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If you could max out one FOC would any codex be able you beat the Blood Angles? It seems that 6 squads of 30 jet packed death company would thunder hammers would be rather fierce, Not I don't know all the codexs so I was curious about this after having this discussion with a friend of mine. So no points limit just confined to one FOC. Who is the toughest?

Imperial Knights...6 knights all with battle cannons would make short work of those packed in mobs of power armour (12 S8 AP3 pie plates a turn)

6 maxed out IG platoons. Something like 600-700 guardsmen?

I feel they would struggle against a lot of AP2/3 large blasts

How would 60 d scythe wraithguard handle them?

15 Thanatar Siege Automata and 30 Castellax Battle Automata.

That's 180 Str 6 AP3 shots per turn at BS5 and -1 to cover saves from the Castellaxi.

That's 45 Str 6 AP3 shots per turn at BS5 and twin linked, with -1 to cover saves from the Thanatars.

That's also 15 Str 8 AP2 large blast ordnance barrage weapons that make you re-roll your cover saves at -1, and again that's the Thanatars.

And when you get into combat, it's 60 Str 6 AP2 attacks per round from the castellaxi (ignoring cybertheurgy and assuming they dont charge) and 30 Str 8 AP2 attacks from the Thanatars (again ignoring cybertheurgy and charge bonuses).

Also, they all have Rampage.

Elysian drop troops win this easily. Every squad in a platoon can take a dedicated Valkyrie, so that's 95 flyers of various types in a single FOC in addition to thousands of infantry models. Coincidentally, the Elysians also win the "how many points can you spend on a single FOC" contest by a pretty solid margin.

Considering blood angels have the worst win percent at GTs in 6th and 7th edition, I'm pretty sure every codex has a list that can beat blood angels. As a SW player I would just take a stormfang and 3 squads of missile long fangs. Large and small templates everywhere. Imperial knights could make short work of that list. Tau riptides, eldar d scythes, IG tanks, dark eldar speedy poison weapons could just keep poisoning them and staying out of assault range, sisters would Flamer them to death, orks would overwhelm them with bodies, nidzilla could beat them, daemon factories would put out more target units than they could handle in assault. With all the cheese that exists in this game, anything you can come up with from the blood angel codex is not only beatable, it's bottom tier.

3x Vendettas. Can't hurt what you can't hit.

Toofast wrote:
Considering blood angels have the worst win percent at GTs in 6th and 7th edition, I'm pretty sure every codex has a list that can beat blood angels.

I think you missed the point of this thread. This isn't a normal game we're talking about, you get a single FOC and unlimited points. Your Stormfang and missile squads would be overwhelmed by 20,000 points of angry jump infantry simply because you can't pack obscene amounts of points in a single unit or break the game with MSU options that get multiple units from a single FOC slot. Same with things like Riptides, you aren't going to win this game when you only spend ~250 points in an FOC slot.

I wonder how 6 maxed Imperial Guard Infantry Platoons would do against it.. That is 828 angry guardsmen. But you also said a maxed FOC against that so that also adds about 15 Leman Russ (3 squads of 3 for Heavy Support and 2 Tank Commanders with 2 extra Leman Russ each) And then we still got Fast Attack and Elite to add stuff to...

Max FOC ehh.

Calgar, Tigirius, 3 honor guard squads with banners and empty pods, 2 techmarines, attatched to 1 command squad/w plasma, apoth, storm shields, power fists, and melta bombs in a pod (attatch calgar and tiggy to them).

6 tac squads/w melta/multi-melta/combi-melta/melta bomb vet serg's /w power mauls in drop pods.

3 assault squads/w plasma pistols and vet sergeants/w plasma pistol, power weapons and melta bombs.

3 6 man centaurian dev squads/w grav and missles with dedicated land raider redeemers/w multi meltas and extra armor. The honor guard get inside the land raiders turn 1.


its not unbeatable, but would sure as hell be fun to see and play.

