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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

and for some reason chinese gods do not get Asian eyes for some reason.

Do you see this look? This is what the Chinese players and Chinese Company Tencent asked for, oddly enough the Chinese Gods are being redesigned as asked by their player base.

Looks even more like Aphrodite now.

I am sorry, I fail to see your point here. Am I supposed to, for some reason, want the same design as Tencent?
I mean, what you describe certainly goes hand to hand with this phenomenon. Do you really consider this something positive that you wish to encourage? Especially when it means removing Asian eyes from character design, even though (in my personal opinion) they look incredibly good?
We are definitely not on the same page here.

 Soladrin wrote:
What's wrong with over sexualized female gods?

Let me give you two reasons:
- First, it leads to very uniform, boring, bland designs. What is the point of having tons of different characters, if they are all small variations on the same design idea? What about variety? That is the reason we have very different body builds among male character, by the way.
- Then, and that one is straight in front of your eyes but you cannot see it, It perpetuates some bad stereotypes and false ideas. For instance, the idea that “female gods […] have always been symbols of sexuality, fertility and the like.”. That is false, and have… unfortunate implications too. Let me give two examples from the game rooster. Unlike what the guy from that stupid video, full of this false stereotype, believes without even having taken the time to check out, Kali is not associated with sex. She is associated with violence, death and motherly love, though. Not much fertility there. It should be obvious from every piece of art featuring her that she is always depicted as fearsome, monstrous, frightening, not attractive. But so strong is his prejudice than he presents the evidences without actually seeing them… The other obvious example is Nemesis. In case you are not aware, “I am your Nemesis” does not exactly mean “I love you and want to have tons of children with you”. Nemesis is a goddess of vengeance and retribution. Her whole craft is of destruction. How in hell do you associate that with “sexuality, fertility and the like” is a complete mystery to me.

 Soladrin wrote:
Besides, I don't hear you complaining about how all men in videogames are buff stereotypical machomen.

That is because it is not true. Some are, but it is far, far from all of them.
Let us take the most famous video game character ever, for instance: Mario. Despite his mustache, he is not much of a macho man, with his big belly…
Do you want a list of LoL characters that are not macho men, for instance?
And that is not even mentioning the obvious. The obvious being that most characters in video games are going to be fighter, therefore it makes sense for them to be pretty muscled and though. Being fighters does NOT make them more likely to be sexualized, though.

Being fighters does NOT make them more likely to be sexualized

I tend to find a character's profession has next to nothing in common with their visual design. Visual design is usually about trying to portray the character via visual ques. So why does a woman have to conform to the standard model of beauty while men are often able to subvert it and still be appealing?

I mean, whose the must ungeneric female character in LoL? All the Yordles are at least a little bit off the mainstream, male and female alike but beyond them its what? Orianna and Aniva? Ori still has a big rack and plays to the whole 'sexbot' motif with a very curvy figure. And Anivia is a bird made of blueberry icecream @_@

We've got Zyra, a plant woman which offers so many design opportunities, but she's just a naked chick with leaves in the right places to keep her PG. Not to say that her design is ugly, Wildfire Zyra is pretty cool, but she's still checking all the boxes on standard beauty perceptions. For men we've got Hecarim, Tresh, Zac, Urgot, Trundle... Sure the non-Generic macho men are hardly ever played but still. They're there.

Now that I've said that;

Kali is not associated with sex

True, but most traditional depictions of Kali depict her naked, or at least with bare breasts. That's quite common for depictions of deities over time, as humans throughout time have often associated gods and goddesses with purity and portrayed them unclothed or minimally so. And that's ignoring that in modern times, ancient goddesses' have been reinvented by our popular culture as sex symbols, so that guy isn't completely off base.

In the West, Mary has long been an sex symbol, as were the Virgin Goddesses before her (Athena, Hestia, and Artemis). There's are stories for all three about their virginity nearly being violated in some form. Gods and goddesses, especially the Greek/Roman ones have always had a degree of associating with sex in their history, so a westerner taking that and applying it to all gods/goddesses everywhere isn't really shocking.

I am sorry, I fail to see your point here. Am I supposed to, for some reason, want the same design as Tencent?
I mean, what you describe certainly goes hand to hand with this phenomenon. Do you really consider this something positive that you wish to encourage? Especially when it means removing Asian eyes from character design, even though (in my personal opinion) they look incredibly good?
We are definitely not on the same page here.

