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Yeah pretty despicable how much they're doing to stop our side of the argument having a voice. The anti-gg crowd got a black game dev fired for starting the notyoursheild campaign, boogie was scared out of supporting it by warnings of being excluded (basically losing his job too)... it's shocking how bad this is, but how little coverage this aspect it's getting in games media really shows the single sided narrative. And yet the GamerGaters are the attackers here supposedly.

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 Yonan wrote:
Yeah pretty despicable how much they're doing to stop our side of the argument having a voice. The anti-gg crowd got a black game dev fired for starting the notyoursheild campaign, boogie was scared out of supporting it by warnings of being excluded (basically losing his job too)... it's shocking how bad this is, but how little coverage this aspect it's getting in games media really shows the single sided narrative. And yet the GamerGaters are the attackers here supposedly.


This logic...

'Surreal' is the best word I have for it.

Edit: Not directed at you, but at the media.

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I figured, but thanks for the clarification ; p

Great soundcloud interview by Milo with Adam Baldwin and Christina Hoff Sommers on Gamergate went up today. I didn't know he was in Firefly. Gorram femnazis! ; p

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am seeing some rather unpleasant implications going on here, though. NotYourShield is good, but people taking the Quinn/Wardell discrepancy as an excuse to snipe at feminism is... not good. I am less concerned with what happens with the scandals and journalism as it seems most people have realised the problems, but I am concerned about the snipes.


It's because they aren't real feminists.

Feminists do not target men. Feminism wants equal rights, and equality between men and women regardless of race.

Saying women should have more benefits of men is not feminism. Which is some of the implied nature of the feminist fight in this debate. There are a ton of egalitarians in this movement and all of them are quite rational in this debate.

I have tried on numerous occasions to talk these people and rationalize and say that they do not properly fit the definition of a feminist.

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 Asherian Command wrote:
am seeing some rather unpleasant implications going on here, though. NotYourShield is good, but people taking the Quinn/Wardell discrepancy as an excuse to snipe at feminism is... not good. I am less concerned with what happens with the scandals and journalism as it seems most people have realised the problems, but I am concerned about the snipes.


It's because they aren't real feminists.

Feminists do not target men. Feminism wants equal rights, and equality between men and women regardless of race.

Saying women should have more benefits of men is not feminism. Which is some of the implied nature of the feminist fight in this debate. There are a ton of egalitarians in this movement and all of them are quite rational in this debate.

I have tried on numerous occasions to talk these people and rationalize and say that they do not properly fit the definition of a feminist.


But what he's saying is that the hate on Quinn/Sark is causing people to snipe on ACTUAL Feminists. And that is a problem if true (Haven't seen it but haven't been looking for it, either).

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I haven't seen it but it is possible. They're poisoning their own well with what they're doing. Everything I've seen however is rational people thanking Sommers for her input and agreeing pretty much wholeheartedly with Emma Watsons recent speech.
   
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 Slarg232 wrote:
But what he's saying is that the hate on Quinn/Sark is causing people to snipe on ACTUAL Feminists.

She.
Also this thread is coming pretty damn close to confuse “actual feminists” with “people that tells me what I want to hear”, I think.

"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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 Yonan wrote:
I haven't seen it but it is possible. They're poisoning their own well with what they're doing. Everything I've seen however is rational people thanking Sommers for her input and agreeing pretty much wholeheartedly with Emma Watsons recent speech.


Well, except for those attacking Sommers.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Slarg232 wrote:
But what he's saying is that the hate on Quinn/Sark is causing people to snipe on ACTUAL Feminists.

She.
Also this thread is coming pretty damn close to confuse “actual feminists” with “people that tells me what I want to hear”, I think.


Bloody people changing bloody avatars and bloody bloody things....


If "People that tells me what I want to hear" are the people saying "We are all in for gender equality" and not "Men are te h evils", then yes, I suppose it is.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Yonan wrote:
I haven't seen it but it is possible. They're poisoning their own well with what they're doing. Everything I've seen however is rational people thanking Sommers for her input and agreeing pretty much wholeheartedly with Emma Watsons recent speech.


Well, except for those attacking Sommers.

The rad fems and their sockpuppets (the journos) did that pretty quickly didn't they yeah.
   
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 Slarg232 wrote:
If "People that tells me what I want to hear" are the people saying "We are all in for gender equality" and not "Men are te h evils", then yes, I suppose it is.

Have you ever seen anyone saying “men are the evils”. Did I miss them, or are you just strawmaning people that raise issues that bothers you rather than just sticking to very consensual stuff?

"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Slarg232 wrote:
If "People that tells me what I want to hear" are the people saying "We are all in for gender equality" and not "Men are te h evils", then yes, I suppose it is.