I'd take 60 wraithguard, 3 Hemlock Wraithfighters and 3 Wraithknights with suncannons.
D-Scythes erase Space Marines.
Would it work. Not likely but it would be fun taking all those DC off just from overwatch.
I left out 10 Spiritseers and 10 warlocks. That's alot of psychic shrieks and potential invisibilities. The warlocks are just for power dice though. I like my chances even more now.

You are all WAAAAAYYY off.

Obvoisly 3x6 Spore Mine Clusters will destroy anything outright fairly easily...

Hmm.

Chapter Tactics - Iron Hands (Clan Raukaan)
HQs
Chapter Master - Gorgon Chain, TH, LC, Bike, Digi, Melta.
*Libby - Bike, Mindforge Stave, Digi, Melta (Rolling on Bio)
*Libby - Termi, SS, Mind Forge Stave, Digi, Melta (Rolling on bio)
(*I don't know which I'd prefer)

No slot
10-man Honour Guard Squad - Power Axes + Banner (That's 5 attacks each on the charge) Champion can take a TH. With a Drop pod (Deathwind). They might ride inside of it.
Command Squad with an Apoth, all on bikes. All Vets running Grav Guns, TH, SS, & Melta Bombs.
4x Techmarine, each with a Servo Harness, Melta Bombs, Bike, and LC
4x 5-man squads of servitors, all with servo arms (auto-repairing 4 vehicles a turn since I automatically pass Blessing of the Omnissiah with this many arms)

Troops:
6x 8-man bike squads with Grav Guns and a Multi-Melta Attack Bike. Vet Sgts (of course) with a Lightning Claw & MB

Elites;
3x 8-man TH/SS Termis, all with a LRC Dedicated Transport with Extra Armour, Multi-Melta, Storm Bolter & Hunter Killer.

Fast Attack:
3x 8-man bike squads with Grav Guns and a Multi-Melta Attack Bike. Vet Sgts (of course) with a Lightning Claw & MB

Heavy Support;
3x 6-man Cent Squads with Gravcannon & Amps. Omniscope for the Sgt. All with a LRC Dedicated Transport with Extra Armour, Multi-Melta, Storm Bolter & Hunter Killer.

I wouldn't bother with a fortification.
I guess *if* I took a LoW, I'd bring a knight. (IIRC they are allowed to be taken as such, right?)

Make peace with your gods.

On a serious note, I feel this might well **** up 180 Power Armour jump-packs.

Edit: Modifying bits I realised I forgot.

Edit again: For what it's worth, and for those wondering, this list is exactly 8937 points.

I still think it is blood angel.

Because you can take 6 x 30 death company AND 6 dreadnought. For just troop choice alone.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
3x Vendettas. Can't hurt what you can't hit.

yep. to be even more effective, a lot of Barracudas. S8 AP3 pie plates galore!

Tbf you didn't max out the BA list.

Hq:
Mephiston

Dante
Honour guard with infernus pistols, death masks, powerfists and chapter banner

Elites:
Corbulo (with mephiston)
2 sanguinary priests with dual thunderhammers and jumppacks

2 x 10 assault terminators with th/ss
2 x landraider crusader with multimelta + all the extras

Troops:
6 x 30 deathcompany marines with dual thunderhammers + jump packs
6 x Landraider crusaders with multimeltas + all the extras

Fast attack:
3 x 10 vanguard veterans all with jumpacks plasma pistols and power axes
3 x landraider crusaders with mulitimeltas + all the extras

Heavy support:
3 x Stormraven with hurricane bolters, tl mms, tl acs + all the extras

LOW:
Reaver Titan with as many D weapons as possible + every possible upgrade

Fortification:
Macro cannon.


This is without using IA:2.



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Any maxed out FOC can beat 180death co... but try beating this when properly using the rules you stated...


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Thats 11 landraiders as dedicated transports in case anyone missed it. That combined with the ridiculous nature of 180 jp dual th wielding DC should take it as who else can take 11 av14 (all round) 4hp DTs?
Obviously the LRs are all empty except from maybe 3 combat squadded termi assault squads and mephy+ corbs hopping in one...