Or maybe you've just looked for a meaning I wasn't intending at all. I was pointing out that the lack of Asian design was coming from their own player base. I have no honest clue how you've managed to twist my words so hard to find that meaning. I was simply stating that to them they don't desire that sort of looks for their gods.

Are you going to attack every post that speaks in this discussion?

 LordofHats wrote:
True, but most traditional depictions of Kali depict her naked, or at least with bare breasts.

Yeah, no issue with that. Non-sexual nudity is a thing, and I am going to quote once again the same cartoon as an example: Kirikou. If Smite had that, I would be much happier than the current non-nude sexuality .

 LordofHats wrote:
And that's ignoring that in modern times, ancient goddesses' have been reinvented by our popular culture as sex symbols, so that guy isn't completely off base.

He is. He did not take the time to do any researched and based himself on his prejudice to support an argument. You do not base good arguments on prejudice, you base them on facts. Because of course your prejudice will support themselves…

 LordofHats wrote:
Gods and goddesses, especially the Greek/Roman ones have always had a degree of associating with sex in their history

Yeah, but in that game, by some strange and unexpected turn of event, only goddess are sexualized. Let us compare Zeus and Nemesis. One has literally dozen of stories about him having sex with tons of different partners. The other has absolutely zero sexual relations that I know of. Or even, let us compare Zeus with his wife Hera. Who had more sex?



Oh, and before someone tells me that the male god are sexualized because they are muscled, that is not true.
This is not what a sexualized male character looks like:

This is what a sexualized male character looks like:


See also this:



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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Or maybe you've just looked for a meaning I wasn't intending at all. I was pointing out that the lack of Asian design was coming from their own player base. I have no honest clue how you've managed to twist my words so hard to find that meaning.

Oh. Sorry. Maybe I jumped to my guns a bit too easily. I apologize.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

He did not take the time to do any researched and based himself on his prejudice to support an argument.

Welcome to 75% of everything written on the internet. Ignorance isn't a sexist issue its an everything issue.

 LordofHats wrote:
One has literally dozen of stories about him having sex with tons of different partners. The other has absolutely zero sexual relations that I know of.

That's mostly because Nemesis is a very minor figure in Greek myth who pops up like, twice and then never again (though oddly she appears in a lot of Greek art). There's very few stories about her and her siblings, despite their having totally bad ass names. Nemesis. That name's so awesome we use it in subtitles!

The problem here is that it assumes women are the only ones a male character might be sexualized for. That male power fantasy often is the sexual ideal in the eyes of men. For men, power is sexually appealing. Its what we're conditioned to want to be. Strong, powerful, and dominating. Just because it doesn't meet what women really want, doesn't mean it's not what men want. Dismissing the sexualization of men as somehow separate from machoism is just one of those things that annoys me in the sex debate. Men have a sexual ideal of themselves just like women do, and what each sex wants from themselves and from the other doesn't match up (considering the aggregate anyway).

That is why I also mentionned Hera . I am pretty sure that if she had cheated on her husband anywhere nearly as much as he did on her, we would have stories about it.

 LordofHats wrote:
The problem here is that it assumes women are the only ones a male character might be sexualized for.

Is Hulk a gay sex symbol?
Really, I may be wrong, but I would be very surprised if gay people were attracted to these kinds of builds rather than leaner ones. But I am not sure that gay people is what you meant when you spoke about a male character sexualized for men. Still, I think for most men, being as muscled as Batman/Superman is sexy, being as muscled as Bane or Hulk is being freakish.

That is not how a normal woman sexualizes a male, infact it's rather a strawmen argument because that wouldn't sell (Nor have I seen ANYONE want a batman looking like that)

Typically one can find them in Romance Novels.

http://netdna.copyblogger.com/images/romance-novel.jpg

http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/6600000/Karen-Hawkins-romance-novels-6696309-1161-975.jpg

http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/6600000/Sabrina-Jeffries-romance-novels-6685412-537-501.jpg

I do not understand. Every guy on your links looks closer to the Batman on the comic, or the guy on my first message, than to the Hulk in term of muscle.
For real-life example, they do not look like that:

or that:

do they?
The point is not to say that attractive men have no muscle. Just that huge muscles does not make a man attractive by themselves, and that the bigger the better is a fallacy.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Is Hulk a gay sex symbol?

A man can't have an idea about what is sexually appealing about themselves without being gay? And thus we enter the territory where society is horribly uncomfortable with the idea of male sexual fantasies about themselves. I mean, heaven forbid I look in the mirror and think "damn I've gotten a little chubby" without that thought immediately being followed by the overwhelming realization that I must be gay because I'm concerned how a man looks.

