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Alcadizzar is pretty dead, at least that is what I'm getting the impression of from "The Blood of Nagash" trilogy("Neferata", "Master of the Dead", and the forthcoming "Blood Dragon").
Ghaz wrote: Would they do away with an army that just got an updated army book and new models this year?
Yes.
Following the CHS case, GW management has been in a tailspin trying to figure out how to make everything into an unassailable wall. The more generic the army - the more likely it is to get axed. Haven't bothered to press for details, but that is where they have been saying they are going.
As a result, there are more silly changes coming to 40K and although we hadn't talked about it (WFB hasn't had a pulse anywhere I have been for 10 years now) I would not be surprised if they tried to move WFB away from the generic fantasy that it is into something that is completely different from what it is now (though, to be honest - there really isn't much new ground for fantasy settings...).
So basically Tomb Kings are perfectly safe, and it's Vampire Counts that are in danger of the axe?
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Seriously doubt it since the Vamps are getting all these new models.
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Medium of Death wrote: Wasn't part of the TK fluff that they only had independence because Nagash was no longer around? I'd imagine with his return they'd all fall in line, willingly or otherwise.
Nagash staged a comeback at least one, if not twice since TK's awakening. That didn't seem to matter much to them as far as I know.
That Black Library preview has a snippet of Gilles Le Breton taking off the mantle of the Green Knight and reclaiming his throne! There are so many little tidbits of what's to come in the first few pages, it's crazy.
That's insane. Big bad frog man. the uniter of Bretonnia, and of course Nagash himself!
Who else will be making a come back? Anyone got money on Sigmar? How about Aenerion? Is Alcidizzar confirmed dead, or is he MiA? Because I would love a way to make TK NOT auto-Nagash followers.
Hmmm... The dwarven ancestor Grimnir, who went through the chaos gates? The king and queen of Athel Loren? The person who built the bell tower in skavenblight ( or the complete council of 13)? Daemon prince Azazel? There's no shortage of epic characters to draw on.
I have to agree with 'Da Boss', Mazamundi would make a cool and really epic plastic kit. He's been in the last two army books, and has never gotten an official model. Another character I could see them doing (again) would be Egrimm Von Horstmann on his chaos two headed dragon. He'd make a cool dual kit with gaalrauch, who's looking a bit dated (and small) compared to other dragons. Hopefully it would be a triple kit with a generic chaos lord/sorcerer too. I've always liked the FW chaos dragon, but he doesn't have a good place to mount someone (plus, they don't sell him anymore).
I think Nagash and his cohorts look great, and I can't wait to see what people do with them. Do we know if all the models like manfred and arkhan are all the same kit? They're all riding somewhat similar creatures. I would love it if Warhammer forge chipped in with some goodies for this, but they can't seem to get unfocused from the Horus heresy.
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Ghaz wrote: Would they do away with an army that just got an updated army book and new models this year?
Yes.
Following the CHS case, GW management has been in a tailspin trying to figure out how to make everything into an unassailable wall. The more generic the army - the more likely it is to get axed. Haven't bothered to press for details, but that is where they have been saying they are going.
As a result, there are more silly changes coming to 40K and although we hadn't talked about it (WFB hasn't had a pulse anywhere I have been for 10 years now) I would not be surprised if they tried to move WFB away from the generic fantasy that it is into something that is completely different from what it is now (though, to be honest - there really isn't much new ground for fantasy settings...).
So basically Tomb Kings are perfectly safe, and it's Vampire Counts that are in danger of the axe?
I wouldn't say that. Neither of them are particularly original.
The tomb king concept goes back 3000+ years to the kamarupa and the various burial spells found on Egyptian tombs.
Honestly - I couldn't even make an educated guess as to what it is that GW management would think would be unique enough to be unassailable. Based off from what we have seen so far though (IG for example) - they seem to have completely missed the boat and they may end up just renaming everything without actually managing to grasp that fair use of their marks makes what ever name is chosen irrelevant.
Kanluwen wrote: Alcadizzar is pretty dead, at least that is what I'm getting the impression of from "The Blood of Nagash" trilogy("Neferata", "Master of the Dead", and the forthcoming "Blood Dragon").
Indeed - its more likely to be Settra vs Nagash, but then I am also hoping the fluff in those novels is not trampled on..................
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Not gonna lie. This is the first time I've been excited about fantasy in like 4 years. I'm definitely buying the book/fluff tome. I'll just have to see how I feel about anything else after that
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Following a few other peoples lead, but if you haven't read the extract on Black Library, you need to. It's only about 65 pages, but it's AMAZING!! If you want to read it yourself, don't click below!