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In fact... the VVs would probably fare better with th/ss.

You just missed death company dreadnought.

For every 5 death company you can add dreadnought in squad.

Its not in the squad, it counts as an extra troops choice.


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A list that may be able to beat it:

AM: (all vehicles are upgraded with all the extras)

Hq:
Pask punisher with lascannon, mms
2 vanquishers with lascannons and mms

Tank comander in punisher with lascannons and mms
2 demolishers with lascannons and mms

3 priests with plasma guns
3 psykers
3 enginseers with meltabombs, 2 plasma cannon servitors each, 3 normal servitors each
6 commissars with plasma pistols and powerfists

Elites:
3 x MT command squad with 4 plasma guns and a plasma pistol
9 x 10man MT scions with 2 plasma guns and a plasma pistol
12 Taurox primes withTaurox ML and autocannon

Troops:
6 x platoon command squad with powerfist, melta bombs, lascannon and 2 plasma guns, vox
30 x infantry squads with poweraxes, meltabombs, krak granades, lascannon and plasma gun, vox
30 x heavy weapons squads with lascannons
18 x special weapons squads with demo charges
36 x chimeras

Fast attack
3 x 3 vendettas

Heavy support:
3 x 3 demolishers with lascannons and multimeltas

LoW
Reaver titan with all the bells and whistles

Fortification
Vortex missile silo

Tanks Tanks Tanks lots of tanks!

Poly Ranger wrote:

Thats 11 landraiders as dedicated transports in case anyone missed it. That combined with the ridiculous nature of 180 jp dual th wielding DC should take it as who else can take 11 av14 (all round) 4hp DTs?

Black Templars.

=HQ=
Chapter Master with "all the extras"
-free Honor Guard with "all the extras"
-DT Rhino with Twin Linked Lascannon and "all the extras"
Captain with "all the extras" (because it is cheesy to take two Chapter Masters)
-free Command Squad with "all the extras"
-DT Rhino with Twin Linked Lascannon and "all the extras"

=Elites=
10 Terminators with 2 Cyclone Missile Launchers
-DT LRC with "all the extras"
10 Terminators with 2 Cyclone Missile Launchers
-DT LRC with "all the extras"
10 Terminators with 2 Cyclone Missile Launchers
-DT LRC with "all the extras"

=Troops=
Crusader Squad (10 initiates, 10 neophytes, Plasma Gun, Plasma Cannon, Bolters for the rest)
-DT LRC with "all the extras"
Crusader Squad (10 initiates, 10 neophytes, Plasma Gun, Plasma Cannon, Bolters for the rest)
-DT LRC with "all the extras"
Crusader Squad (10 initiates, 10 neophytes, Plasma Gun, Plasma Cannon, Bolters for the rest)
-DT LRC with "all the extras"
Crusader Squad (10 initiates, 10 neophytes, Plasma Gun, Plasma Cannon, Bolters for the rest)
-DT LRC with "all the extras"
Crusader Squad (10 initiates, 10 neophytes, Plasma Gun, Plasma Cannon, Bolters for the rest)
-DT LRC with "all the extras"
Crusader Squad (10 initiates, 10 neophytes, Plasma Gun, Plasma Cannon, Bolters for the rest)
-DT LRC with "all the extras"

=Fast Attack=
Stormtalon with "all the extras"
Stormtalon with "all the extras"
Stormtalon with "all the extras"

=Heavy Support=
Centurion Devastators x6 with Grav Cannons and Grav Amp
- DT LR with "all the extras"
Centurion Devastators x6 with Grav Cannons and Grav Amp
- DT LR with "all the extras"
Centurion Devastators x6 with Grav Cannons and Grav Amp
- DT LR with "all the extras"

That's 12 Land Raiders, in case anyone missed it. All DTs are empty so everyone can just sit back and shoot. Target rich environment guarantees Blast Markers hitting.

