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 Kanluwen wrote:
Then Undead Legions and Lore of Undeath cannot be used outside of the scenarios presented in Warhammer: Nagash.

As written that is correct, just people are not as vocal to that as they are to the percentage thing. The whole book is nothing but a collection of rules that allows you to recreate the events in the End Times Story line (the other book).

 quickfuze wrote:
It is listed under Choosing an army, which is listed under Armies of the End Times...like this

A - Chapter: Armies of the End Times
B - Paragraph: Choosing an Army
C - Sentence: These percentages yada yada yada

But the campaign isn't labeled The End Times. And both the army list and the lore are very specific in that they can be used in ANY game of warhammer.

 HawaiiMatt wrote:

 quickfuze wrote:
It is listed under Choosing an army, which is listed under Armies of the End Times...like this

A - Chapter: Armies of the End Times
B - Paragraph: Choosing an Army
C - Sentence: These percentages yada yada yada

But the campaign isn't labeled The End Times. And both the army list and the lore are very specific in that they can be used in ANY game of warhammer.

The whole book is a Campaign...that's why its sold in the Campaign section and not in the Rules and Expansions section of the Website. It doesn't differentiate because none of it is meant for normal WHFB games, only normal End Times games.

 quickfuze wrote:

 HawaiiMatt wrote:

 quickfuze wrote:
It is listed under Choosing an army, which is listed under Armies of the End Times...like this

A - Chapter: Armies of the End Times
B - Paragraph: Choosing an Army
C - Sentence: These percentages yada yada yada

But the campaign isn't labeled The End Times. And both the army list and the lore are very specific in that they can be used in ANY game of warhammer.

The whole book is a Campaign...that's why its sold in the Campaign section and not in the Rules and Expansions section of the Website. It doesn't differentiate because none of it is meant for normal WHFB games, only normal End Times games.

Actually, it is sold in the "Rules and Expansions" section of the website.

It's also sold in the "Campaign" section.

 quickfuze wrote:

 HawaiiMatt wrote:

 quickfuze wrote:
It is listed under Choosing an army, which is listed under Armies of the End Times...like this

A - Chapter: Armies of the End Times
B - Paragraph: Choosing an Army
C - Sentence: These percentages yada yada yada

But the campaign isn't labeled The End Times. And both the army list and the lore are very specific in that they can be used in ANY game of warhammer.

The whole book is a Campaign...that's why its sold in the Campaign section and not in the Rules and Expansions section of the Website. It doesn't differentiate because none of it is meant for normal WHFB games, only normal End Times games.

And the new units are in the vampire section and the tomb king section. I don't think where it lands in the website has anything to do with how the rules of it are applied.

Oh and just for fun?
The Nagash book also is in "Narrative and Background".

If 50% lords/heroes became the norm I would seriously stop playing. That's just silly for some armies, some like the VC make more sense. in a 2500 point game I'm not spending 1.25k on beastmen lords. Huh Now that I think about it. Doom Bulls, doom bulls everywhere.

Still i think it falls to what you and your opponent agree on, since 100% of this game does.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 quickfuze wrote:

 HawaiiMatt wrote:

 quickfuze wrote:
It is listed under Choosing an army, which is listed under Armies of the End Times...like this

A - Chapter: Armies of the End Times
B - Paragraph: Choosing an Army
C - Sentence: These percentages yada yada yada

But the campaign isn't labeled The End Times. And both the army list and the lore are very specific in that they can be used in ANY game of warhammer.

The whole book is a Campaign...that's why its sold in the Campaign section and not in the Rules and Expansions section of the Website. It doesn't differentiate because none of it is meant for normal WHFB games, only normal End Times games.

Actually, it is sold in the "Rules and Expansions" section of the website.

It's also sold in the "Campaign" section.

If someone came up to me with an end times army, I'd either set up my gunline dwarves full off 1200 points of runesmiths with spellbreakers, 600 points of quarrellers with great weapons, and organ guns/cannons/grudge throwers to fill it out.

Or my triple banishment Empire Gunline.

Or my Dwellers+Final Trans+Purple Sun Dark Elves. (Which happens to be all fast cav and fights 0 combat, and is all shooting. And has bolt throwers.)

Or my Teclis+Alarielle BoTWD High Elves.

Failing that, I'd just refuse to play. I play by the terms set out in the rulebook. Not a supplement.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

It's also sold in the "Campaign" section.


If someone came up to me with an end times army, I'd either set up my gunline dwarves full off 1200 points of runesmiths with spellbreakers, 600 points of quarrellers with great weapons, and organ guns/cannons/grudge throwers to fill it out.

Or my triple banishment Empire Gunline.

Or my Dwellers+Final Trans+Purple Sun Dark Elves. (Which happens to be all fast cav and fights 0 combat, and is all shooting. And has bolt throwers.)

Or my Teclis+Alarielle BoTWD High Elves.

Failing that, I'd just refuse to play. I play by the terms set out in the rulebook. Not a supplement.

I mean, as much as I'm for someone bringing stuff to deal with Nagash, it's at that point you just mentioned where I wouldn't even field him, because you would obviously win. I like to play him mainly for the cinematic purposes anyway, not competitively.

Warhammer: Nagash Book 2 is a 96-page volume that contains new scenarios and rules based on the events in Warhammer: Nagash Book 1. It includes the full rules that will allow you to field Nagash and his loyal subjects - along with all-new rules for some of the most powerful heroes of the Old World, such as Valten and Vlad von Carstein - in your games of Warhammer.

