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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/03 17:52:14
Subject: ISIS
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Fixture of Dakka
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Tyran wrote:Looking at the article, it doesn't say the Russians dropped the gas. It could have been Assad, or maybe even some other faction.
It was likely the Syrians given they've been doing it for years. I favor the bias of the article though, as if it weren't for the Russians the Syrian government wouldn't even exist right now to drop those shells (it'd be whatever donkey caves were left fighting on that side instead).
But aye, its biased, lemme find an article of the Russians blowing up civilian positions with conventional weapons instead.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/03 18:01:03
Subject: Re:ISIS
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We being the US, you know, the guys who go, but also the guys who pay for it? The cities that have crumbling infrastructure while we have money for ordnance to drop in Libya? The families who face cuts in social services while we pay for the F-35, and so on, and so forth, but it's all good because we're "defending freedom" ( lol). You know, all of us, the people who fund.. . whatever the feth we're doing in the middle east now, the people who go and put life and limb on the line so that we can ultimately resolve nothing and make the world a less safe place, the politicians we vote in knowing full well they're going to keep it going because they need to "do something"; because pointing out that sometimes we don't have the right tool to fix a problem won't get them elected and fear gets a lot of votes - all of us. The military doesn't exist in some mystical vacuum, going it alone. All that adventurism comes from somewhere, as a famous general once said.
So, all of us. We. The US. The guys who pay for all of it are allowed an opinion, too.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/03 18:03:07
Subject: Re:ISIS
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Ouze wrote:
We being the US, you know, the guys who go, but also the guys who pay for it? The cities that have crumbling infrastructure while we have money for ordnance to drop in Libya? The families who face cuts in social services while we pay for the F-35, and so on, and so forth, but it's all good because we're "defending freedom" ( lol). You know, all of us, the people who fund.. . whatever the feth we're doing in the middle east now, the people who go and put life and limb on the line so that we can ultimately resolve nothing and make the world a less safe place, the politicians we vote in knowing full well they're going to keep it going because they need to "do something"; because pointing out that sometimes we don't have the right tool to fix a problem won't get them elected and fear gets a lot of votes - all of us. The military doesn't exist in some mystical vacuum, going it alone. All that adventurism comes from somewhere, as a famous general once said.
So, all of us. We. The US. The guys who pay for all of it are allowed an opinion, too.
Laughy smiley Ouze...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/03 18:05:04
Subject: Re:ISIS
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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It's not really fair to have dumped that on you personally. It's just very frustrating seeing yet another expansion of whatever the hell is going on now. Another expansion of destroying stuff in a place that doesn't want us there, on behalf of people who hate us, at a cost of probably a bajillion dollars, and again without congressional authorization. You know damn well after 60 days, there won't be a request for an AUMF. That's just how it is now. it's wrong and it needs to stop. if we're going to keep getting served these gak sandwiches, the least our elected officials can do is sack up and make sure they have a bite as well.
I don't want the president - this president, any president - unilaterally engaging in armed conflicted without an AUMF, a plan for funding it and - now I'm just being crazy - a plan for a reasonable goal and a reasonable timeframe in that AUMF.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/03 18:05:31
Subject: ISIS
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Wyrmalla wrote: Tyran wrote:Looking at the article, it doesn't say the Russians dropped the gas. It could have been Assad, or maybe even some other faction.
It was likely the Syrians given they've been doing it for years. I favor the bias of the article though, as if it weren't for the Russians the Syrian government wouldn't even exist right now to drop those shells (it'd be whatever donkey caves were left fighting on that side instead).
But aye, its biased, lemme find an article of the Russians blowing up civilian positions with conventional weapons instead.
What is your point? that war is a fething hell and civilians die? Not even the USA, with all it's fancy gadgets, can avoid collateral damage.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/03 18:07:16
Subject: Re:ISIS
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Ouze wrote:It's not really fair to have dumped that on you personally. It's just very frustrating seeing yet another expansion of whatever the hell is going on now. Another expansion of destroying stuff in a place that doesn't want us there, on behalf of people who hate us, at a cost of probably a bajillion dollars, and again without congressional authorization. You know damn well after 60 days, there won't be a request for an AUMF.
