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**Frazzled**

Bromsy wrote:
KamikazeCanuck wrote:
The big news in Canada right now is that it's been revealed Canadian special forces have been in at least three firefights with ISIS in Iraq. The first Western nation to do so.

I'm sure they were sufficiently polite.

"We're under attack! Order Airstrike."
"Airstrike in bound."
BOOM BOOM BOOM
"Sorry!"

**KamikazeCanuck**

Bromsy wrote:
KamikazeCanuck wrote:
The big news in Canada right now is that it's been revealed Canadian special forces have been in at least three firefights with ISIS in Iraq. The first Western nation to do so.

I'm sure they were sufficiently polite.

Very, they let them shoot and mortar first.

**Dreadclaw69**

I'm sure they sent condolence cards to the widows and sex slaves of the deceased.

**The Home Nuggeteer**

Anyone have a map of their current claimed area?

Just interested in how much they have taken.

**mitch_rifle**

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=isis+land&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Q1HIVOzIKsTemAX1ooDgDA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=667

some pictures although it seems the kurds are slowly pushing them back

**Ouze**

ISIL has killed the Jordanian pilot.

ISIS photos appear to show Jordanian pilot burned alive
By Jason Hanna, CNN
Updated 12:09 PM ET, Tue February 3, 2015
(CNN)Pictures published on ISIS's official al Furqan media site apparently show Jordanian military pilot Moaz al-Kassasbeh being burned alive while confined in a cage.

ISIS militants seized al-Kassasbeh after his jet crashed in Syria in December. The terror group said it captured him after he ejected from his crashing F-16 during U.S.-led coalition airstrikes near ISIS's de facto capital, Raqqa.

In January, video messages apparently from ISIS said that al-Kassasbeh would be killed if Jordan didn't release Sajida al-Rishawi, a female jihadist imprisoned in Jordan for her role in a 2005 suicide bombing.

The messages said it would release another ISIS hostage, Japanese journalist Kenji Goto, if Jordan released al-Rishawi, but it said nothing about whether it would free al-Kassasbeh.

Jordan in turn demanded al-Kassasbeh be freed as part of the exchange. On Saturday, a video distributed appeared to show Goto's beheaded body.

**OIIIIIIO**

Call me a savage or an arsehole ... I would make it a point to coat all of my rounds in pig fat before I put them in the magazine ... and I would explain to the kids in the area that I have done this and to let all of the adults around to know I have done this. War on terror is hell, but you have to strike fear into their heart ... I think that would do it too.

Burning a person alive is about the most uncivilized thing you could do to a human. Things like this bring out the evil in me. I do not even know if we (Americans) are friendly with Jordan ... this makes it not matter. What they have done was so VERY wrong.

**Ouze**

OIIIIIIO wrote:
Call me a savage or an arsehole ... I would make it a point to coat all of my rounds in pig fat before I put them in the magazine

I don't think that means to Muslims what you think it means. Contacts with pigs is not forbidden to Muslims; so long as they don't consume them.

Jordan is a US ally, and not an "ally" like Pakistan, but an actual ally.

**whembly**

My friend just texted me about this...

He's a veteran, and he wants to go back to fight ISIS.**

O.o

**It doesn't work like that... doesn't it?

**Frazzled**

This will knock Jordan out of the war.

**NuggzTheNinja**

whembly wrote:
My friend just texted me about this...

He's a veteran, and he wants to go back to fight ISIS.**

O.o

**It doesn't work like that... doesn't it?

It can...The Kurds are looking for a few good bros to give them a helping hand. Apparently a former IDF girl (Canadian-Israeli) is over there kicking ass as we speak.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2856718/Canadian-woman-captured-ISIS-Syria-says-actually-fine-fighting-jihadists-despite-kidnap-reports.html

**AlmightyWalrus**

Frazzled wrote:
This will knock Jordan out of the war.

Hardly, it's too close to home for them to ignore.

OIIIIIIO wrote:
Call me a savage or an arsehole ... I would make it a point to coat all of my rounds in pig fat before I put them in the magazine ... and I would explain to the kids in the area that I have done this and to let all of the adults around to know I have done this. War on terror is hell, but you have to strike fear into their heart ... I think that would do it too.

