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Assad bombed Kurds... Erdogan entered to Kurds territories (prevously captured by ISIL) and bombed Kurds. No reaction from Putin... It means only USA supporting Kurds now
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The next big threat to the region (particularly Turkey) after ISIS will be Kurdish terrorism. That's a self fulfilling prophecy, considering how Turkey is treating them and we're betraying them.
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And the US is more interested in Iraqi Kurds, they don't really care that much about Syrian Kurds. Meanwhile, neither Erdogan nor Assad really care about Iraqi Kurds while they hate the Syrian ones.
So yeah the Syrian Kurds aren't in the most stable position, specially after they stupidly charged into the Turk-reinforced FSA
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Ahhh, Turkey. Still working out the difference between 'civilians' and 'combatants'. I suppose it's hard when the local people are aligned with the Kurds after they liberated them from ISIS.
Then again there seems to be a lot of confusion in general right now.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
Ahhh, Turkey. Still working out the difference between 'civilians' and 'combatants'. I suppose it's hard when the local people are aligned with the Kurds after they liberated them from ISIS.
Then again there seems to be a lot of confusion in general right now.
Sarcasm?
I'm thinking that Turkey is done playing honestly. They're in full defensive posture, and who they seek to defend themselves against isn't ISIS anymore, if it ever was. Erdogan seems to have much freer hands since that coup or fake coup (whichever).
LordofHats wrote: They're in full defensive posture, and who they seek to defend themselves against isn't ISIS anymore
Well, I hear Imperialism *IS* back 'in'. Just ask Putin!
The problem is that what Turkey is demanding is effectively a war crime. They're screaming for all Kurds to be forcibly driven beyond the east bank of the Euphrates. That's a lot of civvies. And if Turkey isn't too shy about killing them all, it may lead to the first Nato on Nato violence.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
LordofHats wrote: They're in full defensive posture, and who they seek to defend themselves against isn't ISIS anymore
Well, I hear Imperialism *IS* back 'in'. Just ask Putin!
The problem is that what Turkey is demanding is effectively a war crime. They're screaming for all Kurds to be forcibly driven beyond the east bank of the Euphrates. That's a lot of civvies. And if Turkey isn't too shy about killing them all, it may lead to the first Nato on Nato violence.
I think I have said it before in this thread regarding Turkey and any possible repercussions by its NATO partners or EU neighbours over its treatment of the Kurds:
As long as Turkey is needed any number of attrocities will be tolerated. Kurds being murdered has been a thing for a long while.
You would think that Western European nations would take a dim view of dictatorships especially post WW2 but Spain, Portugal and Greece were tolerated whilst their governments did typically nasty things to their citizens.
Erdogan really has nothing to loose and could quite easily go in front of the world media and call Kurds vermin that need to be exterminated and receive nothing more in return than some well spun media response that calls such talk 'ill advised'..
Yeah, about this, am I the only one worried about a true genocide that might go on in the next months/years, enforced by Turkish military in Syria/near the border ?
It'll happen in South Eastern Turkey, where most of the Kurds in Turkey live, before that happens. Presumably though, Erdogan is too smart in this modern age of technology to be so overt about handling domestics. More likely he'll continue to marginalize the Kurds politically, and use control of the courts and law enforcement to gradually force them out bit by bit (that's the usually goes these days, unless you're in the middle of Africa and can safely assume no one cares that you're killing everyone )
LordofHats wrote: It'll happen in South Eastern Turkey, where most of the Kurds in Turkey live, before that happens.
Nah, Syria is perfect for it. he as a wide selection of people to blame it on. ISIS, Putin, Assad, Syrian rebels.
God dammit, the gak with FARC finally ends and now this gak.
I lay awake at night, and all I can think of is the yawning abyss this is spawning and the endless graves of the dead, and dying, and those that will die. In Syria, and Israel, and Eastern Europe, and Asia, and on and on and on because the evil men do. How the wickedness of the 20th century is still echoing, still killing, still maiming. So afraid of one grave now, they will bury a thousand thousand of their children to prevent that single loss.
Domine salva nos, perimus: impera, et fac Deus tranquilitatem. .
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
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Our president in functions (he hasn't managed to get his second term approved yet, and that's after two general elections, third ones in christmas ) looks quite confused. he also seems to be trying to block the guy next to him from the camera's sight
Looks like a class photo, most are doing silly things, looking the wrong way, making faces or talking to each other. I sure feel safe knowing they are watching for our safety from the 'orrible 'orrible lads from the class next do- I mean, DAESH.