Well, maybe cause it's a 30 day mission? (ok, that's enough snark from me)
I can understand the frustration. There is no perfect answer though. Not doing anything just leads to bad gak happening. Doing something leads to less bad gak happening. The cat is out of the bag. Best we can do is just GBU it now and again to keep it as tied up as possible.
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Tyran wrote: Wyrmalla wrote: Tyran wrote:Looking at the article, it doesn't say the Russians dropped the gas. It could have been Assad, or maybe even some other faction.
It was likely the Syrians given they've been doing it for years. I favor the bias of the article though, as if it weren't for the Russians the Syrian government wouldn't even exist right now to drop those shells (it'd be whatever donkey caves were left fighting on that side instead).
But aye, its biased, lemme find an article of the Russians blowing up civilian positions with conventional weapons instead.
What is your point? that war is a fething hell and civilians die? Not even the USA, with all it's fancy gadgets, can avoid collateral damage.
Yes, but we actually try.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/03 18:08:06
Subject: Re:ISIS
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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Ouze wrote:It's not really fair to have dumped that on you personally. It's just very frustrating seeing yet another expansion of whatever the hell is going on now. Another expansion of destroying stuff in a place that doesn't want us there, on behalf of people who hate us, at a cost of probably a bajillion dollars, and again without congressional authorization. You know damn well after 60 days, there won't be a request for an AUMF. That's just how it is now. it's wrong and it needs to stop. if we're going to keep getting served these gak sandwiches, the least our elected officials can do is sack up and make sure they have a bite as well.
I don't want the president - this president, any president - unilaterally engaging in armed conflicted without an AUMF, a plan for funding it and - now I'm just being crazy - a plan for a reasonable goal and a reasonable timeframe in that AUMF.
100% on-the-nose Ouze.
: bro-fist :
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/03 18:10:08
Subject: Re:ISIS
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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djones520 wrote:here is no perfect answer though. Not doing anything just leads to bad gak happening. Doing something leads to less bad gak happening. The cat is out of the bag. Best we can do is just GBU it now and again to keep it as tied up as possible..
I'm not sure that's true at all. But I guess we can't really prove it one way or the other. I think it's pretty clear by now but I think there are conflicts in which we simply cannot get a net win out of, and staying completely out is the least bad option. Yes, it's awful seeing horrible things happen, but horrible things are always going to happen, everywhere, forever, and we can't stop all of them, so at the very least we should try to only stop the ones where something tangibly good comes out of it.
/shrug my 2 cents
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/03 18:11:53
Subject: Re:ISIS
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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djones520 wrote:
I can understand the frustration. There is no perfect answer though. Not doing anything just leads to bad gak happening. Doing something leads to less bad gak happening. The cat is out of the bag. Best we can do is just GBU it now and again to keep it as tied up as possible.
In this case... the Libyan government actually requested the help and after digging deeper, there does seem to be an actual achievable objective. But still... you got our drift.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/03 18:13:06
Subject: Re:ISIS
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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I'm always happy to admit when I'm wrong, should that turn out to be the case in a month.
You guys see this thing about a DC cop arrested for assisting ISIl with money?
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/03 18:17:11
Subject: Re:ISIS
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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That's probably because difference in perception. The American public hates collateral damage, something probably learned from Vietnam. Russia doesn't has that perception, so they can get away with more collateral damage.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/03 21:35:34
Subject: Re:ISIS
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Tyran wrote:
That's probably because difference in perception. The American public hates collateral damage, something probably learned from Vietnam. Russia doesn't has that perception, so they can get away with more collateral damage.
It's been a part of our psyche since the Spanish American War. The only insurgency that we have ever successfully defeated was in the Philippines, and we did that by fighting a horrific style of warfare. When the American public learned of it, it stopped immediately. We were "above" that. World War 2 is the closest we've come to fighting that way since.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/03 22:28:29
Subject: Re:ISIS
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
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whembly wrote: Ouze wrote:It's not really fair to have dumped that on you personally. It's just very frustrating seeing yet another expansion of whatever the hell is going on now. Another expansion of destroying stuff in a place that doesn't want us there, on behalf of people who hate us, at a cost of probably a bajillion dollars, and again without congressional authorization. You know damn well after 60 days, there won't be a request for an AUMF. That's just how it is now. it's wrong and it needs to stop. if we're going to keep getting served these gak sandwiches, the least our elected officials can do is sack up and make sure they have a bite as well.
