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Oh how I wish GW will finally get it's act together and take the Imperial vehicle design into a better direction, innovative but not being silly (so no taurox). I had hope forgeworld would design some more "modern" vehichles for the imperial army/solar auxillia, seeing as that would fit with the time, but sadly we got yet another WW1 style tank.

How about something like the M-29 Grizzly from Mass Effect:

Kinda retro sci-fi, but still interesting aesthetically.

 Robbert Ambrose wrote:
Oh how I wish GW will finally get it's act together and take the Imperial vehicle design into a better direction, innovative but not being silly (so no taurox). I had hope forgeworld would design some more "modern" vehichles for the imperial army/solar auxillia, seeing as that would fit with the time, but sadly we got yet another WW1 style tank.

How about something like the M-29 Grizzly from Mass Effect:

Kinda retro sci-fi, but still interesting aesthetically.

You are aware that the Imperial Guard is meant to be a combination of armies throughout the 20th (or 19th in the case of Praetorian and Mordians) centuries? The tanks are meant to look like WW1-WW2 vehicles; that's the point. It fits with the ugly and industrialized feel of the IoM as well.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:


You are aware that the Imperial Guard is meant to be a combination of armies throughout the 20th (or 19th in the case of Praetorian and Mordians) centuries? The tanks are meant to look like WW1-WW2 vehicles; that's the point. It fits with the ugly and industrialized feel of the IoM as well.

No, certain regiments' aesthetics and general tactics are based upon historicial armies, the guard as whole are not, lasguns, for example, are extremly diverse, just Compare DKoK lasgun to elysian lasguns. Yet in contrast vehicles are awfully standarizes and nearly all make use of obsolete wrap around tracks that are too narrow to be usable.

Then there are things like the valkyrie, which do not fit the WW1 aeshetic at all.

The Guard in general are based upon WWI and WWII armies, that's just obvious.

 Robbert Ambrose wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:


You are aware that the Imperial Guard is meant to be a combination of armies throughout the 20th (or 19th in the case of Praetorian and Mordians) centuries? The tanks are meant to look like WW1-WW2 vehicles; that's the point. It fits with the ugly and industrialized feel of the IoM as well.

No, certain regiments' aesthetics and general tactics are based upon historicial armies, the guard as whole are not, lasguns, for example, are extremly diverse, just Compare DKoK lasgun to elysian lasguns. Yet in contrast vehicles are awfully standarizes and nearly all make use of obsolete wrap around tracks that are too narrow to be usable.

Then there are things like the valkyrie, which do not fit the WW1 aeshetic at all.

The lasgun, despite firing a laser, is meant to be any basic infantryman's rifle from the last 200 years, despite the fact (or perhaps because of the fact) that there are thousands and thousands of lasgun Patterns across the galaxy. Also, excepting a very few choice Patterns, a lasgun is a lasgun is a lasgun.

- Post 5th edition: Newcrons, dreadknight, taurox, most of the empire flyers... Honorbale exceptions: Tau, Eldar and Dark Eldar.
- Tyranids and their weapons, and the general design. They could be amazing, they are to cartoon. As someone said: zergs did it better.
- Daemons. They could be amazing, they are stupid. I normally think "xeno creatures" when i see the models, not "7th dimension things who my brain cannot process properly" (i sincerely think that 2.5d paper models could do it better).

I actually like the gothic look, and the armors who look like ancient stuff with tech bits added (new IG storm troopers made me wish an IG army).



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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Robbert Ambrose wrote:
Oh how I wish GW will finally get it's act together and take the Imperial vehicle design into a better direction, innovative but not being silly (so no taurox). I had hope forgeworld would design some more "modern" vehichles for the imperial army/solar auxillia, seeing as that would fit with the time, but sadly we got yet another WW1 style tank.

How about something like the M-29 Grizzly from Mass Effect:

Kinda retro sci-fi, but still interesting aesthetically.

