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Experiment 626 wrote: Looks like Canada is finally getting in on the fight & is going to be sending 6 CF-18's, a refueling jet and a large transport plane to join the fight, along with roughly 600 personal for at least a 6 month mission.
Parliament votes on Monday, but as the Conservatives have a house majority, the bill will pass easily.
It's just embarrassing as feth the stance of the Liberal party... (basically mocking the entire situation as Harper just wanting to "whip out our CF-18's and show off how big they are.") Apparently Tru-durp missed the memos about ISIS beheading children or burying them alive for kicks & giggles.
Yup, bill just passed as I am typing this.
Wait. I thought the Liberals' argument was that airstrikes would be that airstrikes would be insufficient? Or was that the NDP?
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Frazzled wrote: Who trained them. BUKs can't fire themselves (right?)
How many ISIS are former Hussein, or even better, former IRaqi Army that we trained?
BUK's modular. You can have one launcher, or several launchers slaved to one command unit, and several command units meshed together into a larger network. The button can be pressed at any level of command. It just takes a target being designated as hostile by IFF. Then it's SAM city.
BUK can pack a punch, depending on what missiles are loaded into it.. The Russians thoughtfully just passed out their latest and greatest SAMs and ASM to their pal Assad, who promptly lost them, so we could be talking about equivalent to being hit by the RIM-66 that's part of the armament of the Ticonderoga class cruiser. They have a 95% Kill probability with just one SAM. They also handed off Onyx, making Syria one of the few countries to have that particular toy. It's a heavy ASM designed to take out US fleet carriers. The Syrians took delivery of 72 of them, but the Israelis took out some of the launchers. If any are in the hands of Isis, God only knows.
I'm not sure why anyone is surprised they are capably of calling down artillery strikes. It's not that difficult to do. The only reason they couldn't really do it well in Iraq and Afghanistan outside of small mortar strikes is because we have very effective counter-battery and CAS capability. Their artillery assets I'm certain are a priority in terms of targets, and judging from the YouTube videos we've already blown up some, but it's difficult to get them all with limited air strikes, especially considering you can hide them in garages.
I think the issue was them calling down the strikes in real time, as opposed to planned barrages. This suggests advanced communications gear is in use with a solid command and control structure. Further, and more worrying, they may have that same capability now as well, since they're using a lot of US gear, with US trained gunners and commanders.
I must admit that my jaw did this when I read your sentence about ISIL possibly having anti-ship missiles. Scary stuff.
Events took an interesting turn today. ISIL shot down an Iraqi army helicopter. Did they bring it down with small arms fire or was it something more big hitting? Nobody's sure yet.
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deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Seems they are using an American in the latest propaganda video which the FBI is asking for the public help identifying the individual by his voice. Seems a dozen American are currently fighting for ISIL.
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Jihadin wrote: Seems they are using an American in the latest propaganda video which the FBI is asking for the public help identifying the individual by his voice. Seems a dozen American are currently fighting for ISIL.
Yeah, and they're using American equipment to boot!
Question: If Americans are fighting other Americans with US equipment, is this a re-run of the civil war?
Jokes aside, the Kobane situation is still in the balance - it's a coin toss to who will capture it.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Update: Iraqi helicopters were brought down by SAM
Question to those in the know: if American Apaches are getting involved (the helicopter, not the Native American tribe ) then should they be worried by this?
Or will their high level of training and modern equipment see them through? Is this an occupational hazard that's manageable?
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
According to what I've read, they made off with the following US gear:
a large but unknown number of Humvees.
At least one M1 Abrams
An unknown number of Stingers
An unknown (but large) number of US 155mm artillery platforms, both towed and self propelled.
Enough body armor and M16s that they could outfit triple their estimated numbers.
Some MRAPS that have since been found destroyed.
Communications gear, (type not specified)
Man portable anti tank missiles (type not specified)
Mind you, this is all from unofficial sources, as the US and Iraqis have been tight lipped about what all was lost, but the main depots and HQ for several brigades, including mechanized and armored were overrun without much of a fight. So assume they can outfit maybe three brigades to US standards.
My money is they outfit veteran troops with this gear and hold them in reserve until the Us or another serious force commits.
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Wait.....Carter.....Iran...he's not hinting that is he?
