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Does anyone else find it extremely annoying that General Grevious went from the most powerful general in the entire galaxy and holds his own against 6 Jedi (circa the Clone Wars Minisieries) to a stupid, knock-off villain who essentially fails at everything he does (the most recent Clone Wars animated series)?
Actually, I see it the other way round. In the first CW anime series, he was completely awesome (although upstaged by the gunship emptying a million million weapons into him!). In the recent version, he may lose a lot in the grand scheme (mainly because SW is about the good guys winning) but he wins most 1v1 fights he's in. He takes a back seat to Maul in the later series, but I can live with that.
Which is why it makes no sense that he died in about ten minutes in RotS!
He's not a droid, he's a cyborg. And the reason he sucks in the movie is because Lucas didn't like that the cartoon made a character more popular than his. By his nature in the cartoon he has to get weaker over time though, as he's supposed to rely on terror and unconventional weird stuff to stand a chance against Force wielding Jedi, which they'd naturally just get used to as they fight him more.
Daemonhammer wrote: Never really liked Grevious, i didnt understand if they made one why couldnt they make more of like him?
Also since he is a droid he should be easily defeated with the force.
Which is ironic, because he was. His lungs got screwed because the ribcage housing them got crushed inwards by a force push, thus his "coughing" and such in the third movie.
Daemonhammer wrote: Never really liked Grevious, i didnt understand if they made one why couldnt they make more of like him?
That was my main problem with him too.
I mean, Darth Vader is a cyborg, but he has years of training and a mastery of the force. You can't mass produce those qualities. Grievous on the other hand just had spinning arms. Plus, his stupid name, his late introduction, and the fact that he had no impact on the plot don't help much. That said, I loved his portrayal in the Revenge of the Sith novelization. I just love that book in general, if only because it defied my expectations so much. I was expecting it to just be complete garbage like the movie it was based on.
He was the victim of a bombing arranged by Dooku to turn him into the perfect weapon.
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Paradigm wrote: In the recent version, he may lose a lot in the grand scheme (mainly because SW is about the good guys winning) but he wins most 1v1 fights he's in.
Does he?
I haven't seen most of the Clone Wars episodes, but the episodes I have seen shows him running away from Obi-Wan, failing to defeat Ashouka, running away from Kit Fisto and getting defeated and captured by Gungans.
edit- As far as why he sucked in the movie, basically he was created to be a badass in the cartoon, but his quad-bladed fighting style was too complicated for the movie's choreographers to design a decent dueling scene. Thus, the crap we got in Return of the Sith, along with him getting disarmed down to a more manageable two blades fairly quickly.
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Daemonhammer wrote: Never really liked Grevious, i didnt understand if they made one why couldnt they make more of like him?
Also since he is a droid he should be easily defeated with the force.
Which is ironic, because he was. His lungs got screwed because the ribcage housing them got crushed inwards by a force push, thus his "coughing" and such in the third movie.
The crushing was added because of the coughing, not the other way around, though. Lucas had him coughing as a result of the cyborg process being faulty. The cartoon added the crush because they didn't know about the coughing until it was too late to change it(they had already started airing before finding out).
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That version was just ok.
The CG one was better overall. The stylized animation of the first one was... odd.
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The CG one was better overall. The stylized animation of the first one was... odd.
I found both to be pretty decent, the CG one had far better characterization as well, though the stylized animation had some better action scenes due to the animation style, really fluid and fast.
Yeah. The style of the Microseries was superb. The later CG series on the other hand was just bland, even though it was based on the design of the Microseries
I've said this before. I enjoyed the CG series a great deal, and it has some excellent high points (the evolution of Ashoka & Ventris, decent of Anikin, the clones developing identities, and more), and I do recommend it to SW fans, but it also has some truly terrible low points (most stuff that dealt with the Force directly, bringing back Maul, Jar Jar's impressive ability to accidentally get Jedi killed, and more).
ZebioLizard2 wrote: Which is ironic, because he was. His lungs got screwed because the ribcage housing them got crushed inwards by a force push, thus his "coughing" and such in the third movie.
Force push is a funny way of saying force crush / choke. Which i think is a forbidden power for the jedi.
No such thing as a forbidden power in-universe. The games like Knights of the Old Republic have such clear-cut restrictions for the sake of game mechanics, but within the Star wars universe it's the intent and circumstances behind the use of a power that determines whether you're treading dark side or light. To wit, earlier in the series, before we see Mace crush Greivous' lungs, Obi-Wan uses the same ability to crush a few people's guns, and some battle droids. No big deal. Luke even uses the force to choke a Gammorean to death in Return of the Jedi.
There are some abilities that can only be performed with the dark side, like conjuring lightning, but that isn't because they're forbidden by the Jedi so much as they're literally manifested by harnessing dark side emotions. Force lighting is basically hatred and rage given physical form.
EDIT- And regarding the '05 Clone Wars vs. CGI Clone Wars, while the latter may have (allegedly) hit its stride (both commercially and artistically) in the last two seasons, that doesn't make up for the abysmal first-half of its existence. The micro-series was less ambitious and complex than the CGI series, but it was also much more consistently good. Gendy Tartovsky's style really fit the era well.
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There are some abilities that can only be performed with the dark side, like conjuring lightning, but that isn't because they're forbidden by the Jedi so much as they're literally manifested by harnessing dark side emotions. Force lighting is basically hatred and rage given physical form.
The Jedi did debate the application of certain force powers, but Mace Windu's character is one who struggles with the dark side (it's why Mace was always distrustful and cautious around Anakin), so to seem him go farther than many other Jedi is very in character for him.
We don't talk about EJ, man. Or Luke's emerald lightning. These things are otiose in a logically consistent Universe.
Mace is demonstrably the darkest Jedi in the prequel era, besides Anakin I guess. It raises a question on why exactly Vapaad is even allowed, considering that it literally works by harnessing your own potential dark side tendencies.
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Mace is demonstrably the darkest Jedi in the prequel era, besides Anakin I guess. It raises a question on why exactly Vapaad is even allowed, considering that it literally works by harnessing your own potential dark side tendencies.
Not to mention that of the three Vapaad masters, two turned to the dark side
"You can't screw, talk to your parents or enter a relationship because these things may lead to the dark side. Utilizing a fighting style that involves bathing yourself in the hatey juices of your own self-loathing and rage is totes cool though."
