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Im sorry, but according to my womens studies teacher, men cannot be sexually harrassed because they do not have someone holding their power over them because in the work place women hold no power.
I'm loving how although Jill apparently wondered ""why no one looked at her .. that way" that when your friend did, she reported it. I'd actually pretty much not talk to her at all, she sounds like trouble.
Hearing all this ' work at work' stuff makes me glad I work in small business where this crap doesn't exist. Hell, I think I sexually harass my boss sometimes , meh he finds it funny. I dunno work is supposed to be fun, how it remains fun when what you can say is restricted, I don't know, 'work at work ' sounds dull....really dull.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Im sorry, but according to my womens studies teacher, men cannot be sexually harrassed because they do not have someone holding their power over them because in the work place women hold no power.
That is all kinds of ridiculous. When I was younger I had a few innappropriate comments thrown my way, but ffs who cares.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Im sorry, but according to my womens studies teacher, men cannot be sexually harrassed because they do not have someone holding their power over them because in the work place women hold no power.
I've heard a lot of stupid things in my life, this rockets right up into the God-Tier of stupidity right away, and I go to university, I hear a lot of stupid gak.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Im sorry, but according to my womens studies teacher, men cannot be sexually harrassed because they do not have someone holding their power over them because in the work place women hold no power.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Im sorry, but according to my womens studies teacher, men cannot be sexually harrassed because they do not have someone holding their power over them because in the work place women hold no power.
The majority of bosses I have had in my professional career have been women, and at no point did I consider even a single one of them to "hold no power".
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Im sorry, but according to my womens studies teacher, men cannot be sexually harrassed because they do not have someone holding their power over them because in the work place women hold no power.
The majority of bosses I have had in my professional career have been women, and at no point did I consider even a single one of them to "hold no power".
hotsauceman1 wrote: Im sorry, but according to my womens studies teacher, men cannot be sexually harrassed because they do not have someone holding their power over them because in the work place women hold no power.
The majority of bosses I have had in my professional career have been women, and at no point did I consider even a single one of them to "hold no power".
Isn't that idea kind of sexist in itself and saying women are victims inherently? I mean "they hold no power idea"not what youi said ouze.
To be honest when I have worked in female dom inated work places (and I';ve worked a few) I found that innapropriate comments happen with as much frequency as male dominated work places, that's just people.
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Manchu - "But so what? The Bible also says the flood destroyed the world. You only need an allegorical boat to tackle an allegorical flood."
Shespits "Anything i see with YOLO has half naked eleventeen year olds Girls. And of course booze and drugs and more half naked elventeen yearolds Girls. O how i wish to YOLO again!"
Rubiksnoob "Next you'll say driving a stick with a Scandinavian supermodel on your lap while ripping a bong impairs your driving. And you know what, I'M NOT GOING TO STOP, YOU FILTHY COMMUNIST"
The appropriate response to the professors comment would have been to request that she check her privilege.
Bullockist wrote: To be honest when I have worked in female dom inated work places (and I';ve worked a few) I found that innapropriate comments happen with as much frequency as male dominated work places, that's just people.
I have found this to absolutely be true. The amount of inappropriate discussion has always tended to be greater in jobs with a younger workforce, rather than break down among gender lines, in my extremely anecdotal experience. Obviously every company culture is a bit different.
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Manchu - "But so what? The Bible also says the flood destroyed the world. You only need an allegorical boat to tackle an allegorical flood."
Shespits "Anything i see with YOLO has half naked eleventeen year olds Girls. And of course booze and drugs and more half naked elventeen yearolds Girls. O how i wish to YOLO again!"
Rubiksnoob "Next you'll say driving a stick with a Scandinavian supermodel on your lap while ripping a bong impairs your driving. And you know what, I'M NOT GOING TO STOP, YOU FILTHY COMMUNIST"
Bullockist wrote: To be honest when I have worked in female dom inated work places (and I';ve worked a few) I found that innapropriate comments happen with as much frequency as male dominated work places, that's just people.
I have found this to absolutely be true. The amount of inappropriate discussion has always tended to be greater in jobs with a younger workforce, rather than break down among gender lines, in my extremely anecdotal experience. Obviously every company culture is a bit different.
I too have found this to be true, but I work at a McDonald's, so its not like we care enough about our job amidoinitrite?
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Im sorry, but according to my womens studies teacher, men cannot be sexually harrassed because they do not have someone holding their power over them because in the work place women hold no power.
This is a common idea in academia. Those in the group with power cannot be the victim of 'isms'.
