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Just curious if anyone had heard anything about when Necrons will be getting an update. I do believe they are still stuck in 5th edition. I ask because I have just started necrons, not playing yet....just building and painting (I like my army to be painted before I play ). I just hate to buy the current codex if the new one is right around the corner haha!

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Have you looked in the News & Rumours forum lately?...

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There is no news, at least nothing we can trust.

I think Thud described it in the best way possible:
 Thud wrote:
Larry Vela wrote:Breaking news!

GW, having released 7 codexes in the first eight months of 2014, will release a new codex some time in the remaining four months. Probably. It will have the same format as the other 7th codexes, most likely, and may or may not be accompanied by new models.

Stay tuned for more!


Ps. You could probably get that Codex for 5-10 USD
That's how much I paid for my Codex!

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Rumour is they may get updated soon. Rumour is GW want all soft cover codices updated to hard cover.

If you are starting off on Necrons, I would avoid any huge purchases and just get your basics unless you actually want the models because you like them a lot.

Who knows what is going to change and what will get buffed or nerved. Sadly it's buyer beware right now for Necrons.

Just like buyer be ware for anyone who wants to start Dark Eldar and Blood Angels as well.

Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.

Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?

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Yeah... IG, they took away Marbo. SW, they nerfed Lukas and Njal into uselessness... I would refrain from buying anything new for any of the soft codexes...


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 Pyeatt wrote:
Yeah... IG, they took away Marbo. SW, they nerfed Lukas and Njal into uselessness... I would refrain from buying anything new for any of the soft codexes...

Eh, Lukas was not worth the points before, he's toned down now but to a level where I'd say he's worth consideration. Njal's a bit of a conundrum to me though, he's much worse than before, but seems like he might still be worth consideration still, especially if you run Tempestas powers.

   
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After the trainwreck of tyranids and orks do you REALLY have high hopes that your necrons wont eat the NPC race nerf bat??

warhammer 40k mmo. If I can drive an ork trukk into the back of a space marine dread and explode in a fireball of epic, I can die happy!

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I actually didn't mind the Ork codex at all. Im a non tournament player and I quite enjoy it. Personally it works well for me.

As for necrons, I just hate to buy the current 5th edition if 7ths is coming out soon.... I don't really know what to expect for changes.

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I hope they never ever update it if 7th edition Orks and Tyranids are a indication of "updates".

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Yes. In a few months... Maybe.

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Looking at 40k only, DE is next, then BA, then necrons, then MAYBE inqusition/SoB hardbacks.

So necrons getting an update in about 3-5 months.

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I hope not....don't f up my beautiful Mat Ward codex, GW.

Well, do whatever you want with the fluff, but stay away from the rules!
   
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Virginia

 jasper76 wrote:
I hope not....don't f up my beautiful Mat Ward codex, GW.

Well, do whatever you want with the fluff, but stay away from the rules!


I feel the same way. I like most of the rules the way they are, and would be happy if they just changed some units to be cheaper/worth their points.

However, I would be highly upset if we get a release like GK. I want at least one new model, to keep with the trend of big bad MCs....


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Hollismason wrote:
I hope they never ever update it if 7th edition Orks and Tyranids are a indication of "updates".


Orks was overall a good book. And Tyranids aren't that bad off, they just have some bad internal balance along the lines of obvious "auto-include" options.


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 Orock wrote:
After the trainwreck of tyranids and orks do you REALLY have high hopes that your necrons wont eat the NPC race nerf bat??


Man, why is everyone hating on Orks? I can understand Tyranids, but Orks? They got a much stronger codex.

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OFC necron players like the mat ward rules....
The contain some of the most undercosted units in the game.

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 BoomWolf wrote:
OFC necron players like the mat ward rules....
The contain some of the most undercosted units in the game.


Or they saw what happened to GK and realize a ton of rules are going to be butchered while Eldar laugh with their battle focus, wave serpents, and wraithknights.
   
