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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/03 22:22:57
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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The Conquerer
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carldooley wrote: Grey Templar wrote:If I have a computer, I understand how the basic silicone chips work. but I wouldn't have faintest clue how to make my own from scratch.
you could probably make a computer from base materials, but it would take a while if starting from scratch. good luck though, especially when it comes to doing the coding.
I don't know if you ever saw the Ted Talk where the guy tried to make a Toaster from scratch. Didn't work out so well, and he was trying to replicate the cheapest available toaster on the market. And Toasters are much much simpler than Computers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/04 21:24:11
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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Psienesis wrote:The Ad Mech understands the concepts behind the Tau EMP grenades, they simply don't have the capacity or ability to replicate them.
They have both the capacity and the ability. What the AdMech doesn't have is the willingness. EMP offends the Machine Spirits.
... and yet, the Deathwatch uses them.
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Jon Garrett wrote:Perhaps not technically a Marine Chapter anymore, but the Flame Falcons would be pretty creepy to fight.
"Boss, we waz out lookin' for grub when some of them Spice Marines showed up and shot all the lads."
"Right. Well, did you at least use the burnas?"
"We tried, but the gits was already on fire."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/04 21:32:59
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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EmpNortonII wrote: Psienesis wrote:The Ad Mech understands the concepts behind the Tau EMP grenades, they simply don't have the capacity or ability to replicate them.
They have both the capacity and the ability. What the AdMech doesn't have is the willingness. EMP offends the Machine Spirits.
... and yet, the Deathwatch uses them.
Deathwatch is a Inquisitorial Ordo Militant answerable only to the Inquisition. They get the job done killing Xenos, no human tech is harmed (usually).....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/04 22:05:45
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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Quickjager wrote: EmpNortonII wrote: Psienesis wrote:The Ad Mech understands the concepts behind the Tau EMP grenades, they simply don't have the capacity or ability to replicate them.
They have both the capacity and the ability. What the AdMech doesn't have is the willingness. EMP offends the Machine Spirits.
... and yet, the Deathwatch uses them.
Deathwatch is a Inquisitorial Ordo Militant answerable only to the Inquisition. They get the job done killing Xenos, no human tech is harmed (usually).....
Perhaps, then, we could get a book that backs up the claim that the AdMech understands haywire weaponry to the point they could build their own if they wished?
Besides- LOTS of branches of the Imperium spend time killing xenos, and none of them use hayware weaponry.
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Jon Garrett wrote:Perhaps not technically a Marine Chapter anymore, but the Flame Falcons would be pretty creepy to fight.
"Boss, we waz out lookin' for grub when some of them Spice Marines showed up and shot all the lads."
"Right. Well, did you at least use the burnas?"
"We tried, but the gits was already on fire."
"...Kunnin'." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/04 22:25:39
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Trustworthy Shas'vre
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EmpNortonII wrote:Besides- LOTS of branches of the Imperium spend time killing xenos, and none of them use hayware weaponry.
That is because the point of the rest of the Imperium is to KILL those Xenos, not capture or convert them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/04 22:38:45
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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The Deathwatch break the rules a lot. The AdMech probably don't understand EMP... but they're very good at building things they don't understand.
After all, the AdMech themselves have nothing to worry about when it comes to EMP. They all use noospheric systems anyway.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/04 22:44:46
Subject: Re:has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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I will just point out (to nobdy in partucular), that we are talking about the AdMec's current understanding, they would obviously understand this stuff in the DAoT.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/04 23:22:06
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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Furyou Miko wrote:The Deathwatch break the rules a lot. The AdMech probably don't understand EMP... but they're very good at building things they don't understand.
After all, the AdMech themselves have nothing to worry about when it comes to EMP. They all use noospheric systems anyway.
I think they understand EMP. It is a basic scientific concept well below their insanely high level of knowledge.
Can they whip up EMP grenades like those of the tau? Not without more work than they would be willing or allowed to do.
But the argument that they can't because it is too hard ignores the fact that they makes things like melta bombs yet tau can't.
In both cases is it a case of can't or won't.
Deathwatch only use EMP in the rpg don't they? Probably to add flavor to the mission variety for the GM.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/05 02:14:24
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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PhillyT wrote: Furyou Miko wrote:The Deathwatch break the rules a lot. The AdMech probably don't understand EMP... but they're very good at building things they don't understand.