Of course it's absolute bunk , and legally bunk. So yourself a favor though and don't argue against it. The academic PC cop in your professor will become enraged. Just play the game, get your grade and move on. I made that mistake once about racism with an African-American Sociology professor once, and was near crucified for it. Dude started grading my papers worse, no one in his department would listen to me, and I had to drop the class.
I'm a fairly liberal person, but I learned a lot that day about what 'free thought' means to means to many academics...'you're free to agree with me'.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Im sorry, but according to my womens studies teacher, men cannot be sexually harrassed because they do not have someone holding their power over them because in the work place women hold no power.
Of course, even in this interesting world your women's studies teacher inhabits:
1. Others can still sue for creating a hostile work environment.
2. That can turn on a dime and you're out on your butt unless you have someone else (preferably female) with you at all times.
Note to hotsauceman, believe nothing your hothouse flower professors tell you.
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Ouze wrote: The appropriate response to the professors comment would have been to request that she check her privilege.
Bam.. SNAP!!!
Of course your grade will immediately become an F...
hotsauceman1 wrote: Im sorry, but according to my womens studies teacher, men cannot be sexually harrassed because they do not have someone holding their power over them because in the work place women hold no power.
This is a common idea in academia. Those in the group with power cannot be the victim of 'isms'.
Of course it's absolute bunk , and legally bunk. So yourself a favor though and don't argue against it. The academic PC cop in your professor will become enraged. Just play the game, get your grade and move on. I made that mistake once about racism with an African-American Sociology professor once, and was near crucified for it. Dude started grading my papers worse, no one in his department would listen to me, and I had to drop the class.
I'm a fairly liberal person, but I learned a lot that day about what 'free thought' means to means to many academics...'you're free to agree with me'.
I did that in a "woman and the law" class my last year of law school. It was me vs. 9 wimminz and one "wussified" male who did what he was told. Odds were almost even. It was the highlight of my final semester but strangely I only got a B.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Im sorry, but according to my womens studies teacher, men cannot be sexually harrassed because they do not have someone holding their power over them because in the work place women hold no power.
A couple months ago I did a weeks work trial in a small supermarket (I've since found an actual, better job).. ALL the staff members were girls/women, including the manager, deputy manager, supervisor...I was the only bloke there.
Who would you say had the power in that workplace, men or women?
hotsauceman1 wrote: Im sorry, but according to my womens studies teacher, men cannot be sexually harrassed because they do not have someone holding their power over them because in the work place women hold no power.
A couple months ago I did a weeks work trial in a small supermarket (I've since found an actual, better job).. ALL the staff members were girls/women, including the manager, deputy manager, supervisor...I was the only bloke there.
Who would you say had the power in that workplace, men or women?
Men. I believe we are still required to judge everything against 1950s society. Maybe in 2064, we'll be able to say that in a circumstance equivalent to your own, the women have the power.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Im sorry, but according to my womens studies teacher, men cannot be sexually harrassed because they do not have someone holding their power over them because in the work place women hold no power.
A couple months ago I did a weeks work trial in a small supermarket (I've since found an actual, better job).. ALL the staff members were girls/women, including the manager, deputy manager, supervisor...I was the only bloke there.
Who would you say had the power in that workplace, men or women?
Men. I believe we are still required to judge everything against 1950s society. Maybe in 2064, we'll be able to say that in a circumstance equivalent to your own, the women have the power.
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Horst wrote:This is how trolling happens. A few cheeky posts are made. Then they get more insulting. Eventually, we revert to our primal animal state, hurling feces at each other while shreeking with glee.
@Krellnus: Was an attempt at a joke about academia. When I was in college in the mid to late 90s in the US, academia was largely overrun by professors trapped iin the 60s, still fighting against 1950's culture....maybe things have changed in the last 15 years.
Oh yeah. As far as I understand, the process goes like this. If you are engaging in talk or other behavior of a sexual nature that makes another feel uncomfortable, they are supposed to tell you it makes them uncomfortale and ask you to stop, and inform your supervisor (or communicate their issue through their supervisor). If the behavior continues, you're more than likely going to get fired for it.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Im sorry, but according to my womens studies teacher, men cannot be sexually harrassed because they do not have someone holding their power over them because in the work place women hold no power.
The majority of bosses I have had in my professional career have been women, and at no point did I consider even a single one of them to "hold no power".
Isn't that idea kind of sexist in itself and saying women are victims inherently? I mean "they hold no power idea"not what youi said ouze.
To be honest when I have worked in female dom inated work places (and I';ve worked a few) I found that innapropriate comments happen with as much frequency as male dominated work places, that's just people.