You are aware that the Imperial Guard is meant to be a combination of armies throughout the 20th (or 19th in the case of Praetorian and Mordians) centuries? The tanks are meant to look like WW1-WW2 vehicles; that's the point. It fits with the ugly and industrialized feel of the IoM as well.

This would not look 40k, it would not look "IoM". Want hightech futuristic design? That is Tau ground...

Alcibiades wrote:
The Guard in general are based upon WWI and WWII armies, that's just obvious.

To you perhaps, I personally prefer to avoid the hasty generalisation that because some of the more prominent IG regiment are based of historical armies it must mean that IG as whole represent a WW1 or WW2 fighting force. Especially when the two most heavily featured regiments (Cadians + Catachans) have almost nothin aesthetically in common with a WW1 or WW2 fighting force.

Tyranids always had "guns", btw





It's something of a tradition.

 The Dwarf Wolf wrote:


This would not look 40k, it would not look "IoM". Want hightech futuristic design? That is Tau ground...

The Imperium of man is very diverse, aesthatically, just looking at the various IG regiments proves this point, indeed some look more technologically advanced than others, compare the bulky and archaic gas mask from the DKoK to the slick and modern looking respirator that are used by the Cadians and Elysians

I'm not talking about directly copying vehichles from other sources, just more interesting and innovatie desings, not all of the Imperium is inspired by WWI and as such not all the vehicles should look like they orginated from that era.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

It's something of a tradition.

Tradition or not, i think it looks fuggly as sin

Agreed on zerg doing it better than tyranids. Tyranid guns and swords just look too human. Zerg have acid spit, claws and needles they shoot out of themselves (hydralisks).

Also as much as imperial guard have a monopoly on heavy armor and explosions i would have liked to see an assault helicopter similar to the space marine storm talon for use in the imperial guard. Too bad the guard is too heavily influenced on WWI and WWII to use anything resembling a helicopter.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Marine-Stormtalon-Gunship

I also hate the over abundance of skulls. Seriously you guys can stop when you make a model look like a gum-ball machine. Here's the model i'm talking about.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Conclave-of-Death

Also tau models are mostly just stupid looking. The riptide's head is way too tiny. The large battlesuits (crisis size and beyond with the exception of the xv-9 from forgeworld though it has weird kneejoints) just tend to look stupid and super clunky unlike the high tech nature of the faction. Still unhappy the kroot and esp. the vespid or other auxiliary alien factions didn't get some love in a tau supplement. Seriously vespid commandos that fly and see in multiple spectrums allowing them to see through stealthed units would've been cool (then again i don't play 40k anymore so it's moot).

Actually, the Guard can use a high-tech looking helicopter, as air vehicles are the domain of the Imperial Navy, not the guard.

That Valkyrie you have in the guard codex, for example, is actually on loan from the Navy; it is not a "Guard" unit

That also explains the aesthetic difference. Different organisation, different look.

With the crisis suits, if you look aat some of he concept art, it looks like they started out good, but were transformed due model restrictions. Although I think the new commander is a step in the right directions (less blocky, but it could be better).

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Tyranids always had "guns", btw





It's something of a tradition.

They also had rather silly models. Shame both are still true.

Saying that, I really like the colours on those warriors' guns. Anyone know what those colours are?

I don't know, I kind of like the old Hive Tyrant's design compared to the new one. Looks gnarly.

I love the original hive tyrant.

Those colours are no longer available, I believe.

Desubot wrote:Its under the loincloth

Zing!

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:That is Tau ground...

As much as I love both Mass Effect and the IG, the word "Tau" was the first thing that came to my mind when trying to envision that tank in the 40k setting.
The Imperium is incredibly diverse, but in my opinion, there are stylistic limits to what does and does not fit the wider theme - which, for better or worse, does include technological recession and a devolution into steampunk feudalism.

Given that the Tau make use of human auxiliaries and annex human colonies, however, why not create a Gue'vesa army list with such vehicles? The Imperium's aesthetics are preserved, and the player still gets humans with a more modern style. Everybody wins!
Alternatively, the 5E Guard codex did mention how Guard vehicles are standardised (for obvious reasons), yet the various PDF often have their own unique and locally limited designs...