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If you think a massive budget deficit is not a very real problem then I really don't know what else to say here. But if you want to completely bankrupt the country at least do so for a decent cause. Not to shore up AQ militias, or a largely incompetent rabble
Yes, well, if we had supplied them and sent military advisers when it would have had an impact, they wouldn't be AQ or a largely incompetent rabble. 'We can't become involved because they might embrace an Islamist agenda'. Yeah,well, now look, we didn't and they are anyway. So rather than deal with the problem before it became one, the US now gets to invade them at some later date when they start attacking Americans after they become a thoroughly entrenched military force, or a much larger international movement like is already happening in several neighboring countries.
BaronIveagh wrote: However, the problem is that people have been referring to a blanket 'the rebels' which is wildly misleading, as there are dozens of factions involved. The United States favors certain factions but not others.
*snip*
They can practice horrors not seen in a century on everyone else all the livelong day, but the moment it happens to an American (as an example) it's time to rain righteous flaming death down on them for their barbarity.
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Have I just woken up in some strange parallel universe or did somebody post a link to Jimmy Carter criticising Obama on Middle East policy?
Andrew1975 wrote: Carter? His handling of the middle east, specifically Iran is one of the reasons we are in this whole situation.
Blaming Carter for the actions of the political bodies of the 1914-1920 era is quite wrong as well.
Sure, Carter may not have handled his Iran situation (in particular) very well, but to say that it's his fault we're in the ME isn't anywhere near correct.
Experiment 626 wrote: Looks like Canada is finally getting in on the fight & is going to be sending 6 CF-18's, a refueling jet and a large transport plane to join the fight, along with roughly 600 personal for at least a 6 month mission.
Parliament votes on Monday, but as the Conservatives have a house majority, the bill will pass easily.
It's just embarrassing as feth the stance of the Liberal party... (basically mocking the entire situation as Harper just wanting to "whip out our CF-18's and show off how big they are.") Apparently Tru-durp missed the memos about ISIS beheading children or burying them alive for kicks & giggles.
Yup, bill just passed as I am typing this.
Wait. I thought the Liberals' argument was that airstrikes would be that airstrikes would be insufficient? Or was that the NDP?
Nope, the Libs argument against supporting our joining in is that we should instead focus entirely on just providing humanitarian aid, because there's already more than enough other countries doing the heavy lifting & dirty work.
The NDP didn't support on the grounds that the Conservs are;
- lying about how long this mission will last, because wars of course are always highly organised affairs with strict 'start' & 'end' dates.
- lying about the cost of the mission, because obviously the government should know ahead of time precisely the exact number & type of bombs they'll be dropping.
- using the 2003 US led invasion as strawman to claim that this mission will of course bog us down in a ground war that'll last 8-10+ years with no plan of how to get the hell out of it.
As well as the fact that standard NDP procedure is to hide in the corner like a sniveling coward and let every other allied nation do the actual fighting for us... because "reasons"
According to Judicial Watch, it has been confirmed by Homeland Security sources that four Islamic terrorists have been apprehended in the last 36 hours by federal authorities and the Texas Department of Public Safety in McAllen and Pharr. California Congressman Duncan Hunter, a former Marine Corp Major and member of the House Armed Services Committee, disclosed on national television that at least ten Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS) fighters have been caught crossing the Mexican border in Texas.
Hunter believes, “If you really want to protect Americans from ISIS, you secure the southern border.” He went on to point out that, "ISIS doesn’t have a navy, they don’t have an air force, they don’t have nuclear weapons. The only way that ISIS is going to harm Americans is by coming in through the southern border – which they already have.”
Rep. Jason Chaffetz, a Republican from Utah, said four alleged terror suspects were captured on Sept. 10 in Texas. In an interview with BuzzFeedNews on Wednesday, Chaffetz said the men flew from a Middle Eastern country to Mexico City, where they paid a smuggler to take them to and across the border. From there, the men ended up in a safe house for immigrants. They were en route to New York City, Chaffetz said, when they were captured.
Although Chaffetz would not reveal his source of the information, he said he confirmed it with government officials. “I had an informant tell me about it and then I questioned the Secretary of Homeland Security,” he said. “I have no doubt about its authenticity.”
