NuggzTheNinja wrote:

There are no ISIS members / sympathizers in the US? Reeeeeally now...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/02/25/3-arrested-in-us-for-trying-to-join-isis.html


Obama is wrong. You are wrong. Right wing extremism is not the threat - it's a diversion he is using to distract the public from the threat posed by militant Islam. I'm not allowed to use the word "useful idiot" on this forum anymore to describe members because apparently people here get their wittle feewings hurt, but it perfectly describes anyone who eats up this misdirection. Obama doesn't understand the truth, which is that regardless of whether or not he thinks the US is at war with Islam, Islam is very much at war with the US and the rest of Western (actually, pretty much all non-Islamic) civilization.

Experiment 626 wrote:
the bleeding heart Liberal socialist Left's stupidity & ignorance

sirlynchmob wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

There are no ISIS members / sympathizers in the US? Reeeeeally now...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/02/25/3-arrested-in-us-for-trying-to-join-isis.html


Obama is wrong. You are wrong. Right wing extremism is not the threat - it's a diversion he is using to distract the public from the threat posed by militant Islam. I'm not allowed to use the word "useful idiot" on this forum anymore to describe members because apparently people here get their wittle feewings hurt, but it perfectly describes anyone who eats up this misdirection. Obama doesn't understand the truth, which is that regardless of whether or not he thinks the US is at war with Islam, Islam is very much at war with the US and the rest of Western (actually, pretty much all non-Islamic) civilization.

and there's no threat from right wing extremism? Clearly just a diversion and in no way a threat.

Reeeeeally now...
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2015/02/18/illinois-woman-with-neo-nazi-leanings-charged-in-canadian-mass-murder-plot/
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/02/22/letter-threatening-mass-murder/

 BlaxicanX wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:
the bleeding heart Liberal socialist Left's stupidity & ignorance

Did anyone else literally laugh out loud when they read this?

Such delicious vitriol.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

There are no ISIS members / sympathizers in the US? Reeeeeally now...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/02/25/3-arrested-in-us-for-trying-to-join-isis.html


Obama is wrong. You are wrong. Right wing extremism is not the threat - it's a diversion he is using to distract the public from the threat posed by militant Islam. I'm not allowed to use the word "useful idiot" on this forum anymore to describe members because apparently people here get their wittle feewings hurt, but it perfectly describes anyone who eats up this misdirection. Obama doesn't understand the truth, which is that regardless of whether or not he thinks the US is at war with Islam, Islam is very much at war with the US and the rest of Western (actually, pretty much all non-Islamic) civilization.

and there's no threat from right wing extremism? Clearly just a diversion and in no way a threat.

Reeeeeally now...
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2015/02/18/illinois-woman-with-neo-nazi-leanings-charged-in-canadian-mass-murder-plot/
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/02/22/letter-threatening-mass-murder/

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
39 people have been killed since 9/11 by "right wing extremists," and this number includes police officers killed in ambushes. This hardly even registers as a blip on the national homicides radar. Notice how they don't talk about the number of wounded?

39 deaths distributed across the entire US over a decade and a half is completely insignificant compared to 9/11, and the scale of murder perpetrated by Muslim terrorists. ~3,000 people died in 9/11. 166 in Mumbai in 2008. 52 in England on 7/7/05.

Right wing extremism is isolated. Islamic terrorism is coordinated and results in much higher body counts when it is successful. Where right wing extremists are typically lone wolf terrorists or work in very small groups, Islamic terrorism is funded internationally. They are worlds apart. Only a ___________ (see above) would seriously try to suggest that right wing terrorists are more of a threat to America.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

There are no ISIS members / sympathizers in the US? Reeeeeally now...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/02/25/3-arrested-in-us-for-trying-to-join-isis.html


Obama is wrong. You are wrong. Right wing extremism is not the threat - it's a diversion he is using to distract the public from the threat posed by militant Islam. I'm not allowed to use the word "useful idiot" on this forum anymore to describe members because apparently people here get their wittle feewings hurt, but it perfectly describes anyone who eats up this misdirection. Obama doesn't understand the truth, which is that regardless of whether or not he thinks the US is at war with Islam, Islam is very much at war with the US and the rest of Western (actually, pretty much all non-Islamic) civilization.

and there's no threat from right wing extremism? Clearly just a diversion and in no way a threat.