After all, the AdMech themselves have nothing to worry about when it comes to EMP. They all use noospheric systems anyway.
I think they understand EMP. It is a basic scientific concept well below their insanely high level of knowledge.
Can they whip up EMP grenades like those of the tau? Not without more work than they would be willing or allowed to do.
But the argument that they can't because it is too hard ignores the fact that they makes things like melta bombs yet tau can't.
In both cases is it a case of can't or won't.
Deathwatch only use EMP in the rpg don't they? Probably to add flavor to the mission variety for the GM.
The AdMech has a high level of technology. They have a level of understanding that is the lowest of any race in the galaxy save the Orks and Tyranids... and that might be generous, since in most cases, "it works because it should" seems to be the train of thought of both AdMech techs and Ork meks.
Searchlights on vehicles. Searchlights on vehicles.
A melta bomb is a big shaped charge. Not that difficult to make.
Tau *don't* make big shaped charged because they have EMP grenades, which more reliably damage vehicles... especially the big, heavy vehicles that are a danger to Fire Warriors, because a full Fire Warrior squad will blow up most transports before they get close enough to let our troops... especially with some token markerlight support.
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Jon Garrett wrote:Perhaps not technically a Marine Chapter anymore, but the Flame Falcons would be pretty creepy to fight.
"Boss, we waz out lookin' for grub when some of them Spice Marines showed up and shot all the lads."
"Right. Well, did you at least use the burnas?"
"We tried, but the gits was already on fire."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/05 03:07:15
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Grey Templar wrote: PhillyT wrote:It specifically says that it cannot be reverse engineered because humans lack the technological know how?
We understand and can utilize EMP weapons in the year 2014. The idea that 38,000 later we would be baffled doesn't hold water.
Apparently the vaunted tau can't make sense of a melta bomb since they don't have them. Just too confusing...
If a bunch of Tau EMP grenades fell into the laps of the US military, they probably wouldn't be able to replicate them. They'd understand the principle of how EMP's work. They know the device somehow causes one. They just wouldn't be able to make copies because some of the tech is beyond them.
The Ad Mech understands the concepts behind the Tau EMP grenades, they simply don't have the capacity or ability to replicate them.
If I have a computer, I understand how the basic silicone chips work. but I wouldn't have faintest clue how to make my own from scratch.
it could also be that they could make them, but that they could never make enough of them or at a cost that they afford to throw them at enemy tanks
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/05 07:24:15
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Also remember the scale on which the AdMech are supplying vs the Earth Caste. The Earth Caste are supply, what, a dozen million? A billion? That's cute, says the AdMech. The AdMech are supplying so many different forces with different weapons and equipment number in the holy-feth-I-cant-even-count-that-high-zillions.
If the AdMech were supplying a force as smaller as the Tau War Machine to exclusion of everything else, that force would be equipped so well they could wipe the Tau off the face of the universe.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/05 07:28:11
Subject: Re:has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
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That is because the imperium has an exceedingly large amount of resources. Give them the same amount of resources, and that tau have the advantage.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/05 09:04:48
Subject: Re:has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Co'tor Shas wrote:That is because the imperium has an exceedingly large amount of resources. Give them the same amount of resources, and that tau have the advantage.
maybe but they might also begin to run into logistical problems at that scale. thats why the IoM is built and equipped the way they are, logistics dictates their equipment, not technology
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/05 09:13:08
Subject: Re:has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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Co'tor Shas wrote:That is because the imperium has an exceedingly large amount of resources. Give them the same amount of resources, and that tau have the advantage.
All you are saying is you want the advantages without the downside. Yea you get all the IoM resources, cool you don't have the population they do so EVERYONE has a riptide. Its not the same or a good argument.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/05 11:21:08
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
USA, Maine
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The tau never could spread that far. Lacking psyker powers, they would not be able to travel effectively
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/05 14:23:14
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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PhillyT wrote:The tau never could spread that far. Lacking psyker powers, they would not be able to travel effectively
The Tau race lacks psykers. The Tau Empire does not.
We got a big hefty bunch of humans when we starting taking worlds on your side of the Gulf of Damocles.
Plus, there are the Nicassarr and probably several other races under the Empire's flag that can use it.
Cooperation from other races with other abilities is the plus side to the Tau's "Don't be a dick," foreign policy. Automatically Appended Next Post: BrianDavion wrote: Co'tor Shas wrote:That is because the imperium has an exceedingly large amount of resources. Give them the same amount of resources, and that tau have the advantage.
maybe but they might also begin to run into logistical problems at that scale. thats why the IoM is built and equipped the way they are, logistics dictates their equipment, not technology
I'm not sure I believe that.
