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Not sure I like the idea of Slaan using the Lore of Undeath.
Sounds like the whole demon lore thing in Wh40k.

Granted, I don't have to use it, but the very existence that that option bothers me.

Last time I saw Nagahs was in second or thirt edition... for now, does it will be THE pain in the ass or is look more impressive on paper than on table?

Equipped with the sword, Nagash is literally epic. I love everything shown, except for manfred mount who's a fail in my book. It's way too cartoonish.

i like that they are really pushing the limit with the capabilities of these floating plastic kits...
the Vampire Coven was beautiful, and this all turns it up to 11...

i see why some people don't like the style, but saying they look too much like toys is a bit silly...
they are freaking toys!!!
as far as i'm concerned, models are toys...

i loved toys as a kid, and now i love minis..
He-Man was cool when I was a kid...
minis are even cooler, because i get to put the paintjob on them, but i wouldn't mind painting a badass He-Man on Battlecat sculpt...

hell, most of you even PLAY a game with your minis...
doesn't that kinda make them toys???

cheers
jah

So Necromancy is going to be the Daemonology equivalent. With only 7 cards I guess they aren't going the Sanctic/Malefic route this time.

Hmm Nagash can be built with either his sword or his staff with optional book. Neat.

I too am a little apprehensive about Manfred et la. Give them time and they may grow on me but to be honest I think they may make better Necron conversions fodder as people have already said. Not very Warhammer but no doubt they are powerful. Seems like we have an answer to what is in Nagash's Legion. As suspected it is a real mix of Vampires and Tomb King themes. Pretty cool really.

Isn't Necromancy another type of lore? One that vampires have?
In fact, now that I think of it, there are now going to be four different lores associated with death -

Lore of Death, Lore of Vampires, Lore of Nehekara and Lore of Undeath.

Which feels a bit bloated to me.
That said, I do like how Nagash has access to all of these lores; the great Necromancer should know them, and it gives the impression that all of these lores were derived from him.

Expensive is not the word.

$105 for the model and $85 for the rule book - am I missing something?

Those prices are just really really dumb. $190 just for the HQ and the rules. Why? What am I missing?

Only 750 copies of the LE.. they going lower and lower, a new trend?

You're not missing anything it's expensive. He is 1000 points though, and he looks massive.

ImAGeek wrote:
You're not missing anything it's expensive. He is 1000 points though, and he looks massive.

Yeah, turns out ghosts are the necromantic version of high heels

I dont get why people say that the morghast and the beast dont look like they belong in warhammer. In the 5th edition undead book, it was written that Nagash and Nagashizzar was protected by some huge undead constructs.

Remember, he's 1000 pts meaning a 4000pt game (!) minimum to field him. That's a lot, unless this also sees an unbound release. Also, $85 for an army book or is a supplement? Both?

All it says that it's a two volume set.
I'm guessing that one book will be full of missions and scenarios, a la lustria/storm of magic, and the other will be full of rules, lore and pretty pictures. Mostly the latter.

Yeah...Nagash is a bit rich for my interest in WHFB atm. I must say that Spirit Host is a vast improvement over the current. Yes, I know that's not really a bar to clear, but the model actually looks appropriate and interesting. Not sure I'll pick any of this up, but some decent efforts in there.

Interested to see what the new story / fluff is - is Mannfred under the control of Nagash etc

Some great looking models there

 fullheadofhair wrote:
Expensive is not the word.

$105 for the model and $85 for the rule book - am I missing something?

Those prices are just really really dumb. $190 just for the HQ and the rules. Why? What am I missing?

Your missing the fact that the Nagash Book isn't just his rules, by the looks of it, it is a weird mix up of an Army Book (Legions of Undeath) and a Campaign book (like Blood in the Bad Lands). So firstly, you are getting an Army Book for $40 then you are getting a Campaign Book, still expensive sure, but it will depend to me on if the fluff/artwork is up to scratch. It is NOT a new rule book, therefor you don't have to buy it, you only buy it if you want to run Nagash and his fellows in whatever marvelous storyline GW has come up with in the new book to make you buy there new models. Of course, you don't even have to buy the book, as you can quite plainly see his rules are in the White Dwarf, so just use that and stick him in your 4000pt Vampire Counts army...

