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If I'm doing the math right (and I fully admit I might not be) then the basic set without stretch goals would cost 28.9 euros if you bought them in resin today. Given that the pledge for this is 22 euros, that seems to be at least a modest savings for the buyer. Still pretty expensive given that you're buying bases.

The two stretch goals have added 12.3 euros to the value of the basic set. Multiply that by four for the large pledge and you're getting an even better value, if only by the extra "free" bases from the stretch goals.

So, does my math look right? Average price is currently somewhere around 75-80 cents per base.

 Breotan wrote:
In most cases they should be acceptable sitting on to of a GW base. Some patterns will stick out too far but given what I see people do in the P&M forums, I don't think it will be that much of an issue.

I think the main issue on regular non-lipped bases would be the section that's designed to "drop in" to the recessed WMH-style bases. It'd raise these up quite a bit.

 cincydooley wrote:

Because "glad to hear" and "appreciate your input" are such feverent rubuttals, right?
The ones I'm responding to are worthless troll comments that have no relevance to the thread and are here by a group of "usually" purely to troll and antagonize.

Uh.... I wasn't actually having a go at you there, you realise?


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 Breotan wrote:
If I'm doing the math right (and I fully admit I might not be) then the basic set without stretch goals would cost 28.9 euros if you bought them in resin today. Given that the pledge for this is 22 euros, that seems to be at least a modest savings for the buyer. Still pretty expensive given that you're buying bases.
The two stretch goals have added 12.3 euros to the value of the basic set. Multiply that by four for the large pledge and you're getting an even better value, if only by the extra "free" bases from the stretch goals.
So, does my math look right? Average price is currently somewhere around 75-80 cents per base.

It might increase in value as it goes on to be more worthwhile for people with stretch goals? Shipping would be an issue though - while these are nice, they're not super cheap compared to RRP, and there are a lot of places where the shipping would be less of an issue (or free).

Yea, shipping sucks but then it sucked before with the all resin bases. I suppose there's also customs and duty to be concerned with, as well. Even with all this, I do think Micro Art is moving in the right direction with their product.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Why did it have to be round lipped bases?!

If it helps, the top of a 25mm bevelled base is the same size as the top of a 30mm rounded base. If there's an issue it will be the height of the insert, not the diameter.

Just to head off any off-topic replies: this thread is for discussing the Micro Arts Studio / CMON campaign, not the general history / etc of either company. A comment along those lines is fine, but let's stick to the topic of this campaign, please. This includes replies defending CMON's rep, as well as those criticizing it... thanks.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Why did it have to be round lipped bases?!

If it helps, the top of a 25mm bevelled base is the same size as the top of a 30mm rounded base. If there's an issue it will be the height of the insert, not the diameter.

Yeah, I wish there would be some more beveled edge stuff myself, but as far as I know all of CMoN's miniature games use the lipped bases (Sedition Wars notwithstanding).

I'd pay good money for some more plastic beveled bases that would work for Infinity.

yeah,
My past experiences of CMoN have been terrible, when I challenged their selling of Zombicide prior to KS fulfillment they resorted to name calling / mockery.

It will take an amazing product to get me to go anywhere near them in the future.
Resitic base recasts isn't that product.

 RiTides wrote:
Just to head off any off-topic replies: this thread is for discussing the Micro Arts Studio / CMON campaign, not the general history / etc of either company. A comment along those lines is fine, but let's stick to the topic of this campaign, please. This includes replies defending CMON's rep, as well as those criticizing it... thanks.

I hope these red warning appear in GW threads too.
As it appears MODs will protect the integrity of other companies threads from negativity, but you can say what you want about GW and MODs turn a blind eye.

Anyways...

CMoN = Yukky
IMO people should only Pre-order via CMoN if they like exceptionally long delays and terrible condescending customer service.

Panic...

Just Re-watched the video and is it just me or are these bases that I've circled different than the 4 sets they've shown so far?

Panic, I'm no CMON fan (or the other companies you're referring to, for that matter!). You've said your piece and I haven't edited either of your above posts.

However, at this point, any further posts like that will be considered off-topic and edited / deleted, for the reasons I posted above (i.e. folks who disagree will reply, and any discussion of This campaign will be drowned out).

If you have a problem with posts in another thread, please hit the yellow triangle on them, or PM me or any other moderator, and we'll try our very best to deal with them. Thanks

gilljoy wrote:
Just Re-watched the video and is it just me or are these bases that I've circled different than the 4 sets they've shown so far?