It hurts me that Black Templars would be such a gun line army, but that would answer the given scenario.

Ah - one more landraider... but each troops choice is 10 marines and 10 scouts - not 30 jp dual th wielding dc. So nowhere near as strong.

Still think the maxed IG Force Org (which can also take the same LOW and Fortification, so that's a wash) has a pretty good chance.

HQ and Heavy - 15 Leman Russ (5 x squadrons of 3, with Pask in one of the Command Squadrons), standard would do but hey, mix it up and throw some Executioners in there, after all, we can max out our Techpriest Enginseers to restore hull points. Three x ML2 Primaris Psykers, and let's not forget some priests. Although it is tempting to drop one of the HQ Tank squadrons and take a regular command squad. With CREEEED!! And Kell. And Nork.

For Troops, 6 x 50 man blobs with 5 lascannon, 5 plasma guns apiece, commissars, sgts with power weapons, meltabombs etc etc (Or really give the enemy fits and run them as separate squads). 6 x Platoon Commands with heavy or special weapons, can't decide between 4 x meltas, 4 x plasmas, or a lascannon and 2 x plasma. So two of each sound good. 6 x 50 man conscript squads screening out front, 30 x heavy weapon squads with 3 lascannons each, and 18 x special weapons squads with 3 x meltaguns or plasma guns each (hmmmm, or maybe demo charges). And of course, 36 Chimeras with all the upgrades. Course, we could switch out some of the blobs to Missile Launchers with Flakk just for giggles. I think we probably have enough lascannons in the HW squads. (18 x 3 = 54)

Edit: Correction, it's 30 x 3 for the HW squad lascannons, so 90 instead of 54....

Elites, Three maxed out Stormtrooper platoons. That's 12 deepstriking meltagun squads (three with 4 guns each, 9 with 2 guns each). And each squad gets a transport as well. And since I think the Taurox sucks, that's another 12 Chimeras.

And Fast Attack, should we go 9 x Vendettas or throw some squadrons of three Hellhound variants in there? (I'm partial to the melta blast one with hull multimeltas).

Anyways, it's an interesting discussioin, and just one more thing to say. We're gonna need a bigger table!!

A Necron force should easily beat that Death Company spam.

HQ
Overlord Catacomb Command Barge
All the goodies (2+, 3++, ResOrb, MSS)

Royal Court
5 Lords with all the goodies
5 Harbringers


Overlord Catacomb Command Barge
All the goodies (2+, 3++, ResOrb, MSS)

Royal Court
5 Lords with all the goodies
5 Harbringers


Elites
10 Lychguard
Night Scythe

10 Lychguard
Night Scythe

10 Lychguard
Night Scythe

Troops

10 Immortals with Telsa Carbines
Night Scythe

10 Immortals with Telsa Carbines
Night Scythe

10 Immortals with Telsa Carbines
Night Scythe

10 Immortals with Telsa Carbines
Night Scythe

10 Immortals with Telsa Carbines
Night Scythe

10 Immortals with Telsa Carbines
Night Scythe

Fast Attack
6 Wraiths

6 Wraiths

6 Wraiths

Heavy Support
Doom Scythe

Doom Scythe

Doom Scythe



You can't touch the Heavy Support section, you will get shot to pieces by ungodly amounts of Tesla fire and you will get shredded by Wraiths and Royal Courts and Sweepattack CCB.

PolyRanger wrote:Ah - one more landraider... but each troops choice is 10 marines and 10 scouts - not 30 jp dual th wielding dc. So nowhere near as strong.

In a vacuum maybe. The list provides enough shooting to whittle the Blood Angels down.

Two great minds think alike ;-) I literally wrote almost that exact list above ^


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 Farseer Pef wrote:
In a vacuum maybe. The list provides enough shooting to whittle the Blood Angels down.