Spoiler:
In the first chapter, a 'scryer' (Mannfred) is looking around the world at the things going on. It doesn't look good. Louen Leoncouer is dead, killed by his illegitimate son (with the help of Arkhan). The son is in turned killed by Gilles de Breton, who was the Green Knight. Archon has a MASSIVE demon legion at the North Pole, and 4 exalted (their word, not mine!) demons kneel before him in homage. It's specifically said that this is the kind of Demon army that assailed the world when it was young. Several cities in Lustria are burning. As is Middenhiem. Tilea is overrun by Skaven (it's gone) who seem to have finally united. Ulthuan is fighting demons while Naggaroth is fighting WoC. The Empire is in bad straights, with Volkmar the Grim's army (who went to purge Sylvania) being completely destroyed and the Grand Theogenist himself has been captured. Valten is back, and the twin tailed comet is in the sky again. The Tomb Kings are marching on Araby. Gotrek (he's the slayer, right?) is specifically called a 'doomseeker' as he carves up a path through some WoC in Kislev, and Felix may be dead (the human companion? Do I have that right?). Kislev is pretty much gone, but the Ice Queen is still alive and is fighting WoC in hit-and-run battles throughout her empire. Beastmen have attacked Athel Loren, and the Oak of Ages is dead.
I think that hits the highlights.
So from that, I can sincerely hope we will see (warning! Wishlisting to follow!):
-A Bretonnia reboot with Gilles as the king
-New plastic Greater Demon models (greater demons/ exalted demons dual kit--> this one is a no brainer and GW would be stupid NOT to)
-Doomseekers making a comeback (my own personal geek dream. I'd start dwarfs for affordable slayer and doomseeker models)
-an Ice Queen/ kislev comback
I need a game or movie showcasing The End Times. Its getting too badass, cant wait to read more.
On a slight fluff note, can Nagash control a vampire the way a necromancer would a skeleton? Or are the majority of vampires simply joining Nagash because its Nagash?
Anymore info on which races/armies are getting squated?
Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis
godswildcard wrote: Following a few other peoples lead, but if you haven't read the extract on Black Library, you need to. It's only about 65 pages, but it's AMAZING!! If you want to read it yourself, don't click below!
Spoiler:
In the first chapter, a 'scryer' (Mannfred) is looking around the world at the things going on. It doesn't look good. Louen Leoncouer is dead, killed by his illegitimate son (with the help of Arkhan). The son is in turned killed by Gilles de Breton, who was the Green Knight. Archon has a MASSIVE demon legion at the North Pole, and 4 exalted (their word, not mine!) demons kneel before him in homage. It's specifically said that this is the kind of Demon army that assailed the world when it was young. Several cities in Lustria are burning. As is Middenhiem. Tilea is overrun by Skaven (it's gone) who seem to have finally united. Ulthuan is fighting demons while Naggaroth is fighting WoC. The Empire is in bad straights, with Volkmar the Grim's army (who went to purge Sylvania) being completely destroyed and the Grand Theogenist himself has been captured. Valten is back, and the twin tailed comet is in the sky again. The Tomb Kings are marching on Araby. Gotrek (he's the slayer, right?) is specifically called a 'doomseeker' as he carves up a path through some WoC in Kislev, and Felix may be dead (the human companion? Do I have that right?). Kislev is pretty much gone, but the Ice Queen is still alive and is fighting WoC in hit-and-run battles throughout her empire. Beastmen have attacked Athel Loren, and the Oak of Ages is dead.
I think that hits the highlights.
So from that, I can sincerely hope we will see (warning! Wishlisting to follow!):
-A Bretonnia reboot with Gilles as the king
-New plastic Greater Demon models (greater demons/ exalted demons dual kit--> this one is a no brainer and GW would be stupid NOT to)
-Doomseekers making a comeback (my own personal geek dream. I'd start dwarfs for affordable slayer and doomseeker models)
-an Ice Queen/ kislev comback
I'm starting to get giggly with excitement!!!
I think forge worlds massive greater daemons that are named charachters in 40k apocalypse is called Exalted Daemons in the storm of magic book.
godswildcard wrote: Following a few other peoples lead, but if you haven't read the extract on Black Library, you need to. It's only about 65 pages, but it's AMAZING!! If you want to read it yourself, don't click below!