I think you're right! Good eye, I actually quite like those. Seeing some more subdued ones / themes where every base doesn't have overhanging features (as insaniak said) would be awesome. I think I like these or the plank bases best so far (and they're also the simplest).

I thought those were the mystic ones at first. Maybe some sort of ruins?

Ruins always work for basing.

I'm in for the Mystic bases for now [we'll see if the deal sweetens]

Though admittedly I would like more than just Mystic bases...was hoping the next stretch goal would be something other than more bases for the type we pledged for

i find these new, deeper, bases very disappointing...
i use a lot of the Dark-Age resin inserts for my beveled bases because it is easy to trim the thin edges to fit...

i love the themes of Micro Art bases, like the Mystic and Planks, but can't see myself buying any of these thick inserts at all:(...

now if i started getting Warmachine commissions, instead of being hired to paint Space Marines all the time, that could change...

since we get one free one: i love CMON...
they have done right by me for ten years, and led the way in bringing a lot of European manufacturers' products to one easy location for me to get my hands on, not to mention doing some great LE minis...

cheers
jah

Something that just occurred to me: given how much some restic casts shrink, there's no guarantee that these inserts are actually going to fit in the bases. They may be too small, or CMoN might overcompensate and they'll be too big.

 jah-joshua wrote:
i find these new, deeper, bases very disappointing...
i use a lot of the Dark-Age resin inserts for my beveled bases because it is easy to trim the thin edges to fit...

i love the themes of Micro Art bases, like the Mystic and Planks, but can't see myself buying any of these thick inserts at all:(...

Yeah, It seems like both CMoN, Soda Pop/Ninja Division, and Outlaw (Battlefoam), the three companies presently DOING plastic base inserts, have all opted for a more proprietary approach. It's a litte frustrating because, like you say Jah, you can't easily use them as toppers. Now, the Relic Knights inserts for the 30mms actually work as toppers, but sadly none of the other sizes to. Additionally, the Wild West Exodus inserts don't really work as toppers, either.

I'm still hoping someone will eventually do some plastic inserts that fit into a plastic display base...essentially taking a single moulded terrain piece, "punching out" the bases, and then making it so you could use it as your little portable display.

I'd be allllllll over that like stink on gak.



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Based on the text it looks like the $50K goal is going to be a new base set. Sweet.

We hit these goals and all backers will be receiving the following:

20x 30mm Bases
12x 40mm Bases
2x 50mm Bases

That is a total of Thirty-Four (34!) bases for each set pledged more. Meaning those who picked up All The Bases will be getting a staggering One Hundred and Thirty Six (136!!!) for their pledge!

Of course, this isn't the end of things, dear Backers... We wanted to ramp up the numbers for you before we moved on to other goals... There is so much more in store for you

 cincydooley wrote:
Yeah, It seems like both CMoN, Soda Pop/Ninja Division, and Outlaw (Battlefoam), the three companies presently DOING plastic base inserts,

Could you post links? I'd like to look more into these. I found a few hits, but am not sure if I found everything I should know about these plastic bases by these different companies. Thanks!

Still waiting for more bases and fifty-cents per base. Bucket-o-miniatures guy here.

EDIT: CMON's asking for which new bases backers would like to see. Comment now!

So here's one of the WWX ones: http://www.wildwestexodus.com/character-small-base-inserts-6-pack/

They have a 'ridge' at the bottom so they fit in the WWX bases.

Here's a photo of the Relic Knights ones:



The problem with the RK ones is that the insides of their purple bases are not the same size as say, a Warmachine or Dark Age 30mm rounded base. They literally only fit in their proprietary purple bases.

These look very cool, especially for Warmahordes. Although I seriously doubt their assertion that models won't need to be pinned. The only way that would be true is if both model and base were polystyrene and using polystyrene cement.

Ugh!

At least $50K until we get a new style?

C'mon CMON - I want some TECH and/or WAREHOUSE and/or PIPEWORKS bases!

Urban bases would be nice. I'm sure there are plenty of styles yet to be unlocked.

@cincy: Thanks!

@Alpha: With more of the same, CMON/MAS doesn't have to pay for new molds. It's all pretty much profit. I did ask for another MAS base KS afterwards, no reason not to have one. Wouldn't be surprised if we're actually funding for another set of bases. You don't need 5K of additional funding to make five more bases from existing molds!

CMoN wrote:We hit these goals and all backers will be receiving the following:

20x 30mm Bases
12x 40mm Bases
2x 50mm Bases

So, assuming we hit the $45,000 mark here's what we're looking at regarding pledge value versus current retail prices based on today's conversion rate of $1.28 per €1.