CBS reported on Wednesday that the Department of Homeland Security released a statement that claims alleging Islamic State militants have been apprehended at the Mexican border are “categorically false.” The DHS insists they have no credible intelligence that suggests terrorist organizations are actively plotting to cross the southwest border. Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson says that Islamic State militants are not entering the U.S. through the southern border. Johnson was responding to a claim made by Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., that at least 10 Islamic State operatives were detained trying to come in from Mexico.
Congressman Hunter, however, isn't buying that explanation. His spokesman told BuzzFeed News Wednesday that they have evidence from reliable sources about “foreign nationals” being captured along the border. Kasper said those foreign nationals may not technically be ISIS fighters, but do have suspected terror group affiliations. Kasper did not identify his sources but said that Hunter’s office remains convinced that the lawmaker was correct.
Our worst fears may already be realized because despite the recent surge of immigrants from Central America and other parts of the world at the southern border, the Obama administration has been unwilling to deploy the National Guard or other military assets to back up the Border Patrol. With the Border Patrol overwhelmed by a massive influx, illegal immigrants have been walking across the southern border into Texas from at least 75 different countries, and not just from Central America. Many of those apprehended in the Rio Grande area and elsewhere are released into the country after being initially detained by Border Patrol agents.
Is it plausible that ISIS is already in America after crossing the U.S.-Mexican border?
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Is it plausible that ISIS is already in America after crossing the U.S.-Mexican border?
This story bacame more and more slowed.
ISIS don't need to cross any borders - each day of this idiotic campaign with no results creates fighters all around the world by propoganda means alone.
Our prior interventions in the middle east have not worked out so hot.
Solution:
Intervene in the middle east.
if that doesnt work,
try intervening in the middle east.
(only half serious, I know its not quuuite that simple, but it almost is)
If anything we should be pulling out, and preparing to protect our own lands as the west is uniquely vulnerable to attack due to being free, democratic societies that welcome immigration.
At least if we were not actively bombing the ME, we stop throwing fuel on the martyr fire to a degree... we are damned if we do, damned if we dont, dont costs less.
I mean, if thousands of ISIS people are jihading all the way over to the ME, how many are jihading here, or are already here?
Only takes a few dozen people to do some crazy stuff.
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Whoa. Last time I was on DakkaDakka, this was at 5ish pages. Anyway, I think that the US is superserious, considering how they deployed a F-22 for the first time.
Our prior interventions in the middle east have not worked out so hot.
Solution:
Intervene in the middle east.
if that doesnt work,
try intervening in the middle east.
(only half serious, I know its not quuuite that simple, but it almost is)
All we need to do is go in, conquer them militarily, then we'll draw the map of what their countries should look like... what could possibly go wrong??
Well, my wife and I are still in Istanbul. Kobane does indeed look like a coin toss. During the day it's perfectly safe here, at night though.... the Kurdish Turks are protesting more vociferously and we had a close run thing a few nights ago. We were in Taksim Square doing the whole tourist thing and on the tram ride back we noticed a large amount of Turkish Riot Police gathering in side streets. Seemed we missed the protest by around an hour...
However, because of why we are here we can't leave yet. Our flight leaves on the 27th October, so there is plenty of time for things to develop....yay.
sarpedons-right-hand wrote: Well, my wife and I are still in Istanbul. Kobane does indeed look like a coin toss. During the day it's perfectly safe here, at night though.... the Kurdish Turks are protesting more vociferously and we had a close run thing a few nights ago. We were in Taksim Square doing the whole tourist thing and on the tram ride back we noticed a large amount of Turkish Riot Police gathering in side streets. Seemed we missed the protest by around an hour...
However, because of why we are here we can't leave yet. Our flight leaves on the 27th October, so there is plenty of time for things to develop....yay.
Here's wishing you good luck. You might need it.
On the ISIS in the US thing: I hate to point this out, but they don't need to. the US has plenty of idiots....errr....people self radicalizing to cause chaos as is. Only a matter of time before someone blows something up.
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less than a handful of airstrikes a day arent cutting it. WHo is the US trying to kid? We need to carpet bomb the entire region sough of Kobane and use our fighter jets for strafing runs.
But then again, all that costs money and money is more important than shaping world history.