I don't want the president - this president, any president - unilaterally engaging in armed conflicted without an AUMF, a plan for funding it and - now I'm just being crazy - a plan for a reasonable goal and a reasonable timeframe in that AUMF.
100% on-the-nose Ouze.
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Maybe read the of war before deciding...
Its principles are very accurate to this day including a chapter on when, how and the concquemces of bladly planned wars.
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I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/04 10:35:43
Subject: ISIS
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
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Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/05 05:07:16
Subject: ISIS
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Lord of the Fleet
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Freakazoitt wrote:
You want kosher weapons, here are kosher weapons. No more whataboutism, they lost twice their chance to become real moderates, now they considered as a terrorists and must be destroyed. Even USA agree that
Yes, and they also gave up their neighbors chance to become moderates, and their children, and anyone else for four or five blocks.
And if they weren't terrorists before, they are now that you've blinded their children for the rest of their lives.
My views on chlorine and other chemical weapons are well known on this board, so I won't make the mods edit it for language and content.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/05 06:43:38
Subject: ISIS
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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Wyrmalla wrote: Tyran wrote:Looking at the article, it doesn't say the Russians dropped the gas. It could have been Assad, or maybe even some other faction.
It was likely the Syrians given they've been doing it for years. I favor the bias of the article though, as if it weren't for the Russians the Syrian government wouldn't even exist right now to drop those shells (it'd be whatever donkey caves were left fighting on that side instead).
But aye, its biased, lemme find an article of the Russians blowing up civilian positions with conventional weapons instead.
Sure, every side in the war does that, the Americans no less than the Russians.
At least Russia is attempting to rescue civilians too. Like with the evacuation of Aleppo where many thousands of civilians are held hostage in the middle of a warzone by the West's allies, the so-called "moderate opposition". This particular helicopter had in fact been on a humanitarian mission related to that, carrying members of the Russian reconciliation centre. I don't see the American armed forces doing much humanitarian work...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/05 09:51:41
Subject: Re:ISIS
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Ouze wrote:I don't want the president - this president, any president - unilaterally engaging in armed conflicted without an AUMF, a plan for funding it and - now I'm just being crazy - a plan for a reasonable goal and a reasonable timeframe in that AUMF.
And ostensibly a plan for winning? Or not. I guess actually trying to win a war stopped being part of the American way after WWII. :/
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/05 10:01:16
Subject: ISIS
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Probably because you're not looking very hard. American carriers use their medical facilities to provide eye surgery to much of the third world, for example. Can't have the Great Capitalist Satan doing good though, eh?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/05 10:13:24
Subject: ISIS
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And this is just the list of actual operational missions. Smaller level relief missions are regular. Here's a short list of missions that ran in Q1 2007;
On March 5, a U.S. Air Force C-130 Hercules cargo plane delivered another $30,000 of emergency relief supplies -– including water containers and pumps -– to flood-devastated eastern Bolivia, where 70,000 families have been affected by months of heavy rainfall. The United States has donated nearly $1 million in disaster assistance since Bolivia declared a national emergency.
On February 26, U.S. military engineers in Assamo, Djibouti, a village near the Ethiopian border, surveyed a site for a new water well scheduled to be dug in April, part of an ongoing project to aid communities in the Horn of Africa region.
For nine days in late February, a team of 20 Air Force medics provided health care for more than 6,500 people La Pita, El Sol and Santa Teresa, Nicaragua, while an Army veterinary team vaccinated more than 3,300 animals for farmers in 10 communities. Follow-on medical teams are working in Nicaragua through mid-March.