Reeeeeally now...
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2015/02/18/illinois-woman-with-neo-nazi-leanings-charged-in-canadian-mass-murder-plot/
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/02/22/letter-threatening-mass-murder/

 whembly wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

There are no ISIS members / sympathizers in the US? Reeeeeally now...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/02/25/3-arrested-in-us-for-trying-to-join-isis.html


Obama is wrong. You are wrong. Right wing extremism is not the threat - it's a diversion he is using to distract the public from the threat posed by militant Islam. I'm not allowed to use the word "useful idiot" on this forum anymore to describe members because apparently people here get their wittle feewings hurt, but it perfectly describes anyone who eats up this misdirection. Obama doesn't understand the truth, which is that regardless of whether or not he thinks the US is at war with Islam, Islam is very much at war with the US and the rest of Western (actually, pretty much all non-Islamic) civilization.

and there's no threat from right wing extremism? Clearly just a diversion and in no way a threat.

Reeeeeally now...
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2015/02/18/illinois-woman-with-neo-nazi-leanings-charged-in-canadian-mass-murder-plot/
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/02/22/letter-threatening-mass-murder/

SPLC is fething crap... utter and complete CRAP.

This is the same crew who put Ben Carson on the fething extremist list.


Yeah... those guys.

But, really... this is so offtopic, let's stay ontopic.

I saw a tweet that basically stated that most intelligence analyst believes ISIS really WANT a War with the West on the ground there...

O.o

Wut?

 whembly wrote:
I saw a tweet that basically stated that most intelligence analyst believes ISIS really WANT a War with the West on the ground there...

 Frazzled wrote:
It should be easy to contain the plague. Their primary support appears to be coming through (from?) Turkey. Why is Turkey not closing the border?

 Soladrin wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
It should be easy to contain the plague. Their primary support appears to be coming through (from?) Turkey. Why is Turkey not closing the border?

Because Turkey is currently being run by a raving lunatic.

 Frazzled wrote:
It should be easy to contain the plague. Their primary support appears to be coming through (from?) Turkey. Why is Turkey not closing the border?

 Ouze wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
39 people have been killed since 9/11 by "right wing extremists," and this number includes police officers killed in ambushes. This hardly even registers as a blip on the national homicides radar. Notice how they don't talk about the number of wounded?

39 deaths distributed across the entire US over a decade and a half is completely insignificant compared to 9/11, and the scale of murder perpetrated by Muslim terrorists. ~3,000 people died in 9/11. 166 in Mumbai in 2008. 52 in England on 7/7/05.

Right wing extremism is isolated. Islamic terrorism is coordinated and results in much higher body counts when it is successful. Where right wing extremists are typically lone wolf terrorists or work in very small groups, Islamic terrorism is funded internationally. They are worlds apart. Only a ___________ (see above) would seriously try to suggest that right wing terrorists are more of a threat to America.

I like how you dropped the qualifier you used in the first half of the analogy for the second half when it would kind of mess up your argument.

39 people have died in the US to right-wing extremists since 9/11 - your timeframe, your numbers. In the same timeframe (i.e not moving the window), 17 people in the US were killed by Islamic fundamentalists (and zero by ISIL members). By that math, right-wing terrorists are significantly more of a domestic threat.

 Soladrin wrote:

Because Turkey is currently being run by a raving lunatic.

 Soladrin wrote:

Because Turkey is currently being run by a raving lunatic.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
The numbers almost check out, if you include ambushes on police officers (which I would not), and ignore the largest terrorist attack in US history.

Wow, very strong position you've got there!

Factor in the number of Americans killed abroad by Islamic terrorists and those 39 deaths, a padded number to begin with, absolutely pales in comparison.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
If all you have is a hammer.....

What if all you have is a phone and a pen?

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
It should be easy to contain the plague. Their primary support appears to be coming through (from?) Turkey. Why is Turkey not closing the border?

Because Turkey is currently being run by a raving lunatic.

And because they want to destabilize Syria. ISIS is doing their dirty work for them. Saudi Arabia and Iran are guilty of this too.

 Soladrin wrote:

 whembly wrote:


I saw a tweet that basically stated that most intelligence analyst believes ISIS really WANT a War with the West on the ground there...

O.o

Wut?

More Martyrs and a more direct way to kill Western heretics?

 Ouze wrote:

ISIL is a hot-burning candle. They need a steady stream of recruits, and "invading crusaders" would really help with that.

 KiloFiX wrote:
What is it with ethnic grudges over in that part of the world?