$25.25 - 20x 30mm bases
$37.87 - 12x 40mm bases
$12.62 - 02x 50mm bases

$75.74 value - basic pledge of $22.00

or

$302.96 value - standard pledge of $80.00

Unless my calculations are waaaay off this looks like an amazing value (close to 75% off) even with the heinous shipping charges we'll be hit with when they deliver.

Somebody want to double-check my math, please?

We're anticipating 'heinous shipping charges' even for USA pledgers?

MAS is a polish company so until I see otherwise, I'm expecting heinous charges no matter what.

I would expect CMON to fulfill it, but you're right, shipping isn't clear. I actually don't see anything about shipping at all on the main page, am I just missing it?

Just checked and the models I'm planning to use won't work on these (will likely do water-style bases for my gators) without a Lot of work. But I agree that the deal looks really good!

 RiTides wrote:
I would expect CMON to fulfill it, but you're right, shipping isn't clear. I actually don't see anything about shipping at all on the main page, am I just missing it?

Just checked and the models I'm planning to use won't work on these (will likely do water-style bases for my gators) without a Lot of work. But I agree that the deal looks really good!

From the main page, under Shipping Information:

Based on past experience, we will be charging shipping after the Kickstarter concludes, based on the actual costs incurred to ship to your location. We will collect this via our pledge manager after the campaign concludes.

This is so we can be fair to all our backers, as shipping is rarely one size fits all. This also gives you more stretch goodies and possibly a choice of carrier options.

We will ship your rewards at our cost to our international hubs. Depending on where in the world you are, we will either ship to you from our hub in Germany (EU backers), China (Asia Pacific backers), Canada (Canadian backers), Australia (Australia backers), or Atlanta (USA and the rest of the world). Since this campaign is only for plastic bases, we expect shipping to be cheaper then our other campaigns. Here are our rough shipping estimates to locations around the world:

$8 to ship in the USA, about $15-$20 in the EU (due to VAT), $8 to Hong Kong, and $10 - $15 Australia, thanks to a new shipping partner, but this may increase or decrease based on the quantity of stretch goals we may unlock and your carrier choices.

Being PVC it should be fairly easy to trim down the "insert" part of the base so they sit properly on top of regular GW style bases.

To be honest, I'm supporting this more for MAS to convert all their bases over, including bike and large ovals to PVC. It isn't a perfect solution but it's a lot better to work with than the resin they currently use.

Edit: Just read Mr. Black's post. I guess shipping isn't the burden I was expecting it to be. Woot!

CMoN_MrBlack wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
I would expect CMON to fulfill it, but you're right, shipping isn't clear. I actually don't see anything about shipping at all on the main page, am I just missing it?

Just checked and the models I'm planning to use won't work on these (will likely do water-style bases for my gators) without a Lot of work. But I agree that the deal looks really good!

From the main page, under Shipping Information:

Based on past experience, we will be charging shipping after the Kickstarter concludes, based on the actual costs incurred to ship to your location. We will collect this via our pledge manager after the campaign concludes.

This is so we can be fair to all our backers, as shipping is rarely one size fits all. This also gives you more stretch goodies and possibly a choice of carrier options.

We will ship your rewards at our cost to our international hubs. Depending on where in the world you are, we will either ship to you from our hub in Germany (EU backers), China (Asia Pacific backers), Canada (Canadian backers), Australia (Australia backers), or Atlanta (USA and the rest of the world). Since this campaign is only for plastic bases, we expect shipping to be cheaper then our other campaigns. Here are our rough shipping estimates to locations around the world:

$8 to ship in the USA, about $15-$20 in the EU (due to VAT), $8 to Hong Kong, and $10 - $15 Australia, thanks to a new shipping partner, but this may increase or decrease based on the quantity of stretch goals we may unlock and your carrier choices.

I don't believe they're using China for ALL APAC backers. If they are, there's really no reason for my Z3 basic pledge to cost 100usd in shipping from China to Singapore.

Thanks for the answer, Mr. Black! Can't believe I missed that.

That puts the total, After shipping, at $88 for US backers for 136 bases. Not bad... not bad at all.

Gah, I wish they had some more sensible looking bases. Some like the PDC ones would be awesome, shame they don't sell them anymore.



Hopefully CMON's success with this ks will encourage some other base companies to try their hand in plastic bases. The ones in this project are no use for me as they are too cluttered and not 40K'ish enough.

I never saw those. I have a couple of sets from Champ Industries but don't know if they even sell their stuff anymore, either.