On February 18, U.S. Marines and Navy construction crews completed a new elementary school for 100 children in General Santos City, the Philippines, as part of a 10-day visit called Project Kaibigan –- Tagalog for “friendship” –- in which more than 1,000 American military people helped build or renovate schools in three communities.
In January, a U.S. military medical team spent three weeks in Choculeta, Honduras, where they saved the lives of four newborns, performed 167 major surgeries and conducted 500 medical exams at the regional Hospital del Sur.
In Afghanistan’s Khost province, many U.S. troops at Forward Operating Base Salerno spend their off-duty days volunteering to help treat patients at the base’s burn clinic. In the region’s harsh climate, hundreds of people are burned each year from exploding heaters in their homes. The U.S. military treats patients at its on-base clinic and has trained Afghan medical specialists to set up a burn clinic outside the military base.
Airforce regularly runs supply missions to impoverished parts of the world. The Army loans out soldiers with specialized training (medics and engineers and the like) to developing countries to help train locals and build of infrastructure. On top of being powerful weapons of war, air craft carriers are really really useful in crisis situations, especially ones like major earthquakes and tsunamis that knock out local infrastructures like in Haiti and Fukushima. These days whenever a major natural disaster hits, there's usually a US carrier on site within a few days flying in relief aid. It doesn't make the news much because, come on, it's not exactly "cool" in the way we expect the military to be cool. The US has the most absurdly funded armed forces on the planet. They don't spend all that money sitting around 24/7 not doing anything. They have to justify their budget and all the toys in peacetime somehow
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/05 16:36:14
Subject: Re:ISIS
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He was specifically talking about the Iraq-Syria conflict, not the rest of the world, wasn't he? Do you have examples of US humanitarian missions in Iraq and Syria?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/05 16:49:27
Subject: ISIS
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Iron_Captain wrote: Wyrmalla wrote: Tyran wrote:Looking at the article, it doesn't say the Russians dropped the gas. It could have been Assad, or maybe even some other faction.
It was likely the Syrians given they've been doing it for years. I favor the bias of the article though, as if it weren't for the Russians the Syrian government wouldn't even exist right now to drop those shells (it'd be whatever donkey caves were left fighting on that side instead).
But aye, its biased, lemme find an article of the Russians blowing up civilian positions with conventional weapons instead.
Sure, every side in the war does that, the Americans no less than the Russians.
At least Russia is attempting to rescue civilians too. Like with the evacuation of Aleppo where many thousands of civilians are held hostage in the middle of a warzone by the West's allies, the so-called "moderate opposition". This particular helicopter had in fact been on a humanitarian mission related to that, carrying members of the Russian reconciliation centre. I don't see the American armed forces doing much humanitarian work...
A man who keeps his eyes shut doesn't see much.
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2016/07/259622.htm
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2015/09/247115.htm
State Department has given 5.6 billion in funds since 2012.
US Department of Defense has delivered thousands of tons of aid.
http://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/603047
http://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/603541/us-airdrops-aid-in-support-of-iraqi-humanitarian-efforts
http://www.afcent.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/4779/Article/643012/shipping-blood-saving-lives.aspx
Just a small sampling.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/05 16:52:04
Subject: Re:ISIS
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djones520 wrote: Tyran wrote:
That's probably because difference in perception. The American public hates collateral damage, something probably learned from Vietnam. Russia doesn't has that perception, so they can get away with more collateral damage.
It's been a part of our psyche since the Spanish American War. The only insurgency that we have ever successfully defeated was in the Philippines, and we did that by fighting a horrific style of warfare. When the American public learned of it, it stopped immediately. We were "above" that. World War 2 is the closest we've come to fighting that way since.
Hrm, it didnt stop immediately, it took a while to taper off. Likewise, in Vietnam the US engaged in horrific acts routinely, and just called everyone a combatant or guerilla after the fact to disguise what was going on, huge numbers of former US servicemen have written about this.
The US likes to think its above these things, and probably tries harder than most, but by no means has the US been free of such actions since the 1890's, nor has it always stopped as soon as it was made public.
Thats said, if I were a civilian in a warzone, I'd rather have it be against the US than most other powers.
