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 Brennonjw wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
So, Vampires are getting something else that's really cool.....oh boy....

Love the model. But it would appear that it's possible that neither of the Undead factions as we know them can field him.

Nagash can be included in an Undead Legions Army

Does that exist now as a variant list in one of the books?

Nah, He's a VC guy, I mean he did CREATE the vampires. but he does cost 1000 pts. so i guess only grand armys even have an inkling of a change, or he will be like the Imperial knights from 40k.

But he also lived thousands of years ago. And the Vampires are incredibly hedonistic. The only "clan" that are even vaguely associated with him are the Lahmians. And even they're not fond of the guy.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
So, Vampires are getting something else that's really cool.....oh boy....

Love the model. But it would appear that it's possible that neither of the Undead factions as we know them can field him.

Nagash can be included in an Undead Legions Army

Does that exist now as a variant list in one of the books?

Nah, He's a VC guy, I mean he did CREATE the vampires. but he does cost 1000 pts. so i guess only grand armys even have an inkling of a change, or he will be like the Imperial knights from 40k.

But he also lived thousands of years ago. And the Vampires are incredibly hedonistic. The only "clan" that are even vaguely associated with him are the Lahmians. And even they're not fond of the guy.

The Von Carsteins have been working on getting Nagash back, according to the last VC Army Book.

 Brennonjw wrote:


Nah, He's a VC guy, I mean he did CREATE the vampires.

No he's not. He's an undead legions guy. If you look at the pictures it shown him with VC, TK & yet unreleased stuff.

Also more images (https://imgur.com/a/SpnI3)

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:Memories of Storm of Chaos armies getting made invalid.

They aren't invalid, just find some SoM events / make one yourself the rules are great fun.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
So, Vampires are getting something else that's really cool.....oh boy....

Love the model. But it would appear that it's possible that neither of the Undead factions as we know them can field him.

Nagash can be included in an Undead Legions Army

Does that exist now as a variant list in one of the books?

Nah, He's a VC guy, I mean he did CREATE the vampires. but he does cost 1000 pts. so i guess only grand armys even have an inkling of a change, or he will be like the Imperial knights from 40k.

But he also lived thousands of years ago. And the Vampires are incredibly hedonistic. The only "clan" that are even vaguely associated with him are the Lahmians. And even they're not fond of the guy.

The Von Carsteins have been working on getting Nagash back, according to the last VC Army Book.

Not really the Von Carsteins as a whole, more specifically a few members, one of which is brainwashed and the other is a loyal servant of Nagash.

The Vampire Counts hate him, as do Tomb Kings, the VC he ended up hating because when they fought they didn't kill the former nekaharans, and as a result rebuked them harshly with curses, and many of which afflict them to this day.

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:


Also more images (https://imgur.com/a/SpnI3)

Dude, the Spirit Hosts are freaking sweet! But $105 US for Nagash, dang...

Yeah but it's a gigantic gorgeous model and it appears to be GIGANTIC. I mean a wraithknight is 115 and doesnt have that level of fine details.

Plus you only ever need ONE nagash. I know people with FOUR wraithknights.

Also I am SO glad to see new spirit hosts. Hopefully they're affordable or else I'll stick to using my malifaux spirits on bigger bases.

I'm also not sure if I want the limited edition or not. I weant to see if it's like the other GW "limited edishun" in that "hurr we changed the cover & numbered it so gib us double monies" or if there will be a real benefit to the limited edition.

I wouldn't mind paying more for it IF it came with a limited edition model or something but I can't justify doubling the price for a fancy new cover art / sleeve and an arbitrary number.

 Brennonjw wrote:
Nah, He's a VC guy, I mean he did CREATE the vampires. but he does cost 1000 pts. so i guess only grand armys even have an inkling of a change, or he will be like the Imperial knights from 40k.

Sorry he did not create the Vampires.. After his 1st defeat Queen Neferata found his book and took it too her city there she tried to recreate his Elixir of life but failed. Instead of true immortality she was cursed with vampirism. Neferata then gave her curse to Worshan and others which created the (now unused) bloodlines.

When he came back and met the Vampires Nagash found them easy to control for his own use.....to wage war as his generals apon his defeat the 2nd time, Thanks to Skaven sense of self preservation. the Vampires were free to do as they desired...

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:

Also I am SO glad to see new spirit hosts. Hopefully they're affordable or else I'll stick to using my malifaux spirits on bigger bases.

The Spirit Hosts were listed at 3 models for $26--which puts them at the same level as Nurglings.

I wouldn't mind paying more for it IF it came with a limited edition model or something but I can't justify doubling the price for a fancy new cover art / sleeve and an arbitrary number.

It was listed as having "Two hardbound books in a slipcase with accessories" which likely means you will see counters of some kind.

I just have a gut feeling that when either the TK or the VC book needs an update they will scrap both books and just shove them in one book called Army Book: Undead..

