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I assume the campaign material allows you to break the standard army formation rules so you can field Nagash in smaller armies, after all he can make his own troops. Otherwise, jeeze, a 4000 point undead army in which Nagash can raise triple the points if undead? Hope you've got a lot of skellies.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
I assume the campaign material allows you to break the standard army formation rules so you can field Nagash in smaller armies, after all he can make his own troops. Otherwise, jeeze, a 4000 point undead army in which Nagash can raise triple the points if undead? Hope you've got a lot of skellies.

I read on Warseer that in the campaign you will be able to take 50% lords. So that would solve the problem, although I really hope the 'new army book' (if that's what it is) will include this built-in so you can do it outside the campaign as well.
P.S. Sorry about my username.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
I assume the campaign material allows you to break the standard army formation rules so you can field Nagash in smaller armies, after all he can make his own troops. Otherwise, jeeze, a 4000 point undead army in which Nagash can raise triple the points if undead? Hope you've got a lot of skellies.

Mantic. and wargames factory if you like nekkid bones.

Does anyone know what those creatures are the vampires are riding? Have I missed that somewhere? People keep calling them horses. They look about as far from horses as I can imagine. Arkhan's could be a Sphynxs in flight, but the first one looks more like a Magma dragon (I know it's not that obviously). Are we getting three new monstrous mounts? If they end up being Abyssal Terrors I will cry.

justtoseenagashpics wrote:
Does anyone know what those creatures are the vampires are riding? Have I missed that somewhere? People keep calling them horses. They look about as far from horses as I can imagine. Arkhan's could be a Sphynxs in flight, but the first one looks more like a Magma dragon (I know it's not that obviously). Are we getting three new monstrous mounts? If they end up being Abyssal Terrors I will cry.

Arkhan's could be the Manticore he traditionally has a chariot made from.

Mannfredd's is, I dunno a robo bat...?

justtoseenagashpics wrote:
Does anyone know what those creatures are the vampires are riding? Have I missed that somewhere? People keep calling them horses. They look about as far from horses as I can imagine. Arkhan's could be a Sphynxs in flight, but the first one looks more like a Magma dragon (I know it's not that obviously). Are we getting three new monstrous mounts? If they end up being Abyssal Terrors I will cry.

No idea yet, but I'm thinking some form of super-nightmare. although Arkhan traditionally rides a manticore. And I would like to see nagash with a version riding something monolithic just for funsies.

 lord marcus wrote:

justtoseenagashpics wrote:
Does anyone know what those creatures are the vampires are riding? Have I missed that somewhere? People keep calling them horses. They look about as far from horses as I can imagine. Arkhan's could be a Sphynxs in flight, but the first one looks more like a Magma dragon (I know it's not that obviously). Are we getting three new monstrous mounts? If they end up being Abyssal Terrors I will cry.

No idea yet, but I'm thinking some form of super-nightmare. although Arkhan traditionally rides a manticore. And I would like to see nagash with a version riding something monolithic just for funsies.

Arkhan traditionally rides a chariot made from a Manticore.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:

justtoseenagashpics wrote:
Does anyone know what those creatures are the vampires are riding? Have I missed that somewhere? People keep calling them horses. They look about as far from horses as I can imagine. Arkhan's could be a Sphynxs in flight, but the first one looks more like a Magma dragon (I know it's not that obviously). Are we getting three new monstrous mounts? If they end up being Abyssal Terrors I will cry.

No idea yet, but I'm thinking some form of super-nightmare. although Arkhan traditionally rides a manticore. And I would like to see nagash with a version riding something monolithic just for funsies.

Arkhan traditionally rides a chariot made from a Manticore.

Well, i knew there was a Manticore in there somewhere. Just had dinner, so my mind is kind of clouded. lol.

Arkhan the Black was one of my favorite characters in the old Undead book, can't wait to see the update for him.

It all looks very 'Saturday Morning Cartoon,' really.