In fact, one can make the argument that ISIS continues to exist solely because of the mercy of the US and the West in general. Looking at empires past, if the Assyrians, Huns Israelites, Mongols, Romans, Han, etc were swapped for the US, I doubt anything in Eastern Syria or Northern Iraq would be alive or left standing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/05 16:56:52
Subject: Re:ISIS
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/15/russian-airstrikes-in-syria-killed-2000-civilians-in-six-months
Russian airstrikes in Syria have killed about 2,000 civilians in six months of attacks on markets, hospitals, schools and homes, rights groups and observers say, warning that plans for a military drawdown may not mean an end to the deaths.
Moscow has insisted it carried out only surgical strikes on “terrorists”, but victims and fighters say bombers strayed well behind frontlines in areas far from strongholds of Islamic State or al-Qaida fighters.
Jets appear to have intentionally bombed civilian areas, in a campaign to spread fear and clear areas where government ground troops were planning to advance. Coalition airstrikes led by the US have also killed civilians, but have stricter rules of engagement.
http://www.stripes.com/news/us-launches-2nd-formal-investigation-into-civilian-deaths-in-syria-1.422079
The United States has admitted killing 55 civilians during its two-year air war against the Islamic State group in Iraq and Syria
So get off your holier then thou soap box. The Russian's don't give a gak about civilian casualties, never have. There is no equivalency between our two nations.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/05 17:02:34
Subject: Re:ISIS
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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djones520 wrote: Tyran wrote:
That's probably because difference in perception. The American public hates collateral damage, something probably learned from Vietnam. Russia doesn't has that perception, so they can get away with more collateral damage.
It's been a part of our psyche since the Spanish American War. The only insurgency that we have ever successfully defeated was in the Philippines, and we did that by fighting a horrific style of warfare. When the American public learned of it, it stopped immediately. We were "above" that. World War 2 is the closest we've come to fighting that way since.
Um...the Seminoles, Comanche, Apache, Iroquois, Cherokee, and Blackfoot would like to have a word with you...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/05 17:12:42
Subject: Re:ISIS
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Breotan wrote: Ouze wrote:I don't want the president - this president, any president - unilaterally engaging in armed conflicted without an AUMF, a plan for funding it and - now I'm just being crazy - a plan for a reasonable goal and a reasonable timeframe in that AUMF.
And ostensibly a plan for winning? Or not. I guess actually trying to win a war stopped being part of the American way after WWII. :/
The problem isn't that we've stopped trying to win a war since WWII, it's the fact that we view success/failure in today's "wars" in WWII context. Square pegs don't fit in round holes, no matter how hard you whack 'em.
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Subject: Re:ISIS
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Frazzled wrote: djones520 wrote: Tyran wrote:
That's probably because difference in perception. The American public hates collateral damage, something probably learned from Vietnam. Russia doesn't has that perception, so they can get away with more collateral damage.
It's been a part of our psyche since the Spanish American War. The only insurgency that we have ever successfully defeated was in the Philippines, and we did that by fighting a horrific style of warfare. When the American public learned of it, it stopped immediately. We were "above" that. World War 2 is the closest we've come to fighting that way since.
Um...the Seminoles, Comanche, Apache, Iroquois, Cherokee, and Blackfoot would like to have a word with you...
Not seeing how referencing things prior to the event I was talking about has anything to do with anything.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/05 20:36:45
Subject: Re:ISIS
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djones520 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/15/russian-airstrikes-in-syria-killed-2000-civilians-in-six-months
Russian airstrikes in Syria have killed about 2,000 civilians in six months of attacks on markets, hospitals, schools and homes, rights groups and observers say, warning that plans for a military drawdown may not mean an end to the deaths.
Moscow has insisted it carried out only surgical strikes on “terrorists”, but victims and fighters say bombers strayed well behind frontlines in areas far from strongholds of Islamic State or al-Qaida fighters.