No, because it is completely possible for a discrete group to be powerless in one situation, and it is not discrimination against them to recognise this.
However women of course are not inherently powerless in the workplace, even though they in general hold less power than men there.
The professor is wrong in law, though. Women can sexually harass men or women in the workplace.
Oh yeah. As far as I understand, the process goes like this. If you are engaging in talk or other behavior of a sexual nature that makes another feel uncomfortable, they are supposed to tell you it makes them uncomfortale and ask you to stop, and inform your supervisor (or communicate their issue through their supervisor). If the behavior continues, you're more than likely going to get fired for it.
Does anyone actually do this?
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Oh yeah. As far as I understand, the process goes like this. If you are engaging in talk or other behavior of a sexual nature that makes another feel uncomfortable, they are supposed to tell you it makes them uncomfortale and ask you to stop, and inform your supervisor (or communicate their issue through their supervisor). If the behavior continues, you're more than likely going to get fired for it.
Does anyone actually do this?
You bet your ass. Keep your fething mouth shut at work.
In my work experience, I have worked with two guys that have been fired for sexual harrassment. Presumably they could not have been fired without having gone through this process, so I'd say Yes.
I have also been through numerous trainings triggered by unspecified sexual harrassment incidents.
Many companies also have annual compliance training and new employee training. One of ours is a workplace harassment video which includes sexual harassment. At the end, you have to sign an electronic document for HR which shows you are aware and abide by these rules.
"I didn't know" no longer becomes an excuse. I have never worked anywhere in my 20+ years of work which didn't have this. Even my dumpy little park job when I was 14 had sexual harassment training.
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Who was wrong: Literally everyone else. For reals. Your friend and you spoke inappropriately about inappropriate subjects in the workplace, the woman also spoke about inappropriate subjects in the workplace, your friend sent a text soliciting sex, and that other manager guy spoke about a confidential subject to two strangers at a bar. All of you are/were wrong. Follow the level-headed advice that pops up in this thread about keeping your mouth shut and avoiding the woman as much as you can. Don't talk about chicks or sex with anyone at yor place of work (unless you work at a chicken farm or a porn studio) and avoid being alone in a room with this woman as hard as you can.
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Oh yeah. As far as I understand, the process goes like this. If you are engaging in talk or other behavior of a sexual nature that makes another feel uncomfortable, they are supposed to tell you it makes them uncomfortale and ask you to stop, and inform your supervisor (or communicate their issue through their supervisor). If the behavior continues, you're more than likely going to get fired for it.
Does anyone actually do this?
Yep. Not just sex, but anything that can reasonable make someone feel uncomfortable. Most companies will have a policy as part of their staff handbook.
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Tell management, make it a point to do so and let them know if it doesn't stop. It may be he said she said but if you don't get it on the record you are not doing yourself any favors.
jasper76 wrote: In my work experience, I have worked with two guys that have been fired for sexual harrassment. Presumably they could not have been fired without having gone through this process, so I'd say Yes.
My dad got to interview a guy trying to work at the same establishment as him (they didn't hire the guy, as he was weird... and a serious kind of weird)... Well, a couple weeks later, the manager at one of the home improvement stores (where the guy previously worked) came in for some golf stuff, and since no one was around the subject of "weird dude who used to work for you" came up. In the interview the guy had said that he left the store due to "conflicts of personality, and strained working environment" but the manager told the guys at my dad's work basically, this guy would see a woman walk in by herself, and usually "impose" his services on them, and usually ask them to go on a date, or their phone numbers, etc.... Well, a few co-workers saw, but didn't do anything right away, until one of the customers he did this to, found the manager and reported him.
*Yes, I know that it would be illegal for this manager to mention that story while they were in the process of deciding whether to hire him, but since they had already decided against it, he was under no obligation to say nothing bad about the dude.
In certain "extreme" cases, it's possibly to not go through a "warning" process.
*Yes, I know that it would be illegal for this manager to mention that story while they were in the process of deciding whether to hire him, but since they had already decided against it, he was under no obligation to say nothing bad about the dude.
In certain "extreme" cases, it's possibly to not go through a "warning" process.
As before, I am no expert on US employment law, but in the UK both of those are kind of incorrect. The first is personal information. There is still a case for privacy. The restrictions on what people say in references has nothing to do with saying nothing bad, but privacy of the parties involved, and ass covering, as the bar for firing someone is much lower than the bar for defamation.
It's not a matter of not going through the process, but that the process says that for gross misconduct no warning is needed. Kind of the difference between no tax and a zero rate of tax. The outcome may be the same, but the underlying principal is different.
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And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
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