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Agreed on zerg doing it better than tyranids. Tyranid guns and swords just look too human. Zerg have acid spit, claws and needles they shoot out of themselves (hydralisks).

Zerg are basically just Tyranids +1, aesthetically.

 Robbert Ambrose wrote:
Oh how I wish GW will finally get it's act together and take the Imperial vehicle design into a better direction, innovative but not being silly (so no taurox). I had hope forgeworld would design some more "modern" vehichles for the imperial army/solar auxillia, seeing as that would fit with the time, but sadly we got yet another WW1 style tank.

How about something like the M-29 Grizzly from Mass Effect:
Kinda retro sci-fi, but still interesting aesthetically.

Now that's ugly.


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 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Agreed on zerg doing it better than tyranids. Tyranid guns and swords just look too human. Zerg have acid spit, claws and needles they shoot out of themselves (hydralisks).

Zerg are basically just Tyranids +1, aesthetically.

I'd say +9001

I'd say - billion of trillions

Zerg look like crap from marvel comic book, just check that hydralisk stupid, super overdone grin. Starcraft to 40k is like Warcraft to fantasy, a niceish butchered of character colorful ripoff. Its closer to smurfs and gummy bears though when it comes to mood. I love gummy bears btw just noone pretends they can rival 40k designs on its own turf of cosmic horror.

Also Tyranids at least are something, a cosmic dragon like aliens wearing bugs armour. Zert are just random elements slapped left and right. To be more directionless than tyranids, quite an achievement.

 The Dwarf Wolf wrote:

- Tyranids and their weapons, and the general design. They could be amazing, they are to cartoon. As someone said: zergs did it better.

So I assume that Tyranids are cartoonish but zerg are not? Ok.

Or you mean gw studio paintjobs? Because that's the only way I see such statement making sense.

Btw cartoonish? https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7249/6855799648_14a0caf489_z.jpg

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Plumbumbarum wrote:

Zerg look like crap

Must admit that Mass Effect vehicle slooks pretty poor - IMO.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
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Ach crap, I can view it but Im posting from a phone, will fix as soon as I'm close to some PC.

Meanwhile you have to believe me that it is a glorious pic of a tyrranofex that will lift my subjective point to objectivity and make all the resident zerg fanboys apologise for being so wrong

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Zert are just random elements slapped left and right.

Right, because giant reptiles with hooves and hands that physically hold separately grown guns for some reason are not random.

Calm down. Saying that the Zerg aesthetic lacks direction is like saying that the Xenomorph aesthetic lacks direction.

By the way, what silly grin are you referring to?

Do you mean this silly grin?

Are you comparing the vicious menacing and most importantly making sense anatomy wise grin of hive tyrant with that ridiculous alice in wonderland esque just ate the crowbar smile something of hydralisk? Can't tell if serious.

Xenomorph is a dick on legs, thats clearly a direction. Zerg is what? Bug here snake there on cow with some octopus on top. Im asking for real though maybe I just dont see it.

Cant be calm, brain damage. Tyranids ftw heh.

I prefer pseudo fascist WWI tanks to ugly pseudo sci fi scrapheaps.

1. Catachan infantry. I think they could look really cool if done in a more realistic, grim fashion. Right now they look like GI Joes.

2. Biovores. They look like some kind of Pokémon.

3. Helbrutes, Soul Grinders, Defilers, and anything else from the Chaos dexes that look like something out of a cheap 80's horror movie.

4. Eldar warwalkers.

5. Space marines with missile launchers.


I actually think Centurions and Dreadknights look awesome.

 Colpicklejar wrote:

2. Biovores. They look like some kind of Pokémon.

One that was censored.

 vipoid wrote:

 Colpicklejar wrote:

2. Biovores. They look like some kind of Pokémon.

One that was censored.

Now that you say it it looks more like a hentai monster.