Have you ever seen anyone saying “men are the evils”. Did I miss them, or are you just strawmaning people that raise issues that bothers you rather than just sticking to very consensual stuff?


Well, when "Feminists" like the journalists start calling a very large group of people a "Bunch of white male misogynistic neck beards", to which women/non-whites come out and say "We aren't men"/"We aren't white", to which the Journalists/supporters start calling those people fake accounts, sock puppets, or willing slaves (Not to mention the racial slurs), you can see how it's a pretty easy line to draw.

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 Slarg232 wrote:
 Asherian Command wrote:
am seeing some rather unpleasant implications going on here, though. NotYourShield is good, but people taking the Quinn/Wardell discrepancy as an excuse to snipe at feminism is... not good. I am less concerned with what happens with the scandals and journalism as it seems most people have realised the problems, but I am concerned about the snipes.


It's because they aren't real feminists.

Feminists do not target men. Feminism wants equal rights, and equality between men and women regardless of race.

Saying women should have more benefits of men is not feminism. Which is some of the implied nature of the feminist fight in this debate. There are a ton of egalitarians in this movement and all of them are quite rational in this debate.

I have tried on numerous occasions to talk these people and rationalize and say that they do not properly fit the definition of a feminist.


But what he's saying is that the hate on Quinn/Sark is causing people to snipe on ACTUAL Feminists. And that is a problem if true (Haven't seen it but haven't been looking for it, either).

Ha.

I have not sniped at them, I merely make mockery of their statements.

Or I objectively criticize their works as I see it as quite deplorable or disfigured compared to someone who has willingly researched and done more than just listen to a public speaker.

A well informed individual who claims to be part of the movement must of individually taken an interest and must be educated to be apart of that group.

Now for gamers this is similar, many are educated in what a game is, and have willingly for pleasure played a game.

Also on Sommers, I think it is interesting only one person thus far has criticized her and that is Peregrine.

Which in itself is quite interesting, as I having looked up the research myself and found sources to debate the subject. I disagree with a lot of things she does say mostly about the wage gap etc.

It just comes to shove that not everyone has the same opinion and just because that person has a similar view on a subject does not mean we all have the same views. Unlike the media seems to paint us for.

I remember a few days ago someone said I must be a republician for supporting gamer gate. I replied with. "You do realize I am a hardcore egalitarian socialist right?"

Which they replied with. "Liar." And blocked me.

You can see the dilemma with the other side is quite clear they stick their head under the dirt and ignore us, thinking we might just go away. Unaware to them their house is burning down and their insurance won't pay for it.

That safety net for journalists is slowly starting to recede. As big advertisers slowly began to move away from the games media, seeing it might actually be more trouble than its worth to stay with that company.


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 Slarg232 wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Slarg232 wrote:
If "People that tells me what I want to hear" are the people saying "We are all in for gender equality" and not "Men are te h evils", then yes, I suppose it is.

Have you ever seen anyone saying “men are the evils”. Did I miss them, or are you just strawmaning people that raise issues that bothers you rather than just sticking to very consensual stuff?


Well, when "Feminists" like the journalists start calling a very large group of people a "Bunch of white male misogynistic neck beards", to which women/non-whites come out and say "We aren't men"/"We aren't white", to which the Journalists/supporters start calling those people fake accounts, sock puppets, or willing slaves (Not to mention the racial slurs), you can see how it's a pretty easy line to draw.


That was quite disturbing I found that quite unbelievable. I openly admitted I was white and they called me a sock puppet still.

So I stopped talking on twitter, because it was in-futile to discuss things with these peoples.

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I never meant to imply that you sniped at people, only that people have been

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 Slarg232 wrote:
I never meant to imply that you sniped at people, only that people have been


I know

But there are many who would think otherwise.

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Edit: You know what, nevermind. It's not worth it.


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 Slarg232 wrote:
 Asherian Command wrote:
am seeing some rather unpleasant implications going on here, though. NotYourShield is good, but people taking the Quinn/Wardell discrepancy as an excuse to snipe at feminism is... not good. I am less concerned with what happens with the scandals and journalism as it seems most people have realised the problems, but I am concerned about the snipes.


It's because they aren't real feminists.

Feminists do not target men. Feminism wants equal rights, and equality between men and women regardless of race.

Saying women should have more benefits of men is not feminism. Which is some of the implied nature of the feminist fight in this debate. There are a ton of egalitarians in this movement and all of them are quite rational in this debate.

I have tried on numerous occasions to talk these people and rationalize and say that they do not properly fit the definition of a feminist.


But what he's saying is that the hate on Quinn/Sark is causing people to snipe on ACTUAL Feminists. And that is a problem if true (Haven't seen it but haven't been looking for it, either).


I have, and it is worrying.

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 Ashiraya wrote:
Edit: You know what, nevermind. It's not worth it.