Spoiler:
In the first chapter, a 'scryer' (Mannfred) is looking around the world at the things going on. It doesn't look good. Louen Leoncouer is dead, killed by his illegitimate son (with the help of Arkhan). The son is in turned killed by Gilles de Breton, who was the Green Knight. Archon has a MASSIVE demon legion at the North Pole, and 4 exalted (their word, not mine!) demons kneel before him in homage. It's specifically said that this is the kind of Demon army that assailed the world when it was young. Several cities in Lustria are burning. As is Middenhiem. Tilea is overrun by Skaven (it's gone) who seem to have finally united. Ulthuan is fighting demons while Naggaroth is fighting WoC. The Empire is in bad straights, with Volkmar the Grim's army (who went to purge Sylvania) being completely destroyed and the Grand Theogenist himself has been captured. Valten is back, and the twin tailed comet is in the sky again. The Tomb Kings are marching on Araby. Gotrek (he's the slayer, right?) is specifically called a 'doomseeker' as he carves up a path through some WoC in Kislev, and Felix may be dead (the human companion? Do I have that right?). Kislev is pretty much gone, but the Ice Queen is still alive and is fighting WoC in hit-and-run battles throughout her empire. Beastmen have attacked Athel Loren, and the Oak of Ages is dead.
I think that hits the highlights.
So from that, I can sincerely hope we will see (warning! Wishlisting to follow!):
-A Bretonnia reboot with Gilles as the king
-New plastic Greater Demon models (greater demons/ exalted demons dual kit--> this one is a no brainer and GW would be stupid NOT to)
-Doomseekers making a comeback (my own personal geek dream. I'd start dwarfs for affordable slayer and doomseeker models)
-an Ice Queen/ kislev comback
I'm starting to get giggly with excitement!!!
I do believe Kislev is completely removed from the warhammer world by this expansion. They are completely and utterly destroyed. Might come back on zombie bears though...............
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Wow, this is very exciting. I don't have much faith in GW these days, but maybe the lawsuit/financial report shook them enough to actually try something new and move the fluff forward. I have always liked that about Warmahordes and would really like to see it in Fantasy, even if it was only a one-time thing. Changing Fantasy to the rumored skirmish style would be welcome... I could actually afford to play again!
corgan wrote: I am waiting for years to see a neat model of Malekith. Maybe the time has come...
There is a model of Malekith and has been for years. Sure, he could use some updating (he still has some metal bits) but he looks okay to me if a little plain.
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unmercifulconker wrote: I need a game or movie showcasing The End Times. Its getting too badass, cant wait to read more.
On a slight fluff note, can Nagash control a vampire the way a necromancer would a skeleton? Or are the majority of vampires simply joining Nagash because its Nagash?
Vampires have served Nagash in the past - the Nagash trilogy and Blood of Nagash books go into this at some length - its usually via coercion as he wants to completely eliminate their food supply and also given the ego's of pretty much all Vamps they don't like serving!
The only Vamps that really serve him willingly are Necrarchs and that because they want the same thing. Neferata has avoided direct control for much of her existence and has fought against his forces directly - usually losing. She gave Nagash a Vampire rather than serve herself when he marched on Sigmar
IIRC he tends to go for the "serve me or perish, you will serve me in death or life (un-life)" I don't think he has ever shown the power to command them directly expect through specific artefacts like his crown and a certain ring......
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"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Well said.To be honest I don't like this model so much. It's not that "dark". I was thinking of a revised version. Something better sculpted. It's a good chance.
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I don't play fantasy, but I've been thinking about if for awhile, and I've been intersted in starting a Tomb Kings army. I think I just got the excuse I needed to push me over the edge into finally starting one.
Nagash
Mannfred von Carstein, Mortarch of Night
Arkhan the Black, Mortarch of Sacrament
Neferata, Mortarch of Blood
Krell, Mortarch of Despair
Vlad von Carstein, Mortarch of Shadow
Vampire Lord
High Necromancer
Ghoul King Strigoi
High Queen Khalida
Tomb King
High Liche Priest
Heroes
Necromancer
Vampire
Wight King
Cairn Wraith
Tomb Banshee
Prince Apophas
Tomb Prince
Tomb Herald
Liche Priest
Necrotect
unmercifulconker wrote: I need a game or movie showcasing The End Times. Its getting too badass, cant wait to read more.
On a slight fluff note, can Nagash control a vampire the way a necromancer would a skeleton? Or are the majority of vampires simply joining Nagash because its Nagash?
Vampires have served Nagash in the past - the Nagash trilogy and Blood of Nagash books go into this at some length - its usually via coercion as he wants to completely eliminate their food supply and also given the ego's of pretty much all Vamps they don't like serving!
The only Vamps that really serve him willingly are Necrarchs and that because they want the same thing. Neferata has avoided direct control for much of her existence and has fought against his forces directly - usually losing. She gave Nagash a Vampire rather than serve herself when he marched on Sigmar
IIRC he tends to go for the "serve me or perish, you will serve me in death or life (un-life)" I don't think he has ever shown the power to command them directly expect through specific artefacts like his crown and a certain ring......
Ah sweet thanks very much, might just have to check those books out.
Fantasy and 40k being redone in the same year? Quite a release schedule.
No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k - DOW III
No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester 
The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k 
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