Not really. There are 180 death co with fnp, 30 VVs with storm shields with 2 SPs for fnp, 20 assault termis with stormshields, 5 honour guard with dante, meph star, 3 ravens, 11 landraiders (12 actually - forgot the HG can take one). The LRs equal out. The ravens beat the talons. The VVs can give a good acount of themselves with stormshields and thunder hammers against cents. 180 dc will utterly wipe out 60 tac marines and 60 scouts in the time it takes to sneeze and can then boss the rest of the list. Meph star + dante bomb is equivalent of the HQ slots you've picked. OUTSIDE a vaccume the BA list would decimate the BT one. Oh forgot - 20 assault termis with storm shields and thunder hammers wont worry about the firepower of 30 tac termis and will gut them in assault.


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 Deadshot wrote:
A Necron force should easily beat that Death Company spam.

HQ
Overlord Catacomb Command Barge
All the goodies (2+, 3++, ResOrb, MSS)

Royal Court
5 Lords with all the goodies
5 Harbringers


Overlord Catacomb Command Barge
All the goodies (2+, 3++, ResOrb, MSS)

Royal Court
5 Lords with all the goodies
5 Harbringers


Elites
10 Lychguard
Night Scythe

10 Lychguard
Night Scythe

10 Lychguard
Night Scythe

Troops

10 Immortals with Telsa Carbines
Night Scythe

10 Immortals with Telsa Carbines
Night Scythe

10 Immortals with Telsa Carbines
Night Scythe

10 Immortals with Telsa Carbines
Night Scythe

10 Immortals with Telsa Carbines
Night Scythe

10 Immortals with Telsa Carbines
Night Scythe

Fast Attack
6 Wraiths

6 Wraiths

6 Wraiths

Heavy Support
Doom Scythe

Doom Scythe

Doom Scythe



You can't touch the Heavy Support section, you will get shot to pieces by ungodly amounts of Tesla fire and you will get shredded by Wraiths and Royal Courts and Sweepattack CCB.

Check out the DC list above that follows the same rules you've used to pick your list.

Maxed-out Grey Knight list that laughs at FnP Death Co...

HQ: Libby w/Lv3, MC-Halberd, Digi weapons, Libber Daemonica. (3 rolls on Santic + Psy Shriek from Telepathy)
HQ: Grandmaster w/Lv2, Psilencer, Soul Glaive. (2 rolls on Telepathy + Psy Shriek from focus)
*HQ: 2x Techmarines w/MC Halberd, Digi weapons, MB

Elites: 3x 10 Purifiyers w/4 Psilencers, 5x Halberds. Knight of Flame w/MC Halberd, Digi weapons, MB. DT Rhino.

Troops: 6x 10 Termies w/2 Psilencers, 9 Halberds, Justicar w/MC Halberd, Digi weapons, MB. DT Land Raider Crusader w/MM

Fast: 3x 10 Interceptors w/2 Incinerators, 7 Halberds, Justicar w/MC halberd, Digi weapons, MB.

Heavy: 3x Dreadknight w/PT, Sword, Gatling Psilencer, Heavy Psycannon.

Note: Everything! uses Combat Squads...
That's a total of 40 Warp Charges to fuel castings of Force. Sooooooo much Force! (and some Hammerhand when S7 is needed to smoke Dreadnoughts/other vehicles...)

Some of those look really tough especially the Vendettas. I still think 6 Max squads 30 strong of feel no pain jet packed dual thunder hammer wielding Death Company are going to completely obliterate most of those.

kellymatthew37 wrote:
Some of those look really tough especially the Vendettas. I still think 6 Max squads 30 strong of feel no pain jet packed dual thunder hammer wielding Death Company are going to completely obliterate most of those.

That's great, but my list has 332 (3+)armour-ignoring attacks and shots (combined, obviously).

98 of which also ignore FNP.
Not including a LoW.

Granted, I know they won't all hit and/or wound, but that's just the armour-ignoring attacks and shots.
I'm also assuming I won't be getting the charge.