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 Lynata wrote:

Melissia wrote:She only felt bad for killing in cutscenes, but she was okay with brutally massacreing things in gameplay.

Not in my game. I definitely recall Lara calling out that they should just talk it over and how she didn't want to kill anyone, even whilst (due to player input) she was pulling the trigger to defend herself.

As her personality changes through the narrative and she becomes more badass, however, these comments change into taunts and challenges. "How do you like that?!"

*shrug* I felt that Iji did it massively better, perhaps because Iji had the option of a 100% "pacifist" run where you did not have to directly harm any living being (Though yo udid have to employ violence against a few inanimate objects, like windows and a generator).

inb4 "But she was a damsel!"

No, I don't think so. You did not get to her because of her, you got to her because you wanted to get Jack.

 Melissia wrote:

 Lynata wrote:

Melissia wrote:She only felt bad for killing in cutscenes, but she was okay with brutally massacreing things in gameplay.

Not in my game. I definitely recall Lara calling out that they should just talk it over and how she didn't want to kill anyone, even whilst (due to player input) she was pulling the trigger to defend herself.

As her personality changes through the narrative and she becomes more badass, however, these comments change into taunts and challenges. "How do you like that?!"

*shrug* I felt that Iji did it massively better, perhaps because Iji had the option of a 100% "pacifist" run where you did not have to directly harm any living being (Though yo udid have to employ violence against a few inanimate objects, like windows and a generator).

Also helped because ijii takes into account if you have been killing people or not and changes ijii's personality to reflect that.


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 Sigvatr wrote:
inb4 "But she was a damsel!"

No, I don't think so. You did not get to her because of her, you got to her because you wanted to get Jack.

What do you think the problem is with the DiD?

Oh, I don't see it. That's why I said "inb4"

 Melissia wrote:
*shrug* I felt that Iji did it massively better, perhaps because Iji had the option of a 100% "pacifist" run where you did not have to directly harm any living being (Though yo udid have to employ violence against a few inanimate objects, like windows and a generator).

So did Postal², for that matter . You could be a non-violent total jerk, or an ultraviolent total jerk, it was totally up to you!

Postal 2...just...wow. I liked the game because of it being offensive towards EVERYTHING. And I loved the scissors. Ninja scissors.

You didn't even have to kill the bosses in Iji, which was nice and clever.

 Sigvatr wrote:
I liked the game because of it being offensive towards EVERYTHING.

Yeah, that was pretty fun. My personal favorite was the multiplayer map called intifada!

Nothing in the story requires you or even suggest you to kill anyone actually. It is all up to you!

 Sigvatr wrote:
Postal 2...just...wow. I liked the game because of it being offensive towards EVERYTHING.

That's not a good reason to like something. Just FYI.

Being "edgy" for the sake of being "edgy" really isn't a good reason to like a game, yeah.

 Chongara wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Postal 2...just...wow. I liked the game because of it being offensive towards EVERYTHING.

That's not a good reason to like something. Just FYI.

Well I guess that makes you the self appointed expert on the subject...

I can see a odd pleasure in liking something offensive for being offensive. "Society says it's wrong to pee on people! HA Ha I pee on your rules!" It's kind of a child like defiance you know when you were a kid and made up words so you could swear and get away with it.

That said. It's kind of hard to judge this type of offensive game. A lot of them have subtle messages and critics on themselves their players and the genre. I have heard that postal 2 is a citric of video game critics (at the time it came out, critic meant jack ) , games, the player, and well offense in general. I haven't played it myself though.

Personally I'm quite tired of being told I'm a racist misogynist because I like video games.

Bishop F Gantry wrote:
Well I guess that makes you the self appointed expert on the subject...

It's like the good man said:

"We're not here to talk about useful things, but to witness the moral preenings of our 'betters'." - Buzzsaw

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Personally I'm quite tired of being told I'm a racist misogynist because I like video games.