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Our prior interventions in the middle east have not worked out so hot.
Solution:
Intervene in the middle east.
if that doesnt work,
try intervening in the middle east.
(only half serious, I know its not quuuite that simple, but it almost is)
If anything we should be pulling out, and preparing to protect our own lands as the west is uniquely vulnerable to attack due to being free, democratic societies that welcome immigration.
At least if we were not actively bombing the ME, we stop throwing fuel on the martyr fire to a degree... we are damned if we do, damned if we dont, dont costs less.
Past mistakes aside, there is no option for simply ignoring the ME and letting it 'sort itself out' this time as the threat is much greater now...
This isn't simply a case of which sect should dominate the others this decade, but rather a well-organised group who's only aims are to quite literally burn the entire world to ash and build one of history's most barbaric & savage societies atop the ruins of human civilization.
The problem we have is that no government has the balls to step up and fight this war it needs to be fought. (ie: by showing these whack jobs what a sustained WWII carpet bombing campaign looks like.)
Yes there will be collateral damage and loss of life, but it's impossible to fight a war and not have collateral costs. However in this case, a majority of the innocents have already been forced to flee from ISIS held territories by the extremists.
easysauce wrote: I mean, if thousands of ISIS people are jihading all the way over to the ME, how many are jihading here, or are already here?
Only takes a few dozen people to do some crazy stuff.
CSIS & the RCMP went before a commons committee within the past couple days to admit that they're currently tracking roughly 80 known jihadists who've returned from overseas fighting.
But then doing nothing and pulling out entirely would only encourage radicalisation of those groups we've effectively turned our collective backs on... So "doing nothing" is probably even more dangerous than dropping bombs on the gakkers and risking a smaller select minority of young idiots to join the crazies' cause.
Look at how the Turkish stance of "do nothing because we don't like the Kurds" is working out for them...
ISIS seems to be stepping up its process to draw the US into "boot's on ground"...though five miles from BIAP and they have MANPADS......is now getting dicey on not involving US troops
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Jihadin wrote: ISIS seems to be stepping up its process to draw the US into "boot's on ground"...though five miles from BIAP and they have MANPADS......is now getting dicey on not involving US troops
The sad part is that I'm willing to bet the President throws US ground forces at them piecemeal to begin with before committing a larger force.
I think I'll file this under "Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!"
Chris Perez wrote:Pregnant Austrian teens in ISIS: We’ve made a huge mistake
The two teens are believed to be married, pregnant and living in the Islamic State-controlled city of Raqqa.
The teenage girls who abandoned their families in Austria to become jihadis for ISIS feel they’ve made a terrible mistake by joining the barbaric lifestyle and they want to come home.
Samra Kesinovic, 17, and Sabina Selimovic, 15, are believed to be married, pregnant and living in the Islamic State-controlled city of Raqqa in northern Syria, Central European News reports.
Dubbed by Austrian media as the poster girls for jihad, the young friends now believe their lives have been turned upside down by their new lifestyles.
The change of heart is a much different tune than the note they left behind for their parents when they fled back in April, which read: “Don’t look for us. We will serve Allah — and we will die for him.”
Kesinovic and Selimovic grew up in Vienna, where they became accustomed to talking to whomever they wanted, saying whatever they pleased and wearing whatever clothes they liked. They did not have to live a life being controlled by people telling them what they can and cannot do.
But Kesinovic and Selimovic decided to leave all that behind and shack up with the same people they’ve now grown to hate.
For weeks, social media accounts believed to belong to the girls have been posting pictures and information leading many to feel they enjoyed living a life of terror.
Authorities in Austria say this was all an elaborate plan set up by ISIS in order to get people to think the two wanted to be the poster girls for jihad in Syria.
Now Austrian media are reporting that Kesinovic and Selimovic have said enough is enough and want to return to their families, according to CEN.
They have contacted their loved ones and told them they are sick of living with the Islamic State jihadis, but they also said they don’t feel they can flee from their unwanted new life because too many people now associate them with ISIS.
“The main problem is about people coming back to Austria,” said Austrian Interior Ministry spokesman Karl-Heinz Grundboeck. “Once they leave, it is almost impossible.”
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when I read your sentence about ISIL possibly having anti-ship missiles. Scary stuff.
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