I like the new spirit hosts, but can't help but notice that the increasingly smooth/flowing designs coming out of GW are getting increasingly more time consuming to paint with their larger surfaces. That and I can only hope they come with more than 1 standard pose in a blister.

 Ehsteve wrote:
I like the new spirit hosts, but can't help but notice that the increasingly smooth/flowing designs coming out of GW are getting increasingly more time consuming to paint with their larger surfaces. That and I can only hope they come with more than 1 standard pose in a blister.

The ghosty/spirit stuff should be fairly easy to paint. I think Stockholm Warpaint had some Ethereal fig primed white and washed with Nihilakh Oxide when they reviewed the new technical paints. For as easy as it sounded, it actually looked pretty good.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
I never quite got that. One of the mightiest wizards ever. Needs a book because he can't remember his spells. Legit.

Not exactly. think of the ring of power from LoTR. Nagash has bound part of his power in the books, hence they A) are still around after several thousand years) and B) they allow him to reconstruct himself because a part of his soul is still in the corporeal world.

So..basically...Nagash is Voldemort?

Actually, Voldemort would be Nagash, since Nagash came out a few years before Voldemort. Both, however, are based off the one true Dark Lord, Sauron!

 Ehsteve wrote:
I like the new spirit hosts, but can't help but notice that the increasingly smooth/flowing designs coming out of GW are getting increasingly more time consuming to paint with their larger surfaces. That and I can only hope they come with more than 1 standard pose in a blister.

The pricetag($26 USD) is pretty much the same as Nurglings...and the Spirit Hosts are plastic.
So I think you'll be getting 3 Hosts/box.

In regards to the painting thing:
The Spirit Hosts are going to be amazing for airbrushing. I have a nice "Duck Egg Green" that I plan on using for the basecoating and some tricks up my sleeve to make 'em look ghosty.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ehsteve wrote:
I like the new spirit hosts, but can't help but notice that the increasingly smooth/flowing designs coming out of GW are getting increasingly more time consuming to paint with their larger surfaces. That and I can only hope they come with more than 1 standard pose in a blister.

The pricetag($26 USD) is pretty much the same as Nurglings...and the Spirit Hosts are plastic.
So I think you'll be getting 3 Hosts/box.

In regards to the painting thing:
The Spirit Hosts are going to be amazing for airbrushing. I have a nice "Duck Egg Green" that I plan on using for the basecoating and some tricks up my sleeve to make 'em look ghosty.

Follow the guide of "buypainted" over on YouTube for his Coven Throne. I did it for my own coven throne and it turned out great. Making the ghosts can take one, maybe two afternoons, at most.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ehsteve wrote:
I like the new spirit hosts, but can't help but notice that the increasingly smooth/flowing designs coming out of GW are getting increasingly more time consuming to paint with their larger surfaces. That and I can only hope they come with more than 1 standard pose in a blister.

The pricetag($26 USD) is pretty much the same as Nurglings...and the Spirit Hosts are plastic.
So I think you'll be getting 3 Hosts/box.

In regards to the painting thing:
The Spirit Hosts are going to be amazing for airbrushing. I have a nice "Duck Egg Green" that I plan on using for the basecoating and some tricks up my sleeve to make 'em look ghosty.

Which is fine if you have the space and patience to set up, mix, then run down and clean a full airbrush set on a regular basis. I prefer brush pastel blending, which can be difficult on models like this where you don't have anything to break up the surface into a more manageable area.

I still think it looks cool, but another thing is how much larger/more spindly they will be than the previous model set. At the very least they will make cool unit fillers for the newer VC units (skeletons, grave guard etc).

Holy crap those are some SEXY models

So do we know what Army he can join or is he is own new army/dataslate

 Lord_Mortis wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
I never quite got that. One of the mightiest wizards ever. Needs a book because he can't remember his spells. Legit.

Not exactly. think of the ring of power from LoTR. Nagash has bound part of his power in the books, hence they A) are still around after several thousand years) and B) they allow him to reconstruct himself because a part of his soul is still in the corporeal world.

So..basically...Nagash is Voldemort?