If your not a racist misogynist, then don't worry when people call you that. I don't get this... Actually I do get why this upsets people it's just that explaining why could be upsetting itself. (You are free to consider me stupid and ignore everything I am about to say, have said or will ever say.) People don't really get worked up about insults they know are untrue. If it really bothers you, then it might be because you see a grain of truth in the statement. I am not saying that you are a racist misogynist. (I don't know you well enough to really judge you.) I am just saying you might want to reflect on why it bothers you.

nomotog wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Personally I'm quite tired of being told I'm a racist misogynist because I like video games.

If your not a racist misogynist, then don't worry when people call you that. I don't get this... Actually I do get why this upsets people it's just that explaining why could be upsetting itself. (You are free to consider me stupid and ignore everything I am about to say, have said or will ever say.) People don't really get worked up about insults they know are untrue. If it really bothers you, then it might be because you see a grain of truth in the statement. I am not saying that you are a racist misogynist. (I don't know you well enough to really judge you.) I am just saying you might want to reflect on why it bothers you.

Hold the phone, what? Of course people 'get worked up' about being insulted with an untrue accusation. That's a normal thing for people to do.

"Heard you eat puppies. Oh, you're getting upset? Better hide any puppies when you're about."

 VorpalBunny74 wrote:

nomotog wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Personally I'm quite tired of being told I'm a racist misogynist because I like video games.

If your not a racist misogynist, then don't worry when people call you that. I don't get this... Actually I do get why this upsets people it's just that explaining why could be upsetting itself. (You are free to consider me stupid and ignore everything I am about to say, have said or will ever say.) People don't really get worked up about insults they know are untrue. If it really bothers you, then it might be because you see a grain of truth in the statement. I am not saying that you are a racist misogynist. (I don't know you well enough to really judge you.) I am just saying you might want to reflect on why it bothers you.

Hold the phone, what? Of course people 'get worked up' about being insulted with an untrue accusation. That's a normal thing for people to do.

"Heard you eat puppies. Oh, you're getting upset? Better hide any puppies when you're about."

Is this where I say 'welcome to the internet?'

 Chongara wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Postal 2...just...wow. I liked the game because of it being offensive towards EVERYTHING.

That's not a good reason to like something. Just FYI.

I will remember calling you before thinking about whether I like something or not!

It is a very valid reason to like a game. Being completely over the top and not following conventions is a main factor in modern comedy as well. If you don't like it, well, you don't like it.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Is this where I say 'welcome to the internet?'

No need to get world weary on me, I was explaining normal human behaviour

 Ashiraya wrote:

 VorpalBunny74 wrote:

nomotog wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Personally I'm quite tired of being told I'm a racist misogynist because I like video games.

If your not a racist misogynist, then don't worry when people call you that. I don't get this... Actually I do get why this upsets people it's just that explaining why could be upsetting itself. (You are free to consider me stupid and ignore everything I am about to say, have said or will ever say.) People don't really get worked up about insults they know are untrue. If it really bothers you, then it might be because you see a grain of truth in the statement. I am not saying that you are a racist misogynist. (I don't know you well enough to really judge you.) I am just saying you might want to reflect on why it bothers you.

Hold the phone, what? Of course people 'get worked up' about being insulted with an untrue accusation. That's a normal thing for people to do.

"Heard you eat puppies. Oh, you're getting upset? Better hide any puppies when you're about."

Is this where I say 'welcome to the internet?'

Quite a difference in mere trash talking and talking with hidden agendas..

 Chongara wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Postal 2...just...wow. I liked the game because of it being offensive towards EVERYTHING.

That's not a good reason to like something. Just FYI.

Well, it was offensive in very funny ways. Though I do admit it is way easier to find it funny when the only group that is being mocked/ridiculed/stereotyped that I was a part of were vegetarians, and they had barely a few appearance in the game, none of them relevant to the story, iirc.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Personally I'm quite tired of being told I'm a racist misogynist because I like video games.