Armies of the End Times can also field more Lords - up to 50% - and the brand new spell lore - The Lore of Undeath - allows every wizard, mage and sorcerer to wield the fell magic unleashed by Nagash. There are also army lists that allow you to create a unified army of Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts known as the Undead Legion.

Source:

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer-Nagash-English

The way it's written, at least in the product description, makes this definitely sound like a campaign rules book.

Kind of like Forge World rules IMHO. If you roll up with Tamurkhan not everyone is going to let you play it. Chaos Dwarfs have gained a lot of acceptance because they aren't OP (and are maybe a bit UP).

 DukeRustfield wrote:

Warhammer: Nagash Book 2 is a 96-page volume that contains new scenarios and rules based on the events in Warhammer: Nagash Book 1. It includes the full rules that will allow you to field Nagash and his loyal subjects - along with all-new rules for some of the most powerful heroes of the Old World, such as Valten and Vlad von Carstein - in your games of Warhammer.

Armies of the End Times can also field more Lords - up to 50% - and the brand new spell lore - The Lore of Undeath - allows every wizard, mage and sorcerer to wield the fell magic unleashed by Nagash. There are also army lists that allow you to create a unified army of Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts known as the Undead Legion.

Source:
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer-Nagash-English
The way it's written, at least in the product description, makes this definitely sound like a campaign rules book.

Page 4 and 5 tell you how to use the book.

Along with all of the other sections of this book, it is intended for use both with the scenarios presented herein, and in any other games of Warhammer you would like to use it for.

Further down,

This is highly appropriate; as a result of Nagash's return, neither the Warhammer world, or the Warhammer battles that you fight, will ever be quite the same again!

Yes, the book does have a campaign in it. It also tells use to use all the rules now, because Nagash changed the warhammer world.

Someone pointed this out above I believe but:

you would like to use it for

That is optional. You can use any rules you would like to, including storm of magic, tamurkhan, house rules, etc. The question is, what is official. It would be kind of odd for them to say, "it is intended for use with the scenarios here AND NOWHERE ELSE NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES." But the Army Books say stuff like they are the definitive guide to army for use in WHFB. The BRB says to reference the Warhammer Armies books.

Tamurkhan has all kinds of rules about Chaos including creating an army of Beastmen/WoC/DoC. But it also warns that it's about having fun and not "winning at all costs."

I mean, it's my opinion that GW doesn't really like being all set in stone with their rules anyway. Hence the relative quiet on FAQs. The most important rule is named that because it represents (again, IMHO) their core philosophy in that this isn't a super tactical war simulation. There's goblins swinging cannonballs and ogres on big cats.

tl;dr, I don't think you're going to find wording to say Official. The quote you gave certainly isn't such.

 HawaiiMatt wrote:

 DukeRustfield wrote:

Warhammer: Nagash Book 2 is a 96-page volume that contains new scenarios and rules based on the events in Warhammer: Nagash Book 1. It includes the full rules that will allow you to field Nagash and his loyal subjects - along with all-new rules for some of the most powerful heroes of the Old World, such as Valten and Vlad von Carstein - in your games of Warhammer.

Armies of the End Times can also field more Lords - up to 50% - and the brand new spell lore - The Lore of Undeath - allows every wizard, mage and sorcerer to wield the fell magic unleashed by Nagash. There are also army lists that allow you to create a unified army of Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts known as the Undead Legion.

Source:
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer-Nagash-English
The way it's written, at least in the product description, makes this definitely sound like a campaign rules book.

Page 4 and 5 tell you how to use the book.

Along with all of the other sections of this book, it is intended for use both with the scenarios presented herein, and in any other games of Warhammer you would like to use it for.

Further down,

This is highly appropriate; as a result of Nagash's return, neither the Warhammer world, or the Warhammer battles that you fight, will ever be quite the same again!

Yes, the book does have a campaign in it. It also tells use to use all the rules now, because Nagash changed the warhammer world.

It does not say you have to use the new rules. It says that the new rules are used for the new scenarios and "any other games of Warhammer you would like to use it for". It is an option. That means that for regular games the old rules still apply, and that makes sense as Nagash, within the Warhammer world has only about a year. So for any battle set in any other time period of the worlds 8000+ history you would use the old rules as it makes no sense for Lizardmen and Skaven wizards during their first war to be able to raise the dead. It also means that if you want to have a battle set after the return of Nagash it is appropriate to use the new rules as it said he has changed everything.

As a side note to all of this what most people seem to forget is that the new 50% rules were obviously made for Nagash and the new Mortarchs. I mean using the old rules to use the new Mortarchs you would have to run a 2600 point game and to use Nagash you would need to play a 4000 point game. Don't forget GW is still a business that needs to make money and most of that comes from the sale of models and I guarantee you that any casual player who looks at Nagash and sees his 1000 point price and realizes that he would have to play a game that huge is very unlikely to buy it, but if they create new rules that allow him to be played in a smaller 2000 point game it is much more likely that people will buy and use the model.

Well, even I'll say that fluff isn't a good enough reason to exclude him. There's all kinds of SC's in the army books who only exist for a tiny fraction of the game's timeline. You either have to come up with other fluff or use the old Star Trek cliche and time travel somehow.