 KiloFiX wrote:
What is it with ethnic grudges over in that part of the world?

Their host, Thamir Mohammed al-Askari, reportedly was among the dead.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 KiloFiX wrote:
What is it with ethnic grudges over in that part of the world?

Because they're still in the stone age from a social perspective. back when holding on to your limited food and water sources was a matter of life and death. Century long feuds over grazing and water rights turn into an irrational hatred for other people.

So they're incapable of looking past these tribal differences even though most of the reasons for them have long since disappeared.

ISIS has announced that Lebanon will be the next state to fall under the sway of its “caliphate.” According to Beirut's Daily Star newspaper, the only reason ISIS hasn't attacked yet in force is because they haven't decided on the mission's commander.

The Lebanese army is one of the least effective in the Middle East—and that's saying something in a region where the far more capable Syrian and Iraqi armies are utterly failing to safeguard what should be their own sovereign territory.

So France is going to send a three billion dollar package of weapons to Lebanon and the Saudis are going to pay for it. It won't solve the problem any more than a full-body cast will cure cancer, but it beats standing around and not even trying.

It may seem surprising at first that Riyadh is willing to fund a Lebanese Maginot Line. Saudi Arabia is the most culturally conservative Arab country and Lebanon is the most liberal, partly because of its one-third Christian minority, but also because Lebanon's Sunni Muslims are, for the most part, Mediterranean merchants rather than isolated desert-dwellers. They've been exposed to cosmopolitan ideas and culture for centuries while most Saudis outside the Hejaz region on the Red Sea have been hermetically sealed off from the wider world and its ways for millennia.

Despite the vast cultural differences between Saudi Arabia and Lebanon, the Saudis want Beirut to remain exactly as it is—a freewheeling Arabic-speaking “Amsterdam” or “Hong Kong” on the Med. The Saudis vacation there in droves when they need a break from their fanatically conservative homeland. The country is like a pressure release valve. If they were to lose it, they'd have to holiday in France where they feel profoundly unwelcome.

But aside from all that, the Saudis feel just as uneasy about ISIS as everyone else. Never mind the ideological overlap between the upstart jihadists and the Wahhabi-backed monarchy. ISIS threatens every single government in the region. It would make permanent alliances with none and conquer all if it could.

The Lebanese, of course, are in far more immediate danger. They can feel ISIS' hot breath on their necks. The army has been scrapping with them along the Syrian border for some time now. A majority of Lebanon's population is either Christian, Shia, or Druze, and all three populations rightly see ISIS as a potentially genocidal threat to their very existence. Even the Sunnis, though, fear and loathe ISIS. Other than the nominal sectarian sameness—ISIS also is Sunni—Lebanon's culturally liberal Sunnis have little more in common with ISIS than the French or Italians do.

A serious invasion of Lebanon by ISIS could unleash a bloodbath that makes the civil war in Syria look like a bar fight with pool sticks and beer mugs. It would be tantamount to a Nazi invasion. Every family in Lebanon is armed to the gills thanks to the state being too weak and divided to provide basic security, but people anywhere in the world facing psychopathic mass-murderers will fight with kitchen knives and even their fingernails and teeth if they have to.

The only good thing that might emerge from an attempted ISIS invasion is that the eternally fractious Lebanese might finally realize they have enough in common with each other to band together for survival and kindle something that resembles a national identity for the first time in their history.

Foreign armies don't do well in Lebanon over the long term. The Israelis managed to invade and occupy a large part of the country during the civil war in 1982 and even exiled Yasser Arafat's Palestine Liberation Organization, but they ended up fighting a grinding counterinsurgency against Hezbollah until 2000. The Syrians invaded and dominated the rest of the country, but the biggest demonstrations in the history of the Middle East forced the Assad regime into a humiliating retreat in 2005. Those are just the most recent examples. At the mouth of the Dog River is a mural of sorts. Seventeen conquering armies carved inscriptions into the stone cliffs congratulating themselves for seizing new territory. All, Ozymandius-like, have been vanquished.

So ISIS will eventually lose if thrusts into Lebanon, but the cost could be unspeakable. Few of Lebanon's prior invaders murdered innocent people with such gleeful ferocity. If ISIS makes any headway at all in that country, the rest of us will see just how barbaric they really are when they violently encounter large numbers of people unlike themselves. And the odds that the West will get sucked even deeper into the great war of the Eastern Mediterranean will only loom larger.