Jets appear to have intentionally bombed civilian areas, in a campaign to spread fear and clear areas where government ground troops were planning to advance. Coalition airstrikes led by the US have also killed civilians, but have stricter rules of engagement.
http://www.stripes.com/news/us-launches-2nd-formal-investigation-into-civilian-deaths-in-syria-1.422079
The United States has admitted killing 55 civilians during its two-year air war against the Islamic State group in Iraq and Syria
So get off your holier then thou soap box. The Russian's don't give a gak about civilian casualties, never have. There is no equivalency between our two nations.
Russian airstrikes likely have killed a lot more than the US ones but comparing US admitted statistics to third party statistics for Russia doesn't work.
Russia has also done a lot more damage to ISIS than the US.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/06 05:30:05
Subject: Re:ISIS
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Well, yeah. To paraphrase the Little Red Book, the terrorist is the fish, the people the water. If you kill all the regular people, there's no one to hide the terrorists from you.
Gas the area, anyone who dies obviously was either a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer. It's the great thing about chemical weapons and civilians. There's usually no one left to protest the innocence of the dead.
Remember, Russia's terror policy has been and probably always will be 'shoot through the hostages' even when they're fellow Russians.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/06 17:28:25
Subject: ISIS
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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LordofHats wrote:
And this is just the list of actual operational missions. Smaller level relief missions are regular. Here's a short list of missions that ran in Q1 2007;
On March 5, a U.S. Air Force C-130 Hercules cargo plane delivered another $30,000 of emergency relief supplies -– including water containers and pumps -– to flood-devastated eastern Bolivia, where 70,000 families have been affected by months of heavy rainfall. The United States has donated nearly $1 million in disaster assistance since Bolivia declared a national emergency.
On February 26, U.S. military engineers in Assamo, Djibouti, a village near the Ethiopian border, surveyed a site for a new water well scheduled to be dug in April, part of an ongoing project to aid communities in the Horn of Africa region.
For nine days in late February, a team of 20 Air Force medics provided health care for more than 6,500 people La Pita, El Sol and Santa Teresa, Nicaragua, while an Army veterinary team vaccinated more than 3,300 animals for farmers in 10 communities. Follow-on medical teams are working in Nicaragua through mid-March.
On February 18, U.S. Marines and Navy construction crews completed a new elementary school for 100 children in General Santos City, the Philippines, as part of a 10-day visit called Project Kaibigan –- Tagalog for “friendship” –- in which more than 1,000 American military people helped build or renovate schools in three communities.
In January, a U.S. military medical team spent three weeks in Choculeta, Honduras, where they saved the lives of four newborns, performed 167 major surgeries and conducted 500 medical exams at the regional Hospital del Sur.
In Afghanistan’s Khost province, many U.S. troops at Forward Operating Base Salerno spend their off-duty days volunteering to help treat patients at the base’s burn clinic. In the region’s harsh climate, hundreds of people are burned each year from exploding heaters in their homes. The U.S. military treats patients at its on-base clinic and has trained Afghan medical specialists to set up a burn clinic outside the military base.
Airforce regularly runs supply missions to impoverished parts of the world. The Army loans out soldiers with specialized training (medics and engineers and the like) to developing countries to help train locals and build of infrastructure. On top of being powerful weapons of war, air craft carriers are really really useful in crisis situations, especially ones like major earthquakes and tsunamis that knock out local infrastructures like in Haiti and Fukushima. These days whenever a major natural disaster hits, there's usually a US carrier on site within a few days flying in relief aid. It doesn't make the news much because, come on, it's not exactly "cool" in the way we expect the military to be cool. The US has the most absurdly funded armed forces on the planet. They don't spend all that money sitting around 24/7 not doing anything. They have to justify their budget and all the toys in peacetime somehow 
Is that in Syria? No. Is this thread about Syria? Yes. Are we talking about Syria? Yes. That the US armed forces give aid in (relatively) safe areas far from active warzones is irrelevant. Russian soldiers risk their lifes in the middle of the hottest warzone in the world (and some have now indeed died for it) to open humanitarian corridors and evecuate the people of Aleppo. Has the US military done anything like that in Syria? No. US soldiers don't risk their lifes like that, they stay safely far from the warzone.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/08/06 17:31:31
Subject: ISIS
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Oh, just bomb them and that's all. You left a lot of unfinished work in Iraq
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