Not that I'm complaining. Would love a few mummies with my Vampires

Plus it seems that GW is advancing the timeline.. *shock horror intensifies*

It truly is the end times if the story is advancing and I'm guessing, they are going to gauge the community reaction on this, and take it as a que for the future, if this is what the masses ( /cash spenders) want maybe we will see more Dire and interesting plots/ campaigns/ models. Would eventually be a good way for GW to up primach/ daemon primarch sales if you know what I mean

By the by, I'm a huge undead fan and while I like vampires, something about Liches has always just resonated more with me, so I for one, am loving every bit of what I'm seeing, and GW might actually have intrigued me enough to pick up the other other undead meat ( TK) if their is a good skellie alliance to be had. I needed something of this magnitude to uplift my spirits though after this huge 40K string going on that I could really just care less about currently


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PS. Damn does Manfreds Horse look cool, thing looks like Deathwing

 Arthas367 wrote:
It truly is the end times if the story is advancing and I'm guessing, they are going to gauge the community reaction on this, and take it as a que for the future, if this is what the masses ( /cash spenders) want maybe we will see more Dire and interesting plots/ campaigns/ models. Would eventually be a good way for GW to up primach/ daemon primarch sales if you know what I mean

By the by, I'm a huge undead fan and while I like vampires, something about Liches has always just resonated more with me, so I for one, am loving every bit of what I'm seeing, and GW might actually have intrigued me enough to pick up the other other undead meat ( TK) if their is a good skellie alliance to be had. I needed something of this magnitude to uplift my spirits though after this huge 40K string going on that I could really just care less about currently


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PS. Damn does Manfreds Horse look cool, thing looks like Deathwing

Except the End times are Chaos.... You know. Archaon. The lord of the End Times. The clue's in the name. The end may be nigh, but it's not the end times. That's a chaos thing.

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
Nah, He's a VC guy, I mean he did CREATE the vampires. but he does cost 1000 pts. so i guess only grand armys even have an inkling of a change, or he will be like the Imperial knights from 40k.

Sorry he did not create the Vampires.. After his 1st defeat Queen Neferata found his book and took it too her city there she tried to recreate his Elixir of life but failed. Instead of true immortality she was cursed with vampirism. Neferata then gave her curse to Worshan and others which created the (now unused) bloodlines.

When he came back and met the Vampires Nagash found them easy to control for his own use.....to wage war as his generals apon his defeat the 2nd time, Thanks to Skaven sense of self preservation. the Vampires were free to do as they desired...

Indeed - Neferata and most other Vampires hate and fear him - it will be interesting to see what the book says about how he gets them on his side - intimidation, mind control or something else. After all if Nagash wins, the Vampires loose as they have no food source - save for those few who no longer need to feed.

 thedarkavenger wrote:
Except the End times are Chaos.... You know. Archaon. The lord of the End Times. The clue's in the name. The end may be nigh, but it's not the end times. That's a chaos thing.

I guess you missed the part in the release blurb where it says The End Times. Twice.

Morghast Harbingers look fething sweet!

I hear my wallet crying already :(

Oh I already know I'm buying the book (maybe SE). nagash, harbringers & at least 1 of the necrachs depending on the kit.

I have a feeling one kit builds the 3 we've seen and maybe a 4th (horsemen style makes sense from the names). Also depends on cost. I'm guaranteed down for nagash + book though.

I'd love for them to do more campaign style releases like this.

We already saw the listings.

The three named characters(Neferata, Arkhan the Black, and Mannfred von Carstein) are built from one kit. It is $79 for the kit and builds one.
The new Morghast are a dual kit that consists of two models and seemingly can build one of each at $57.

 Kanluwen wrote:
We already saw the listings.

The three named characters(Neferata, Arkhan the Black, and Mannfred von Carstein) are built from one kit. It is $79 for the kit and builds one.
The new Morghast are a dual kit that consists of two models and seemingly can build one of each at $57.

That doesn't sound too bad.

79 is pricy, but at least one could use the spare characters to create a lord / hero conversion to recoup the cost, and there should be a lot of spare pieces.

I'll eventually buy 3.

I'll probably start with Mannfred just because I love VC too much, then neferata & end it with Arkhan.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Arthas367 wrote:
It truly is the end times if the story is advancing and I'm guessing, they are going to gauge the community reaction on this, and take it as a que for the future, if this is what the masses ( /cash spenders) want maybe we will see more Dire and interesting plots/ campaigns/ models. Would eventually be a good way for GW to up primach/ daemon primarch sales if you know what I mean

By the by, I'm a huge undead fan and while I like vampires, something about Liches has always just resonated more with me, so I for one, am loving every bit of what I'm seeing, and GW might actually have intrigued me enough to pick up the other other undead meat ( TK) if their is a good skellie alliance to be had. I needed something of this magnitude to uplift my spirits though after this huge 40K string going on that I could really just care less about currently


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PS. Damn does Manfreds Horse look cool, thing looks like Deathwing

Except the End times are Chaos.... You know. Archaon. The lord of the End Times. The clue's in the name. The end may be nigh, but it's not the end times. That's a chaos thing.