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Eldar came out with a wake up call ringed at GW that they have to tone stuff down.
Anyway, nothing was butchered from GK codex that was not expected to happen LONG ago, and wasn't justified.
Salvo cannons? we knew it the moment we saw salvo in 6th rulebook, other similar "different when moving or standing" guns like the DE one will follow.
Driago LoW? was expected. no more troop paladins? also expected, they shift away from "troopify stuff"
Inqusition and assassins pulled out? anyone DIDNT see it coming? why on earth were they in GK to begin with?
No new kits? what are they MISSING exactly? they got pretty much anything that the GK use in fluff at the codex.
Psybolt ammo? because "+1S because mind bullets" had a point? good riddance.

Sure, "pure GK" has less options now. but have you looked at 7th? IoM really, REALLY don't care about mixing subfactions. and you can run nearly the same armies with just picking up units from GK, inq and ass. (and before anyone cries "so I have to buy three books", you can play without paying for the book and you know how, if you refuse to pay it)

As for "gutted at power level"
Hello? 33 point terminator BoP with force weapons, as troops? any other marine army is jealous.
Strikes? its tacticals with 4PPM BoP, storm bolter and force weapon upgrade. that's a steal. interceptors? its assault marines with better team guns and the ability to teleport across the field.
MOST units in the codex are very cheap compared to the upgrade they pile on top of "codex marines" comparisons. and their libby and NDK are nothing but amazing. relics are good, army-wide good weapon upgrades, characters kick ass and every slot got something of value.

Its a very, VERY solid codex, and CSM with all its shopping list, as well as DA with all their gimmieks are drooling at it.

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Psybolt ammo? because "+1S because mind bullets" had a point? good riddance.


Removing options is terrible idea, specially one that has been around since the incarnation of the GK, while also nerfing the Nemesis weapons and just making them similar to friggen frost weapons.



Its a very, VERY solid codex, and CSM with all its shopping list, as well as DA with all their gimmieks are drooling at it.


..As a CSM player I really don't enjoy seeing codex's gutted, I have no clue why you would even think that otherwise.
   
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If theres anything to judge from the newer codices necrons are going to get the nerf bat hard. Space wolves lost almost all of their unique wargear options while the remaining were nerfed to death. MSS wont be in the new dex for example. And even if they are they will be massively nerfed.
Dont expect any cool rule a unique character may now have to be in the new codex.

I expect the 7th edition codices to work well with each other so far. Tough luck that they will release 8th edition LONG before all codices are updated to 7th.

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 Orock wrote:
After the trainwreck of tyranids and orks do you REALLY have high hopes that your necrons wont eat the NPC race nerf bat??


Guys...just because the tyranids didn't get updated the way the tyranid fanbase wanted doesn't mean it's a bad book. If it struggles at all, it's against eldar and tau, who can be tough matchups for every other codex out there. The tyranids compete well against most other codecies and, too be honest, would be looked at as OP if they were improved by any noticable margin.

So...feel free to keep the negative propoganda train going down the track, but for those of us that have accepted the new codex for what it is and can do...we're happy to win most of our matchups with the new book, warts and all.

I don't own the new ork codex yet...but those who have embraced it are loving life as well. Possible connection??
   
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You don't get it void.

For the fanboys, if your new codex is not the top tier codex that beats everyone without an effort-its a bad codex.

The fact its perfectly equal and fair game against 80% of the post-6th codcies is meaningless, you have to judge codex value by the strongest one out there, and that alone.

I mean, looking at nids and orks who were said here to be "bad", would any of the two had the slightest problem to be competitive once you fix the few OBVIOUS balance errors in the "high tier" codcies? (for tau for example, nerf the HYMP and the IA-these two guns alone hold the codex as the high tier it is.)

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 Voidwraith wrote:
 Orock wrote:
After the trainwreck of tyranids and orks do you REALLY have high hopes that your necrons wont eat the NPC race nerf bat??


Guys...just because the tyranids didn't get updated the way the tyranid fanbase wanted doesn't mean it's a bad book. If it struggles at all, it's against eldar and tau, who can be tough matchups for every other codex out there. The tyranids compete well against most other codecies and, too be honest, would be looked at as OP if they were improved by any noticable margin.