Women spend hours looking at themselves in the mirror priming themselves up and it never occurs to us that this is a homoerotic activity (well maybe it is, but we're more comfortable with women endulging themselves in their own forms than we are with men doing it). If a man is fretting over his appearance, we only consider it in the context that he's trying to get attention from women or to become more powerful by buffing up. We sidestep the entire issue of men making themselves sexual appealing to themselves as an issue.

being as muscled as Bane or Hulk is being freakish.

I meant to quote the comic you linked not Hulk XD Oops lol

That is not how a normal woman sexualizes a male, infact it's rather a strawmen argument because that wouldn't sell (Nor have I seen ANYONE want a batman looking like that)

You'd be surprised. A really good comparative study on this is to compare Shonen Manga to Shoujo Manga (really its the best most straightforward case study in gender dynamics anyone can produce);

Typical men from a Shonen series (and women);



Typical men Shoujo series (Haruhi is a chick dressed as a dude cause Japan has a fascination with cross dressing);



Look at those images and see how downplayed the male physic is in the second image as opposed to Black Star in the first. The lines are more curved and smother with fewer sharp edges. The entire image is a more slender design, while the former is more sharp and fierce. And this is a comparison of a straight Shoujo manga and a Shonen series meant to appeal to both men and women.

This isn't to say women don't like the male physic. I'm certain plenty of women like men with muscle, but when you look at art of men by women and art of men by men (guess who makes the majority of cover art for romance novels and who approves that cover art?) there is a very noticeable contrast.

I do not understand. Every guy on your links looks closer to what is described on the comic, or the guy on my first message, than to the Hulk in term of muscle.

I have no clue how they look like the comic, feminine lips and biggish anime eyes while having a more feminine physique?

Generally from what I've seen is that most of the gods don't exactly wear much at all regardless, being pretty nude and showing off most of what they have and all.

 LordofHats wrote:
A man can't have an idea about what is sexually appealing about themselves without being gay?

Sure they can. But I somehow expect gay people to be the most concerned and vocal about what they find sexually appealing in a man.

 LordofHats wrote:
I mean, heaven forbid I look in the mirror and think "damn I've gotten a little chubby" without that thought immediately being followed by the overwhelming realization that I must be gay because I'm concerned how a man looks.

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No, that ever happened to me. And I do not mean because I am not chubby, I mean because I have considered myself too skinny without having in any way the impression that this made me gay.
But really, I would not care at all if men were sexy or not in a comic or other media (apart from some very abstract gender-equality point of view, I guess). I could tell if they seemed sexy or not, I just would not care about there being sexy characters. I can see how gay people would care. That is why when talking about sexy male character in comic books, I think primarily about catering to the tastes of heterosexual women and gay men.


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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I have no clue how they look like the comic, feminine lips and biggish anime eyes while having a more feminine physique?

Well, you have to compare comics characters with comics characters. Of course if you compare that fem-Batman with covers from novels featuring pictures rather than drawings, it is going to be very different. Because in a comics, people are stylized.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Generally from what I've seen is that most of the gods don't exactly wear much at all regardless, being pretty nude and showing off most of what they have and all.

Yeah, but for make gods it really feel like non-sexual nudity. For female gods, on the other hand, the clothing is usually here to actually make them more sexy than if they were just naked.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
But I somehow expect gay people to be the most concerned and vocal about what they find sexually appealing in a man.

And yet, it never crosses most minds to think the same about women speaking about what they find sexually appealing about themselves and each other. Think of all the times in film you've seen a girl turn to her friend and ask "does this make my butt look big?" Like we'd ever see that scene with men without a gay joke immediately following.

That's what I mean when I say western society tries to sidestep the issue of male's considering their own sex appeal. Machoism is about sex appeal. Just because the typical man won't admit that he finds a macho guy sexually appealing has nothing to do with that men don't have their own sexual ideal of themselves, it's just that they don't want to admit it because someone will call them gay. Many men would probably kill to look as great as Dante in DMC3. Sex appeal isn't just about what we want in others but what we want in ourselves. Sexual double standards hit men too. We have the better of it certainly, but it does hit us.

Wasn't Leona Champ number 118 in LoL, while the Female Tank (Athena) of Smite was God # 47?


Also, you can use Lulu to point out that LoL is Diverse, but I hardly call 3 Yordles, 1 child, and the rest with Boobs bigger than their heads. Where is the Fat Chick? The Ugly Chick? All were criticisms you used against Smite, but League, a MUCH more popular game with a LARGER fanbase, has the same issues.