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aldo wrote: Our president in functions (he hasn't managed to get his second term approved yet, and that's after two general elections, third ones in christmas ) looks quite confused. he also seems to be trying to block the guy next to him from the camera's sight
Looks like a class photo, most are doing silly things, looking the wrong way, making faces or talking to each other. I sure feel safe knowing they are watching for our safety from the 'orrible 'orrible lads from the class next do- I mean, DAESH.
International politics and diplomacy does indeed bear a great resemblence to a school. A school with very naughty, unruly children that is. It is hilarious how childish diplomacy can be at times.
The cruelest irony of a U.S.-led coalition strike that mistakenly killed at least 62 Syrian forces is that rather than damage the Islamic State, as the strikes intended, the coalition may instead been a boon for the terror group.
The Syrian forces based near the eastern city of Deir el-Zour, the site of four strikes Saturday, were a buffer between the citizens of Deir el-Zour and the terror group. And if Syrian troops were hit by a coalition strike, it could lead them to retreat, creating an opening for ISIS to move onto a major city in eastern Syrian.
There's a fair few internationals fighting in support of the revolution in Rojava (formerly part of northern Syria). I think if Turkey kills even a few US citizens or Brits, there may be repercussions.
The cruelest irony of a U.S.-led coalition strike that mistakenly killed at least 62 Syrian forces is that rather than damage the Islamic State, as the strikes intended, the coalition may instead been a boon for the terror group.
The Syrian forces based near the eastern city of Deir el-Zour, the site of four strikes Saturday, were a buffer between the citizens of Deir el-Zour and the terror group. And if Syrian troops were hit by a coalition strike, it could lead them to retreat, creating an opening for ISIS to move onto a major city in eastern Syrian.
So many dead in the besieged city - it's a big loss for defenders
Yeah, and it is even worse for the already heavily damaged reputation of the US in that area. Who will trust them now that they are actually helping IS? Those Syrian troops were defending a strategic mountain position outside of Deir-ez-Zor, which IS was now able to take.
It wouldn't hurt the US to just show a bit more remorse over this (or at least pretend to). And it definitely goes to show that US intelligence needs improvement. I mean, they needed the Russians to tell them they were hitting the wrong guys...
Putin to Edrogan - "You're picking your nose completely wrong...look let me show you how it's done"
Edrogan to Putin - "Ahhhh, that's much better"
Obama - "That looks lovely and juicy, mmmmm..."
Sorry couldn't stop myself
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
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The cruelest irony of a U.S.-led coalition strike that mistakenly killed at least 62 Syrian forces is that rather than damage the Islamic State, as the strikes intended, the coalition may instead been a boon for the terror group.
The Syrian forces based near the eastern city of Deir el-Zour, the site of four strikes Saturday, were a buffer between the citizens of Deir el-Zour and the terror group. And if Syrian troops were hit by a coalition strike, it could lead them to retreat, creating an opening for ISIS to move onto a major city in eastern Syrian.
So many dead in the besieged city - it's a big loss for defenders
Yeah, and it is even worse for the already heavily damaged reputation of the US in that area. Who will trust them now that they are actually helping IS? Those Syrian troops were defending a strategic mountain position outside of Deir-ez-Zor, which IS was now able to take.
It wouldn't hurt the US to just show a bit more remorse over this (or at least pretend to). And it definitely goes to show that US intelligence needs improvement. I mean, they needed the Russians to tell them they were hitting the wrong guys...
This is a pretty routine issue with the US, though any intensive aerial bombing campaign will have such issues (it's not like the other European nations or Russia haven't had booboo's either, at some point most of the G7 if not G20 nations in the last few years have done something like that be it in Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Chechnya, Iraq, Serbia, etc). Local, on the ground intelligence is lacking, the side with the airplanes thinks everything can be solved by throwing ordnance at whatever looks "bad", and mistakes occur. They're stupid, tragic, and often avoidable, and in several instances have resulted in US or allied troops killed over the last 20 years, and it's usually reacted to with little more than a "my bad, sorry bro". It's also the same mindset that allowed the Serbs to get NATO to blow up a whole lot of empty positions and fake tanks in the 90's
IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
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Freakazoitt wrote: Two turkish tanks helping FSA attack were destroyed by ISIL using russian made ATM (probably, obtained in Iraq)
Well lets just hope that those in the tanks survived relatively uninjured and that it's not another family that has to go through that sort of grief.
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
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The Lost and Damned
Inquisition
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