So...feel free to keep the negative propoganda train going down the track, but for those of us that have accepted the new codex for what it is and can do...we're happy to win most of our matchups with the new book, warts and all.

I don't own the new ork codex yet...but those who have embraced it are loving life as well. Possible connection??


The only person I know who has thought the Ork codex was bad was my friend, but I feel he was looking for an excuse to get out of the game anyway. Orks and a solid codex, with very good internal balance. They just might be a little trickier to play effectively, sure. So are Tyranids, and while Tyranids have terrible internal balance, they're not bad, at all. I've actually played non-net lists of Nids and played against good net lists of Tau, and won by a large margin.

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You dont tone things down AFTER making two codexes into a rapefest. Thats just messing up game balance.


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I would expect nightscythes to go up in cost about 20 points.

flayed ones will still suck.

Triarch praetorians will become amazing, as with the triarch stalker and destroyers.
   
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 Pyeatt wrote:
You dont tone things down AFTER making two codexes into a rapefest. Thats just messing up game balance.


Yes, you do.

The other option is codex creep, who is worse.


Make new codcies as if the mistakes never happened. then when you get back to them, fix the mistakes.

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 BoomWolf wrote:
 Pyeatt wrote:
You dont tone things down AFTER making two codexes into a rapefest. Thats just messing up game balance.


Yes, you do.

The other option is codex creep, who is worse.


Make new codcies as if the mistakes never happened. then when you get back to them, fix the mistakes.


While the entire meta is broken for 4+ years, yeah that's gonna make people happy to end up being on the weakest of the weak.

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Necrons are coming, but nobody is really sure when. The ork and SW book are at least internally balanced. It's no longer rune priest, GH, long fangs and spam as many of those as you can to get to your point limit. There is a reason to take Ulrik over a wolf priest. There's a reason to throw in some BC instead of 6 units of GH. Yes they lost some cool war gear but they also gained relics. Crons will probably get more of a nerf because they're a higher tier army right now and they have a bunch of stuff that was mediocre in 5th but is now kind of OP. And did I really just hear a necron player complaining about needing a MC?! You have fething transcendent c'tan! Possibly the most broken thing in 40k that isn't a $300+ FW kit. Put c'tan up against equal points in riptides, wraithknights or flyrants, I know who my money is on.
   
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Toofast wrote:
Necrons are coming, but nobody is really sure when. The ork and SW book are at least internally balanced. It's no longer rune priest, GH, long fangs and spam as many of those as you can to get to your point limit. There is a reason to take Ulrik over a wolf priest. There's a reason to throw in some BC instead of 6 units of GH. Yes they lost some cool war gear but they also gained relics. Crons will probably get more of a nerf because they're a higher tier army right now and they have a bunch of stuff that was mediocre in 5th but is now kind of OP. And did I really just hear a necron player complaining about needing a MC?! You have fething transcendent c'tan! Possibly the most broken thing in 40k that isn't a $300+ FW kit. Put c'tan up against equal points in riptides, wraithknights or flyrants, I know who my money is on.


Yeah, I'd bet on one of our Lords of War beating those units too.

Our regular C'tan Shard is our MC, and I'd rather that it get buffed with some new powers than get a new MC altogether.

Spyders are MCs too, of course, but I don't know if they really need anything. Gloom Prism being more useful would be nice but I won't hold my breath.

At any rate, the Necron Codex doesn't need more new unit entries. We have a lot of generally unimpressive units that need to be touched up first.

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All I want is COOL FLAYED ONES PLS GW GIVE ME A REASON TO FIELD THEM GOD.

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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the_scotsman wrote:
All I want is COOL FLAYED ONES PLS GW GIVE ME A REASON TO FIELD THEM GOD.


Lol, this ^^. Also, I want a reason to use both of my C'Tans.....

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Flayed ones are pretty good if you are running dark harvest...

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