Actually, Voldemort would be Nagash, since Nagash came out a few years before Voldemort. Both, however, are based off the one true Dark Lord, Sauron!

who was himself a pansy compared to Morgoth.

WOW...do I really hate the new models....they look like a cross between World of Warcraft and Warmachine....both of which I cannot stand....add in there some Final Fantasy 8....and the image is complete....ugh....

Oh well...looks like I will be making a LOT of scratchbuilt models...

 lord marcus wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
"Nagash penned all of his knowledge and findings within several tomes made of human flesh and flourished with human blood. These works became the nine books of Nagash"-Lexicanum

Spoiler:

Cmon, human flesh tomes trope?

That has been around nigh on 20 years.

Don't worry about it. Just TheKlot finding something else to complain about.

not worrying. Like i said, Nagash is the only character in WHFB that I Fanboy over.

The Necronomicon has been bound in human flesh a little longer

I like some of those miniatures, but why are they all hovering above the ground? is it an ability or a design choice?

 Fafnir wrote:
It all looks very 'Saturday Morning Cartoon,' really.

I have no idea how that thing will survive a trip to the FLGS personally, but if by cartoony you think it is "ugly" I think you need your eyes tested, it is one of the most fantastic looking minis I have ever seen.

It doesn't even look like a mini, it looks like a painting or a 3D render or something.

I mean, I wont be buying one, and I suppose it does look a little WOW-eque, plus I don't play fantasy and have no use for it, but the same as those fething tree things they released a month or two ago, I think they are really pushing the bar when it comes to miniature design, dont you find the whole.. floaty ghost like thing really an impressive standard in miniature design?

They certainly don't look like tiny pieces of plastic to me, and I think thats the most impressive thing.

So Neferata isn't in the release as originally reported? Disappointing.

Ive now gone from cautious to cautiously optimistic to restless and wondering.

I want a copy of those cards and this Book slip they are talking about, even against my better judgement. what will this mean in the long term for Fantasy? nothing, or a "new" undead faction for the long term? exactly what kind of costs are these new spells, and what can they really do? someone send in Clan Eshin and figure this out... Necromantic grey seers are a go..?

(edit)-ooh, lucky number 13!

So I did a but of looking around at the details. The dual book format, with one fluff book that alters the Fantasy background and a combined Undead Legion army book, sounds utterly fantastic and something that would drag me back into Fantasy. I've got nearly 3000pts of Vampire Counts begging to see the table. Nagash as a model is astoundingly nice, absolutely love it. His rules sound as hilariously over the top as they should be.

Then I saw the prices. Looks like the books will hit the $115 price point here, probably more. Nagash will be nearly $150 looking at price bands and exchange rates.

What the actual feth? I know I've been out of the GW hhhobby for a while now, but are these the prices they're charging now for books and large kits?

That rider's staff is so cool. I want to use it for a Staff of Light!

I love everything in this release. I just recently bought like 200 dollars worth of Dark Elves and now I regret not choosing VC.

so it actually is a Undead Legion army book? ooooooo how many pages i wonder it is... i hope it is a proper army book.

yeaaah. i wasn't entirely wild about the new nagash model Loki (heck, im already thinking of things id do it to replace it with a ghostly sorceress or something (this would be the time for a Yuyuko themed undead army, if i wanted one).. but the price is... honestly rich for my blood, considering its base size. its an interesting model, and the whole "held aloft by souls" thing is cool, but just like the Neferata, Mannfred (is it?) and Arkhan models, im worried about transporting the things safely if i ever did get them, price aside.

and YUP. thats about right. heck, im surprised they are ONLY charging 85 USD for the non-LE momentous occasion of Nagash (UGH). at least you can feebly write off the cost as both some kind of campaign book, / fluff and proper army book (if it even is...). and the prices sort of line up with recent hardbacks. the model of Nagash though? I really can't justify that for myself, even moreso than the rest.

They look like Yu Gi Oh characters to me...exept for the decent spirit swarm.

Wow... There are some seriously freaking cool models in this release.