And because of the fact that all the females have the same body types, their personalities are the same, movesets are the same, and they are incredibly similar to each other. It's a preposterous argument to make against LoL, and no less so against Smite.

However, LoL does have some serious double standards:

Male Plant Champion:



Plant Female Champion:

 LordofHats wrote:
Think of all the times in film you've seen a girl turn to her friend and ask "does this make my butt look big?"

That would be very, very rare, but it is mostly linked to my taste in movies, I guess. But yeah, I understand what you mean. You are right. It is true. But still, I am not sure it is relevant to this discussion because I do not think straight male players look for sexy male characters in games or comics. They do care about whether or not they are sexy because, well, they want to be attractive, but for characters in media? I do not think so.


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 Slarg232 wrote:
Wasn't Leona Champ number 118 in LoL, while the Female Tank (Athena) of Smite was God # 47?


Also, you can use Lulu to point out that LoL is Diverse, but I hardly call 3 Yordles, 1 child, and the rest with Boobs bigger than their heads. Where is the Fat Chick? The Ugly Chick? All were criticisms you used against Smite, but League, a MUCH more popular game with a LARGER fanbase, has the same issues.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Oh, I see you misunderstood my statement as “League of Legend is the nirvana of positive and equal representation for female characters, while Smite is an horrible mess of sexualized horrors”, when really, it was “League of Legend is an horrible mess of sexualized horrors but somehow Smite manage to be even worse”.
[…]
(I am not listing the bad examples because that would mean basically all of them, but if you are frustrated by that, just help yourself. Also this.)

In which language do I need to say that League of Legend is very, very bad for you to understand you do not need to convince me it is?

Anyhow, you do not see any problem with every female champion/goddess having the same body type, while male champions/gods enjoy a huge variety of body types?

Biggest demographic for competitive online games by an incredibly long shot: men.

What is the easiest way to make young men like characters? I said young men. Boobs / sex.

If I was in their position, I'd go the same. Easy money. LoL does the very same.

I'm really not sure why League would ever be held up as a positive example of representation of women. It's a fantastic exemplar of problems with female character design - I really like Slarg232's pictures, there.

LordofHats, there are definitely issues with representation of men in games, but I am not convinced your example is correct. If I'm looking in a mirror trying to look nice for some actual or hypothetical guy, I'm not going, "what can I do to my appearance to make myself look hottest to me?" I'm asking, "what can I do to my appearance to make myself look hottest to men?" I'm not leveraging my sexuality to make the judgment, I'm leveraging some bizarre cultural aggregate that I've absorbed and hypothesised.

As a result of that I think you're missing a step in the guy looking in the mirror and wanting to be super buff. He's not thinking, "if I was into dudes (and I'm not) I'd totally want a piece of that beautifully muscled fellow!" He's thinking, "if I was super strong and powerful then I'd get all the girls." The appearance is a side-effect of power rather than being the end in itself.

Additionally, to support my argument I'll note that IME gay guys don't have some beauty ideal of beefcake guy - there's a ton of variance that goes right down to those Shonen guys.

Anyway, Smite always struck me as about as interesting as paint drying (especially when I got spam about it immediately after being burned by Tribes: Ascend) so I feel like the takeaway note here is that we need more hot guys in games. I've been playing FF14 lately and it's refreshing how the guys are allowed to have physiques other than "Roid Rage." They can even have makeup! Playing a game where men are allowed to look good instead of chasing some silly power fantasy is fun.

Yeah, but for make gods it really feel like non-sexual nudity. For female gods, on the other hand, the clothing is usually here to actually make them more sexy than if they were just naked.

I suppose its in the eye of the beholder, I can see the males as sexualized in a manner that would be attractive to those who enjoy such views.

Anyhow, you do not see any problem with every female champion/goddess having the same body type, while male champions/gods enjoy a huge variety of body types?

Wouldn't mind some that aren't in the typical body style myself, I mean we have Zhong Kui, and there's some females that could match him in looks, we need some more monstrous/different females.

I've been playing FF14 lately and it's refreshing how the guys are allowed to have physiques other than "Roid Rage." They can even have makeup! Playing a game where men are allowed to look good instead of chasing some silly power fantasy is fun.

Except all you are doing is changing one cultural power fantasy for another.

 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
I'm really not sure why League would ever be held up as a positive example of representation of women.

That is a strawman from Slarg232, because I said Smite was even worse. Really, nobody said so.

