said he expects a decision by mid to late November.

"Brown's attorney said that the new details won't make much of a difference"

 cincydooley wrote:

"Brown's attorney said that the new details won't make much of a difference"

Is this guy for real?

That's really fething rich.

 d-usa wrote:
This is really nothing new, we all already know the "there was a struggle in the car" story, and it does in fact have nothing to do with shooting him later away from the car.

 d-usa wrote:
Everything I have read said there was a struggle in the car. There are different accounts about who started it, but we knew about it. "The gun went off in the car" was also part of the very early dialogue.

But you don't get to shoot someone later because of it.

 d-usa wrote:


But you don't get to shoot someone later because of it.

 Ouze wrote:
That hasn't yet been established. In fact, there is no new information here, and there is still in my opinion inadequate information to know what happened and hence to form an opinion one way or the other.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
So far, all we know he did was get in an argument and push a shopkeeper because he didn't have enough money.

Relapse wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
So far, all we know he did was get in an argument and push a shopkeeper because he didn't have enough money.

Looks like some revisionism or at the least, playing down of the incident on your part. From what the video shows, he shoved the much smaller, older person out of the way and then advanced on him in a threatening manner just before he took stuff out of the store without paying. I believe that's called a "strong arm robbery".

Video of the incident:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n2z5-H8NSGA