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I must admit that not being familiar with the prices for Grey Knights, I thought the same thing when I saw the kit appearr on GW. Reading the other posts now, and would have to agree that a 10% decrease is a positive thing. And the Grey Knights are far from the first offender. The Deathwing Terminator squad is another offender. Another 3 squad options in one box. And marine IC's. €15-22 is ludicrous.

You're correct about the lack of consistency in price though . i.e. why this kit is so expensive relative to other marine squads. I'm pretty sure it can't contain much more plastic than a Space Wolves Pack box, and GW stock them for €28 I believe. The way to make the pricey squads affordable, like another poster suggested is to buy say 1x deathwing pack and 2x regular teminator squads, mix and match. I recently integrated a discounted box of tactical marines with my grey hunter parts, and not only did it save me money, the variety I have is great. I'm sure you can do the same with the Grey Knights and tac marines.

Some of the metal squads that have been reproduced in finecast are even worse value though. My friend bought a set of plague marines there and as if €36 for 7 isn't high enough, there was very little weapon options and spare bits, not even melta, plasma or flamer. Comparing that to what you get in a wolves pack, its a joke.

Ultimately I'd be pleased if GW dropped their prices further to reasonable amounts, (who wouldn't?) but that's hoping. Failing that there should be some sort of standardisation. Either they should base the price of all kits on a) number of models of a given size, or b) on weight of plastic. Not whichever is highest as suits them. Also a higher price for higher detailed characters, say €10 is acceptable as they presumably have to charge higher to compensate for the relatively low production count of ICs compared to squad figures. At the moment they just seem to be charging for each kit based on which of these equations is the highest.

Grey Knights do have a degree of detail very differnt from other marines. so their being a LITTLE more expensive I can proably accept simply because they proably don't have the economy of scale GW manages from the "tatical squads" but ultimatly their pricing has always been very much a matter of whim combined, to a degree, with points value of the models (generally if something costs more points it seems to cost more)

GW creates new models, already makes insane margins on plastics due to volume, sells them at a high price. Then doubles down on the same unit with little extra cost (pennies), takes a few bucks off, people praise them.

Seriously, it's not magic. "Volume Discount" on miniatures that probably already paid back the tooling costs many moons ago. And then they slap 'em in new paint for double the amount and just barely shy of double the cost.

From the lay perspective, yea it's a deal. From anything else, it's still overprice. Until it's 10 dudes for $25, like most other kits in the realm of 28mm spam, then move on.

PS: 20 Guardsmen-like models with bits for $31 USD. Now that's a deal.

Oh boo hoo, you guys need like 25 models for a fairly competitive 1850 point list. Nid and ork players are laughing at you right now. One squad for them costs almost as much as entire GK army and GK will rolfstomp all but the very best lists from those factions.

So this is just a 5 man box made into a $10 man? I like how some reason they're a flat $100. They're slowly getting to the price range of the SoB now.

Yes they are over the top, like everything else GW. I love the insults and bashing of players by players in this thread, never fails to amaze.

BrianDavion wrote:
Grey Knights do have a degree of detail very differnt from other marines. so their being a LITTLE more expensive I can proably accept simply because they proably don't have the economy of scale GW manages from the "tatical squads" but ultimatly their pricing has always been very much a matter of whim combined, to a degree, with points value of the models (generally if something costs more points it seems to cost more)

They don't really look any more detailed than the Space Wolf models and have less than 10% more parts than the SW kit.

But I actually don't mind it when expensive models (pts wise) somewhat subsidise the low pts models. The problem is... even the low pts models are really fething expensive so that the high pts models just look outright insane.

When you have models like these:



That cost $16.45 for 30 (55 cents per model), you start to wonder why you are paying $48 for only 10 of these ($4.80 per model!):



When your "cannon fodder" units are so massively overpriced, you end up with your elites looking fething insanely priced.

$6 for a stupid miniature isn't much better than $6.60 for a stupid miniature. When it's $25 a 10 man box then we can start patting GW on the back.

Here is a good one my sister's army was made between 96-98 today the models are 10-14 each back then I paid 6 bucks each. So they doubled in price since. O ya they are the same freakin models nothing diffrent lol.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Grey Knights do have a degree of detail very differnt from other marines. so their being a LITTLE more expensive I can proably accept simply because they proably don't have the economy of scale GW manages from the "tatical squads" but ultimatly their pricing has always been very much a matter of whim combined, to a degree, with points value of the models (generally if something costs more points it seems to cost more)

They don't really look any more detailed than the Space Wolf models and have less than 10% more parts than the SW kit.

But I actually don't mind it when expensive models (pts wise) somewhat subsidise the low pts models. The problem is... even the low pts models are really fething expensive so that the high pts models just look outright insane.

When you have models like these:

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That cost $16.45 for 30 (55 cents per model), you start to wonder why you are paying $48 for only 10 of these ($4.80 per model!):

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When your "cannon fodder" units are so massively overpriced, you end up with your elites looking fething insanely priced.

What are the first models for? Bolt Action?

 Yonan wrote:
Yes they are over the top, like everything else GW. I love the insults and bashing of players by players in this thread, never fails to amaze.

Yeah, I don't get the vehemence of it, I really don't. I'm used to people giving eachother guff on youtube but this is a forum for tabletop wargaming, not politics! Came here for a bit of fun, exchanging ideas and to look at some of the incredible stuff posted up in the galleries, but I guess some individuals would sooner get their kicks putting other people down. Sad really.

 Yonan wrote:
Yes they are over the top, like everything else GW. I love the insults and bashing of players by players in this thread, never fails to amaze.

Apologists gonna apologise?

I built my GK army about two years back. Literally nothing has changed in the 5 man boxes (surprisingly; I expected an increase in price). The ten man box is, granted, about £5 cheaper.
So, consider that you might build an army entirely from scratch. You want a big one for this, a lot of GKs. You buy three ten man boxes.

You've saved: £15. Ok. Not bad on paper.

You've spent: £112.50. Hmm. Not so good. Because that's just troop choices.

Now, let's assume you're buying transports. A fair assumption, right? Rhinos are always nice. Two Rhinos: £50.

What about some Elites? A squad of Terminators, because that makes sense. £28.

Of course, we're forgetting or HQ. Now I'll go out on a limb and assume We're using either the Brother Captain or Crowe: £11

Throw in the codex too: £30.

So, we have our 3-6 Troop choices, Two transports, some Terminators and a HQ. Great, we can OBSec, and we have everything we need to play the game.

That'll be £231.50, vs 246.50

But hey, we saved £15 .

Ok, you can cut down the amount you buy. Do you really need 30 Grey Knight bodies? Let's assume two boxes will do. Our total is now £194, with a £10 saving. That's, what, just over 5% off?

Worth it... right?

My point is, OP is right, and would still have been right two years ago. Consider what you get above: an army with transports for the basic units with no real build in mind, no massive units or real play makers. No AA or real anti-armour. For just under £200, they have a solid(ish) start. A total of 28 models. And a book.

But it's all alright, because it's not as expensive as it could have been.

I mean, it's your money at the end of the day...

Edit: Oh, if someone could run the final numbers in dollars, that would be cool too. Might bump things into perspective for some of our friends across the pond.

If you're in Oz, I'm so sorry.

 TheKbob wrote:
What are the first models for? Bolt Action?

They are from Wargames Factory. I think most people use them for Bolt Action