 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
Anyway, Smite always struck me as about as interesting as paint drying (especially when I got spam about it immediately after being burned by Tribes: Ascend) so I feel like the takeaway note here is that we need more hot guys in games. I've been playing FF14 lately and it's refreshing how the guys are allowed to have physiques other than "Roid Rage." They can even have makeup! Playing a game where men are allowed to look good instead of chasing some silly power fantasy is fun.

So, I guess your anecdotal example support what the comic I posted said about redesigning Batman for female gaze ?

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I suppose its in the eye of the beholder, I can see the males as sexualized in a manner that would be attractive to those who enjoy such views.

They have no nipples. Barechested man, no nipples, dead giveaway !
More seriously, sexy clothing is all about pretending to hide to put more focus on. It is why the stereotypical chippendale will wear a shirt collar but not the rest of the shirt :

it puts the emphasis on the fact he is naked and that is not just his normal state.
Also we see way less of the male gods thigh or upper legs than for female goddess, for instance.
I guess we could try to analyze them one by one and then vote for the sexiest Smite god .

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Except all you are doing is changing one cultural power fantasy for another.

It is not a power fantasy here, just a sexual/romantic one .

There is no point in arguing with you, Oxayotl.

You claim that Smite has Mayan/Egyptian Gods without having any of them being people of color, but there are "Blue People". I show you Chaac, Xbalanque, and Ra, two Mayan and on Egyptian Gods, all of whom have darker/black skin. You drop that point because I proved you wrong.

You claim that Vanama and Khumbakharna are Hindu gods and not well represented in the game, when I then show you that they were made pretty dang close to what Hindu Culture shows them as. You drop that point because I proved you wrong.

You claimed that LoL had Lulu and other Yordles to keep "the females diverse", but when I state that only 5 out of 60 female characters are not the typical Big Bust Females in LoL, suddenly I'm strawmanning.

Wallow in your ignorance, because I'm done trying to convince you of otherwise.

 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
He's not thinking, "if I was into dudes (and I'm not) I'd totally want a piece of that beautifully muscled fellow!"

See you keep hitting that wall I'm mention. What I'm talking about has nothing to do with wanting to have sex with men. It's solely about you and what you want yourself to look like and the kind of person you want to be.

Kirk is a man's man not just because he's powerful but because he's sexual. Kirk tells people to fire the photon torpedos then turns around and drags a hot green chick to his quarters and makes love to her. The power is sexy. It has nothing to do with men wanting to bang Kirk it's about men wanting to be Kirk because Kirk is our sexual ideal. He's the kind of man we envision as being a champion of everything manly. The male power fantasy is a sex fantasy, sexualization and machoism are not two separate concepts. <- That's what I'm trying to get at anyway.

It has nothing to do with wanting to appeal to other men so you can bang them.

They have no nipples. Barechested man, no nipples, dead giveaway

..Scuse me?



Nipple



Nother one



Not a sexualized male, but he's rockin dat nipple ring.

 Slarg232 wrote:
You claim that Smite has Mayan/Egyptian Gods without having any of them being people of color, but there are "Blue People". I show you Chaac, Xbalanque, and Ra, two Mayan and on Egyptian Gods, all of whom have darker/black skin.

I agree for Mayan god, but for Ra? He has a bloody damn eagle head, and his skin does not look like Egyptian. You could as well have mentioned Fenrir. My point was that almost all humans where very much made to look like white Europeans rather than being representative of where they came from. Same for the Chinese gods not having Asian eyes. But yeah, I was wrong about those two Mayan gods.

 Slarg232 wrote:
You claim that Vanama and Khumbakharna are Hindu gods and not well represented in the game, when I then show you that they were made pretty dang close to what Hindu Culture shows them as.

Why are you even trying again to bring that “They must look like how their respective culture shows them”? It is completely hypocritical, because hardly any of them does. Just look at Nemesis, she is wearing PANTYHOSE and HIGH HEELS! Those are NOT from Ancient Greece.

 Slarg232 wrote:
You claimed that LoL had Lulu and other Yordles to keep "the females diverse"

I said, explicitly, in the very post you are talking about, that “League of Legend is an horrible mess of sexualized horrors” (does that sound like “League of Legend has diverse female characters” to you), and that “I am not listing the bad examples because that would mean basically all of them”, i.e. that all the other characters are “the typical Big Bust Females”. I just, for the fun of it (and I explicitly said it was for the fun of it!) said I would try to dig the few female champions that did not follow the trend.
If I quote passage of my first message that directly contradict what you pretend I said, it is a pretty good proof that you are using a strawman.