This has literally never happened to me. Did it happen to anyone else in this thread? Can you please provide an example of this happening to you, with context, because I have troubles even figuring out who could call you that because you like games, and in which context?


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Bishop F Gantry wrote:
Quite a difference in mere trash talking and talking with hidden agendas..

Hidden agenda: whooo, scaaaary!

It has, indeed, never happened to me either.

No one in eightysix pages in this thread has suggested such...

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Personally I'm quite tired of being told I'm a racist misogynist because I like video games.

This has literally never happened to me. Did it happen to anyone else in this thread? Can you please provide an example of this happening to you, with context, because I have troubles even figuring out who could call you that because you like games, and in which context?

You play MOBAs right? It isn't from this thread but:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2014/09/04/the-video-game-industry-has-only-itself-to-blame-for-misogyny-and-harassment/

Just play a match of more or less any competitive online game and listen to the number of times you hear the word “rape:” despite what we may think, this is not normal or inevitable. What it is, however, is a natural byproduct of the games we play.

It’s not a tremendous leap to assume that a community of consumers and producers is going to develop some intensely dysfunctional aggression and misogyny when this is the cultural background that we’re interacting with.

By playing MOBAs, or any other online game, you are developing misogyny (according to some games journalist)

Oh dear lord. A Forbes article that is as well-researched as the homework of a high school student. Ugh.

It’s not a tremendous leap to assume that a community of consumers and producers is going to develop some intensely dysfunctional aggression and misogyny when this is the cultural background that we’re interacting with.

What's being asserted in this statement is that the gamer culture uses "raped" as a synonym for "defeated"; that this insinuates that "rapist" is also a synonym for "victor". Since being defeated is a negative thing and winning is a positive thing in gamer culture, being a rapist is therefor insinuated by the culture as being a good thing.

While some of the article's claims are bizarre, this one is a perfectly logical conclusion to come to. I don't agree with the article's assertion that most games inherently create or support this culture, that's baseless. But certainly gamers freely use "you just got raped!" as a term for someone losing in a game, and "We just raped the other team last round!" and similar terms for winning. And that aspect of gamer culture is and should be criticized.

 Melissia wrote:

It’s not a tremendous leap to assume that a community of consumers and producers is going to develop some intensely dysfunctional aggression and misogyny when this is the cultural background that we’re interacting with.

What's being asserted in this statement is that the gamer culture uses "raped" as a synonym for "defeated"; that this insinuates that "rapist" is also a synonym for "victor". Since being defeated is a negative thing and winning is a positive thing in gamer culture, being a rapist is therefor insinuated by the culture as being a good thing.

This astutes that the term "rape" in the lieu of video games / winning is used with the same semantics as in the lieu of actual rape. Is that the case?

And just to be precise: the article is not only poorly researched, it's outdated. In gamer speech, the term "rape" has long been replaced by the term "rekt" / "#rekt" which refers to the pronounciation of the word "wrecked".

 Sigvatr wrote:
This astutes that the term "rape" in the lieu of video games / winning is used with the same semantics as in the lieu of actual rape. Is that the case?

If you have a point in asking this question which might makes me want to answer it, you failed to make it.

My statement was quite clear. Gamers have, for a long time (I remember it being used back when Quake 3 was released in 1999), used rape as a positive thing that is done to other people in order to achieve victory. And in spite of your assertion, they still do so. Hell, I heard the term used several times yesterday while playing Payday 2.

 Melissia wrote:
used rape as a positive thing that is done to other people in order to achieve victory.

That's wrong in so many ways. Not only does your post mean that gamers literally raped other games to win in a game, you also jump to conclusions based on wrong assumptions and confuse semantics.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Not only does your post mean that gamers literally raped other games to win in a game

Try reading.

 Melissia wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Not only does your post mean that gamers literally raped other games to win in a game

Try reading.

Try writing. If you wanted to talk about the word itself, you'd have to write "rape" and not rape.

Anyway, as usual: as soon as you come up with any factual evidence, feel free to get back to this.