Yes, ruling through terror has really worked well in the past to stop people hating their enemy. It's clearly the best thing possible, and not in any way counterproductive.

**NuggzTheNinja**

Frazzled wrote:
This will knock Jordan out of the war.

Actually the Jordanians are claiming quite the opposite - they threatened to kill a whole bunch of ISIS related captives if the pilot was harmed. We'll see if they've got the stones to follow through.

**Grey Templar**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

OIIIIIIO wrote:
Call me a savage or an arsehole ... I would make it a point to coat all of my rounds in pig fat before I put them in the magazine ... and I would explain to the kids in the area that I have done this and to let all of the adults around to know I have done this. War on terror is hell, but you have to strike fear into their heart ... I think that would do it too.

Yes, ruling through terror has really worked well in the past to stop people hating their enemy. It's clearly the best thing possible, and not in any way counterproductive.

It actually has worked in the past, if you actually follow through with the threat and aren't hampered by a population that has a large chunk who would lose their lunch over the sight of a chicken getting killed.

**Easy E**

Well, ISIS is consistently proving that if you are fighting them, you might as well fight to the death. I have no idea why they would want to promote that idea, as it seems counter-productive to their cause and a waste. It will force them to waste resources fighting when people maybe willing to just let them roll in.

I guess they aren't as shrewd as Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, or Julius Ceasar. They knew that your brutality had to be used selectively against your enemies.

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Grey Templar wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:

OIIIIIIO wrote:
Call me a savage or an arsehole ... I would make it a point to coat all of my rounds in pig fat before I put them in the magazine ... and I would explain to the kids in the area that I have done this and to let all of the adults around to know I have done this. War on terror is hell, but you have to strike fear into their heart ... I think that would do it too.

Yes, ruling through terror has really worked well in the past to stop people hating their enemy. It's clearly the best thing possible, and not in any way counterproductive.

It actually has worked in the past, if you actually follow through with the threat and aren't hampered by a population that has a large chunk who would lose their lunch over the sight of a chicken getting killed.

Student- "My Mom says that violence never solved anything."
Michael Ironsides- "Tell that to the Carthaginians."

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
This will knock Jordan out of the war.

Actually the Jordanians are claiming quite the opposite - they threatened to kill a whole bunch of ISIS related captives if the pilot was harmed. We'll see if they've got the stones to follow through.

ISIS burned the pilot alive.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/02/03/isis-burns-jordanian-pilot-alive-in-cage-on-video/

I look forward to Jordan's response.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Grey Templar wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:

OIIIIIIO wrote:
Call me a savage or an arsehole ... I would make it a point to coat all of my rounds in pig fat before I put them in the magazine ... and I would explain to the kids in the area that I have done this and to let all of the adults around to know I have done this. War on terror is hell, but you have to strike fear into their heart ... I think that would do it too.

Yes, ruling through terror has really worked well in the past to stop people hating their enemy. It's clearly the best thing possible, and not in any way counterproductive.

It actually has worked in the past, if you actually follow through with the threat and aren't hampered by a population that has a large chunk who would lose their lunch over the sight of a chicken getting killed.

So we'll stop their crazy genocidal rampage with a crazy genocidal rampage of our own?

**whembly**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:

OIIIIIIO wrote:
Call me a savage or an arsehole ... I would make it a point to coat all of my rounds in pig fat before I put them in the magazine ... and I would explain to the kids in the area that I have done this and to let all of the adults around to know I have done this. War on terror is hell, but you have to strike fear into their heart ... I think that would do it too.

Yes, ruling through terror has really worked well in the past to stop people hating their enemy. It's clearly the best thing possible, and not in any way counterproductive.

It actually has worked in the past, if you actually follow through with the threat and aren't hampered by a population that has a large chunk who would lose their lunch over the sight of a chicken getting killed.

So we'll stop their crazy genocidal rampage with a crazy genocidal rampage of our own?

You mean... like go all Carthaginians on them?

**Jihadin**

Jordan executing AQ prisoners and the female Bomber tomorrow

**whembly**

CNN is saying that the intelligence community is saying that the Jordanian pilot was killed about a month ago.

And that the negotiations since then has been a total farce, as one person said "we've been playing checkers and they're playing chess".