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 Slarg232 wrote:
 Asherian Command wrote:
am seeing some rather unpleasant implications going on here, though. NotYourShield is good, but people taking the Quinn/Wardell discrepancy as an excuse to snipe at feminism is... not good. I am less concerned with what happens with the scandals and journalism as it seems most people have realised the problems, but I am concerned about the snipes.


It's because they aren't real feminists.

Feminists do not target men. Feminism wants equal rights, and equality between men and women regardless of race.

Saying women should have more benefits of men is not feminism. Which is some of the implied nature of the feminist fight in this debate. There are a ton of egalitarians in this movement and all of them are quite rational in this debate.

I have tried on numerous occasions to talk these people and rationalize and say that they do not properly fit the definition of a feminist.


But what he's saying is that the hate on Quinn/Sark is causing people to snipe on ACTUAL Feminists. And that is a problem if true (Haven't seen it but haven't been looking for it, either).


I have, and it is worrying.


Methinks Anita Sarkeesian gives Feminism a bad name...
   
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To me the real shame in this is that sexism in gaming IS a valid issue that needs to be addressed. Unfortunately its been derailed by mountebanks and opportunists on both sides of this.


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Exactly.

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Oh god I hope this a joke

This is from movie bob one of the critics against gamer gate -.-

You know this is the reason this movement is quite angry at the media....
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByNfvszCMAAkqUP.png


The video in question. The kid targets people war livestreaming on purpose. Personally I see no problem with this. Its not a hate crime its just a teenager killing people in World of Warcraft.

Now you know why I think it might be a joke. But alas it is not.... (in terms of movie bobs response, I Hoped it was a joke.)
(The VIDEO) ITS A HATE CRIME SEE! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-veY0LQ1QcU

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'How to gank a girl gamer'.

He sure comes off as mature and righteous...

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on the forum. Obviously

Yeah, seems to be a bit tasteless, imo.
Not quite sure if it's deserving of imprisonment though.

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yeah, seems to be a bit tasteless, imo.
Not quite sure if it's deserving of imprisonment though.


Probably not. I don't see why they would stir a commotion. Standard troll. Ignore, move on.

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 Asherian Command wrote:
Personally I see no problem with this.

Really? I mean, really?
And then you will still wonder why people link the GG with misogyny ?

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 Boggy Man wrote:
To me the real shame in this is that sexism in gaming IS a valid issue that needs to be addressed. Unfortunately its been derailed by mountebanks and opportunists on both sides of this.



Sexism has nothing to do with gaming. That's something people need to understand.

There is sexism in gaming. But it's not there because of gaming. It's there because it's there among a much larger group: everyone. If you want to reduce sexism in gaming, you need to reduce sexism as a whole.

   
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 Sigvatr wrote:
There is sexism in gaming.


 Sigvatr wrote:
Sexism has nothing to do with gaming.


Riiiiiight.

Gaming is as relevant as anywhere else. It does not get a get-out-of-jail-free card from criticism because 'it is better to fight sexism in other areas'.

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 Sigvatr wrote:
If you want to reduce sexism in gaming, you need to reduce sexism as a whole.

It works both way. If you want to reduce sexism as a whole, one of the numerous aspect is reducing sexism in gaming.

"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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 Ashiraya wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yeah, seems to be a bit tasteless, imo.
Not quite sure if it's deserving of imprisonment though.


Probably not. I don't see why they would stir a commotion. Standard troll. Ignore, move on.


I think it gets worse there are a few articles that are attacking Mrs. Sommers, there was an auto tune made by a friend of Antia's. Yeah completely unbiased there.

I think the ironic twist of the knife is that antia thinks we think she fabricated the facts. I think it is suspicious but I don't think she did.


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Asherian Command wrote:
Personally I see no problem with this.

Really? I mean, really?
And then you will still wonder why people link the GG with misogyny ?


He's targeting people who have webcams and identify as 'girl gamers' an insult to actual girls who play video games.

I Personally hate the gamer gate phenonomon and a gross exaggeration and objectification of women.

Personally I think it is hypocritical to say that these women need defending. I mean its WOW not real life.

Its not a hate crime. It is stupid teenager killing someone in WOW. I've seen it hundreds of times in streams. Especially when someone BDMS Total Biscuit in hearthstone? Is that a hate crime? Its dumb an rude, but not a 'hate crime' against women.

In fact both Parties in this case I throw my hat out and say. "I don't care what happens. Both parties are a bunch of gakkers."

I think though sending the kid to prison is overboard.

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 Asherian Command wrote:
He's targeting people who have webcams and identify as 'girl gamers' an insult to actual girls who play video games.

What the feth is that even supposed to mean? Are you drunk?

"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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I wouldn't target someone calling themselves a 'male gamer' and think this was an insult to the actual men who play video games.

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