I agree for Mayan god, but for Ra? He has a bloody damn eagle head, and his skin does not look like Egyptian

What about this screams European?

 LordofHats wrote:
It has nothing to do with men wanting to bang Kirk it's about men wanting to be Kirk because Kirk is our sexual ideal.

People want to be Kirk because they want to bang the hot green chick you are talking about. They care about being sexy because they want to convince that hot green chick to sleep with them. Therefore, they do not ask themselves if they find themselves sexy, they ask themselves whether they are what this hot green chick would find sexy. I guess that is what HiveFleetPlastic meant to say anyway. The ideal is not “looking like that”, that is just a mean to the end, the actual ideal of “banging that hot green chick”. And it is the same the other way around.


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
My point was that almost all humans where very much made to look like white Europeans rather than being representative of where they came from.

Yeah, I should have said human-looking, because they are gods. I stand by my point. That guy's skin is no more “natural” and evocative of the actual inhabitants of Egypts than the blue skin is evocative of the actual inhabitants of India…

Yeah, I should have said human-looking, because they are gods. I stand by my point. That guy's skin is no more “natural” and evocative of the actual inhabitants of Egypts than the blue skin is evocative of the actual inhabitants of India…

Uh Huh, just what is the 'natural' skin color of the Egyptians? Despite the fact that the god is as you said was made directly how he was represented in the olden era.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Therefore, they do not ask themselves if they find themselves sexy, they ask themselves whether they are what this hot green chick would find sexy.

I guess the extension there for my thoughts is that; The hot green chick is a male fantasy of women, what women are like, and what women want. Kirk is the male fantasy of what men should be like to draw that woman's attention, and having her attention the man is the one with power in the relattionship. I see it as woman is subject to Kirk's manly traits, which while envisioned as what a woman wants, the woman herself is a male fantasy whose real purpose is to reinforce the male ideal. Yes the male ideal is based on "how to I get to bang this green chick" but that green chick herself being a fantasy of what kind of woman men want, it just makes a loop of one fantasy reinforcing the other. The point is that both fantasies are those of men and serve to define, assure, and enforce our expectations and desires.

Like I said, double standard hits men and women, but men do get the better of it I think. The issue in dominant media model is that the model of how men and women relate is based on how men think they should relate. Just watch an action movie and a chick flick back to back and watch the differences in how the male and female leads interact with one another in both films. Both exist, but we usually don't see chick flicks rake in hundreds of millions like a summer blockbuster would. While the male ideal remains dominant, the status quo will favor men and their expectations, but as some love to tell us, the status quo does hurt men too.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Yeah, I should have said human-looking, because they are gods. I stand by my point. That guy's skin is no more “natural” and evocative of the actual inhabitants of Egypts than the blue skin is evocative of the actual inhabitants of India…

Uh Huh, just what is the 'natural' skin color of the Egyptians? Despite the fact that the god is as you said was made directly how he was represented in the olden era.

Don't; he's just going to gold fish a bit more and then declare you a straw man.

Kali is blue, so that's wrong.

Except when Kali is Blue:

ZebioLizard2, do you feel like the Gods from Smite, by their types (not their clothes, not their tatoos, not their supernatural attributes, just the color of their skins, the shape of their eyes, …) evokes the area they are supposed to have originated from? I do not.

 LordofHats wrote:
Just watch an action movie and a chick flick back to back

Ahow, that would hurt!

 LordofHats wrote:
and watch the differences in how the male and female leads interact with one another in both films.

Not familiar enough with chick flicks. Action movie will likely have the “women as a reward” stuff, I guess. There was that in the Lego movie, and in Edge of Tomorrow.
Movies I would like to watch would likely have the weirdest stuff happening, if they even have any kind of love interest going on .


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 Slarg232 wrote:
Kali is blue, so that's wrong.

Kali is not having a collar of severed heads, a belt of severed arms, and sticking out her tongue, so that is wrong. Because she is in both pictures you are linking to. But you are not interested in having any kind of discussion.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Haha... I love shortpacked. I really need to get back to reading it.

But yeah, that Aphrodite lookalike is kind of bland.

ZebioLizard2, do you feel like the Gods from Smite, by their types (not their clothes, not their tatoos, not their supernatural attributes, just the color of their skins, the shape of their eyes, …) evokes the area they are supposed to have originated from? I do not.

Let me ask this, if those where they originated from had different thoughts on what deities look like or should look like, is it really your place to tell them that "They should look more like what I feel they should look like."