While i don't play Vampire Counts, i am still very excited for this release. LOTS of new and lovely sculpts followed by what i hope to be more great fluff and great artwork. Either you buy the stuff or you don't, but i doubt you can disagree with me when i say this is a step forward in fantasy, if only as it shows they *can* make a nice fantasy sculpt if they try, a fact that has had little evidence lately.

My meta will never ever, ever see a 4000 point game. 1500 - 1850 is the most I have actually seen in 3 years. It kind of sucks that they are pushing such high point levels..

I am really hoping I can host a campaign and possible have Good Guy/ Bad Guy games and pair people together for larger co-op games.

Nagash is too awesome to not see on the battlefield.

There must be more to this. 4,000 does seem a bit off.

I'm more interested in the other models than Nagash tbh, I doubt I'm ever gonna play 4000 points. Would be cool if the Undead Legions lets me combine my small VC and TK forces into one playable force...


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I'm more interested in the other models than Nagash tbh, I doubt I'm ever gonna play 4000 points. Would be cool if the Undead Legions lets me combine my small VC and TK forces into one playable force...

 primalexile wrote:
My meta will never ever, ever see a 4000 point game. 1500 - 1850 is the most I have actually seen in 3 years. It kind of sucks that they are pushing such high point levels..

I am really hoping I can host a campaign and possible have Good Guy/ Bad Guy games and pair people together for larger co-op games.

Nagash is too awesome to not see on the battlefield.

Spend more money. The god of undeath demand a sacrifice.

Not a Fantasy player, but the flying skull pony might be the first GW kit that makes it on to my "just to paint" list in quite some time.

Even with ALL OF THE SKULLS!!!!1!!!

Not really.
They probably made Nagash that expensive to make sure he can only be used in large games.

After all, why should the lord of necromancy take part in a small brawl?

That's something that's always irked me in wh40k; why would Marneus Calgar bother with what effectively measures up to a minor skirmish?

 Col. Tartleton wrote:

 primalexile wrote:
My meta will never ever, ever see a 4000 point game. 1500 - 1850 is the most I have actually seen in 3 years. It kind of sucks that they are pushing such high point levels..

I am really hoping I can host a campaign and possible have Good Guy/ Bad Guy games and pair people together for larger co-op games.

Nagash is too awesome to not see on the battlefield.

Spend more money. The god of undeath demand a sacrifice.

Hahaha... If I am spending money on hordes of resurrected undead it will not be Games-Workshop that gets those profits.... Thank You, Mantic Games for making Undead!

are there pictures of new plastic spirit hosts, arkhan, mannfred/whatever else? new nagash looks awesome. it seems the other stuff exists but i cant find it? help?

 TheKbob wrote:
Why a bone beard and a horse made of skulls? The style strikes me as very WoW or Final Fantasy for some reason. The skull horse mounts are cool but Nagash needs a head swap badly. Also, are there fluff reasons for floating books?

go. Read the lexicanum. 9 books of nagash

Literally the best character GW background department have ever produced, and the only god-damned character I fanboy over. Literally. THE ONLY fething ONE!

I never quite got that. One of the mightiest wizards ever. Needs a book because he can't remember his spells. Legit.

raoiley wrote:
are there pictures of new plastic spirit hosts, arkhan, mannfred/whatever else? new nagash looks awesome. it seems the other stuff exists but i cant find it? help?

They are on page 13, hidden by a spoiler tag.

 Sigvatr wrote:
I never quite got that. One of the mightiest wizards ever. Needs a book because he can't remember his spells. Legit.

Not exactly. think of the ring of power from LoTR. Nagash has bound part of his power in the books, hence they A) are still around after several thousand years) and B) they allow him to reconstruct himself because a part of his soul is still in the corporeal world.

"Nagash penned all of his knowledge and findings within several tomes made of human flesh and flourished with human blood. These works became the nine books of Nagash"-Lexicanum




Cmon, human flesh tomes trope?