I'm not even sure how this was relevant .... lol I said if this garnered attention, maybe we could see a lot more plot progression across the board / shrug

 Arthas367 wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Arthas367 wrote:
It truly is the end times if the story is advancing and I'm guessing, they are going to gauge the community reaction on this, and take it as a que for the future, if this is what the masses ( /cash spenders) want maybe we will see more Dire and interesting plots/ campaigns/ models. Would eventually be a good way for GW to up primach/ daemon primarch sales if you know what I mean

By the by, I'm a huge undead fan and while I like vampires, something about Liches has always just resonated more with me, so I for one, am loving every bit of what I'm seeing, and GW might actually have intrigued me enough to pick up the other other undead meat ( TK) if their is a good skellie alliance to be had. I needed something of this magnitude to uplift my spirits though after this huge 40K string going on that I could really just care less about currently


Automatically Appended Next Post:
PS. Damn does Manfreds Horse look cool, thing looks like Deathwing

Except the End times are Chaos.... You know. Archaon. The lord of the End Times. The clue's in the name. The end may be nigh, but it's not the end times. That's a chaos thing.

I'm not even sure how this was relevant .... lol I said if this garnered attention, maybe we could see a lot more plot progression across the board / shrug

I misread your post.....



I'm tired. Okay.

I wouldnt mind a combined undead book so long as the two different varieties (sylvanian and khmeri) can still maintain some individual flavour

I really, really, really, really doubt they'll do a combined book.

They have spent two or three iterations now attempting to differentiate the two factions of Undead(Khemrian and Vampire Bloodlines). Simply having Mannfred von Carstein(the only prominent, living member of a Bloodline which very well might have ties to Nagash to begin with--remember that Vlad was a "mysterious Northerner" who had one of Nagash's own tomes) with some Khemrian characters who have been associated with Nagash does not necessarily mean that they're going to roll everything up.

If anything, Undead Legions and the Cult of Nagash getting their own book is a good thing. Mannfred and Arkhan the Black can be pulled from their respective books and get put into the Undead Legions with Neferata and give some interesting, distinct "lieutenants" for Nagash while opening some character slots for VC and TK.

I would love to see Walach Harkon or the Red Duke show up in the VC book, for example, to showcase the more "fighty" non-Bloodline characters.

Not as familiar with TK stuff but I'm sure there are a few marginalized characters who could show up and be fantastic additions to differentiate the TK from VC and Undead Legions.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Not as familiar with TK stuff but I'm sure there are a few marginalized characters who could show up and be fantastic additions to differentiate the TK from VC and Undead Legions.

Arkhan is a Nagash fanboy and the other Lich Priests and Tomb Kings (and Queens) all hate him and want revenge on Nagash, bigtime.

Except for the bone beard I LOVE the model. Seems to me like it has some design elements mixed in from TK, VC, Skaven and DE which would fit considering he has interacted with all of the above. Can't wait to see the models for any of the other rumored creatures, especially the winged chariot which I believe was mentioned in one of the VC army books. Also heard a rumor that the End Times campaign that's supposed to be released with Nagash will be GW's way of closing out WHFB though I'm taking that with a HUGE grain of salt.

On a side note still waiting for Brettonians :(

Honestly, I wasn't very excited when I first saw this. I mean, yes it's an amazing model, and I love my TK and anything undead, but I figured he would only be for like, VC or something. But, apparently rumors are that he and everything in his book are part of an "alliance" army? Meaning he's kinda like a supplement for TK OR VC, which now makes me want him all the more. Plus, Arkhan the Black will finally have a model. I mean, my god man...

As there seems to be a Campaign Rule Book and an Army Book coming I believe he's going to be part of the third Undead Faction, enemies and allies with both.

Vampire Counts
Undead Legions
Tomb Kings

 Micky wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Not as familiar with TK stuff but I'm sure there are a few marginalized characters who could show up and be fantastic additions to differentiate the TK from VC and Undead Legions.

Arkhan is a Nagash fanboy and the other Lich Priests and Tomb Kings (and Queens) all hate him and want revenge on Nagash, bigtime.

Seeing Nagash's power over the Undead, he could very much have just 'taken them over'

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Micky wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Not as familiar with TK stuff but I'm sure there are a few marginalized characters who could show up and be fantastic additions to differentiate the TK from VC and Undead Legions.

Arkhan is a Nagash fanboy and the other Lich Priests and Tomb Kings (and Queens) all hate him and want revenge on Nagash, bigtime.

Seeing Nagash's power over the Undead, he could very much have just 'taken them over'

Just like Grimgor could have killed Archaon.

Dont know if it has been said. But I have heard that Nagash can allow for lords to be up to 50% of your army totals and can gain control of enemy undead

 Ustrello wrote:
Dont know if it has been said. But I have heard that Nagash can allow for lords to be up to 50% of your army totals and can gain control of enemy undead

50% lords yes. But that is any "army of the end times"

Gain control of any undead: No. That was a scenario special rule in the bat rep along with 3x range & number of models summoned. However that was to balance the fact that it was nagash Vs over 4k pts of TK.