**Frazzled**

Jihadin wrote:
Jordan executing AQ prisoners and the female Bomber tomorrow

link?

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whembly wrote:
CNN is saying that the intelligence community is saying that the Jordanian pilot was killed about a month ago.

And that the negotiations since then has been a total farce, as one person said "we've been playing checkers and they're playing chess".

yea you kind of figured that when Jordan said they want proof of life and the other side suddenly got silent.
isn't that a problem for them though tactically? Don't they make a good bit of money off kidnappings? If you kill the victims no one is going to pay you.

**Jihadin**

Shepard Smith just announce that Jordanian government just pronounce they're executing tomorrow

**whembly**

Don't watch the video... it's... really disturbing. (watched it on mute though)

I'm surprised at the production quality...

**Frazzled**

Jihadin wrote:
Shepard Smith just announce that Jordanian government just pronounce they're executing tomorrow

Ayah Fox news site is reporting now.

Yea I refuse to watch those things.

**Ensis Ferrae**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

OIIIIIIO wrote:
Call me a savage or an arsehole ... I would make it a point to coat all of my rounds in pig fat before I put them in the magazine ... and I would explain to the kids in the area that I have done this and to let all of the adults around to know I have done this. War on terror is hell, but you have to strike fear into their heart ... I think that would do it too.

Yes, ruling through terror has really worked well in the past to stop people hating their enemy. It's clearly the best thing possible, and not in any way counterproductive.

Well, when a population doesn't respond positively to "sunshine and rainbows" other means become necessary.

I wouldn't call for a genocide personally.... But, I would very much like to break from Geneva Conventions for a short bit of time, and publicly destroy some of the extremists, after we've captured them... Put it on video, pictures, EVERY media available and say, "We're not doing this in the name of Allah, as you do. We're not doing this in the name of our god or gods, or in the name of any religion. We're doing this because of the innocent blood you have shed, AND because we can, and you cannot stop us."

**Vaktathi**

whembly wrote:
Don't watch the video... it's... really disturbing. (watched it on mute though)

I'm surprised at the production quality...

I watched it as well, personally I found the production quality took away from its horror, it looked, felt, and was too easy to dismiss as a scene from a TV show more than the horrific murder of a prisoner.

The whole thing however feels really weird. They've known for a month this guy was dead and kept trying to negotiate, I'm wondering if his murder wasn't known to all of the ISIS leadership or someone took things into their own hands, because negotiations would seem to be counterproductive at that point if they'd known he was dead for weeks.

Likewise, I'm still not sure what they get out of releasing these videos. I get that terror is a thing, but all this does is galvanize action against them from parties that can truly inflict harm on them, that otherwise might not have been forthcoming.

**nels1031**

Vaktathi wrote:
Likewise, I'm still not sure what they get out of releasing these videos. I get that terror is a thing, but all this does is galvanize action against them from parties that can truly inflict harm on them, that otherwise might not have been forthcoming.

For those Muslims that feel/perceive to be victimized by the West and their Middle Eastern allies, showing video's that essentially flip the script are very useful recruiting tools. If they were truly as detrimental as you say they were, such video's would've stopped years ago.

Its also for bragging rights within Jihadi circles so as to poach members from other organizations.

**Sigvatr**

Ensis Ferrae wrote:

I wouldn't call for a genocide personally.... But, I would very much like to break from Geneva Conventions for a short bit of time, and publicly destroy some of the extremists, after we've captured them... Put it on video, pictures, EVERY media available and say, "We're not doing this in the name of Allah, as you do. We're not doing this in the name of our god or gods, or in the name of any religion. We're doing this because of the innocent blood you have shed, AND because we can, and you cannot stop us."

As much as I'd like to see any of those guys suffer a horrifying death, publicly doing so would be counter-beneficial as you'd make martyrs out of them and thus fuel the propaganda machine.

**Dreadclaw69**

“If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared.”

― Niccolò Machiavelli, The Prince

**Opera**

I watched the video and it is sad to see anyone lose their life, especially in such a manner. ISIS are exceptionally well funded for an organisation that is twisting Islam into it's own creed. I just don't understand why their neighbors (Qatar & Saudi) are doing so little to stop them.

It feels like those with the power to do something about this are just waiting for the narrative to playout for whatever nefarious reasons.