What special material or other limitation prevents the IoM from making more bolters, given its massive size?
The Tau will be able to field Fire Warriors with Hammerheads and pulse rifles no matter how big they get, assuming they use a decentralized scheme- which they do, with their Sept worlds. In the Imperium,there is a massive load of bureaocracy that goes with every decision, because humans are afraid that someone will fall to Chaos in an important position.
The Tau don't have that worry with their leaders, because the upper echelons are immune to corruption from Chaos.
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Jon Garrett wrote:Perhaps not technically a Marine Chapter anymore, but the Flame Falcons would be pretty creepy to fight.
"Boss, we waz out lookin' for grub when some of them Spice Marines showed up and shot all the lads."
"Right. Well, did you at least use the burnas?"
"We tried, but the gits was already on fire."
"...Kunnin'." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/05 14:27:23
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
USA, Maine
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They got a handful of psykers potentially, but not enough. They could get other psykers to help out from other races.
But their brand of space communism only lasts as long as they are isolated and annoying rather than truly expansionist and a threat.
Additionally, whatever race planted the Ethereals would likely come calling at some point.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/05 14:34:17
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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Enjoy your demons! That is what unsanctioned psykers will get ya half the time.
Anyway if we follow the blatant parrallels to communism, it becomes apparent their methods work only on a small scale, that only consists of their species.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/05 14:39:40
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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Quickjager wrote:Enjoy your demons! That is what unsanctioned psykers will get ya half the time.
Anyway if we follow the blatant parrallels to communism, it becomes apparent their methods work only on a small scale, that only consists of their species.
They've been doing just fine these past 6,000 years, thank you very much!
Besides, sanctioned use of psykers gets you daemons often enough, it's clearly worth the risk. Automatically Appended Next Post: PhillyT wrote:They got a handful of psykers potentially, but not enough. They could get other psykers to help out from other races.
But their brand of space communism only lasts as long as they are isolated and annoying rather than truly expansionist and a threat.
Additionally, whatever race planted the Ethereals would likely come calling at some point.
They currently are expansionist and a threat. Each expansion gets bigger and bigger... and humanity is too busy dealing with the Tyranids and Necrons and Abaddon to worry about the Tau.
... and I'm not sure how much you should look forward to that. The most popular theory seems to be the Eldar Harlequinns... if the Tau got access to the Webway, their single biggest disadvantage vs the Imperium would be gone.
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Jon Garrett wrote:Perhaps not technically a Marine Chapter anymore, but the Flame Falcons would be pretty creepy to fight.
"Boss, we waz out lookin' for grub when some of them Spice Marines showed up and shot all the lads."
"Right. Well, did you at least use the burnas?"
"We tried, but the gits was already on fire."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/05 14:44:24
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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They did fine while another, more powerful race, kept them protected from the rest of the universe using a warp storm.
This is over looked again and again. There is nothing "self made" about the tau. They are the product of another race's intervention
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/05 14:48:05
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Mmmmm not really afraid of the Tau allied with Eldar, everything the Tau do Eldar can do better and be psychic to boot.
And demons from sacntioned psykers are rare, it only seems like they are common because theres a book or game on every incident. There is a lot about Imperial psykers you don't know.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/05 15:10:13
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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The Conquerer
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EmpNortonII wrote: PhillyT wrote:The tau never could spread that far. Lacking psyker powers, they would not be able to travel effectively
The Tau race lacks psykers. The Tau Empire does not.
We got a big hefty bunch of humans when we starting taking worlds on your side of the Gulf of Damocles.
Plus, there are the Nicassarr and probably several other races under the Empire's flag that can use it.
Cooperation from other races with other abilities is the plus side to the Tau's "Don't be a dick," foreign policy.
And the Tau don't even know the Nicassarr are psykers. The Tau aren't even 100% convinced psykers exist.
Plus the various psychic races the Tau think are part of the collective aren't exactly sharing. They aren't even aware the Kroot have their own warp drive capabilities which are superior to their own.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/05 15:50:24
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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Grey Templar wrote: EmpNortonII wrote: PhillyT wrote:The tau never could spread that far. Lacking psyker powers, they would not be able to travel effectively
The Tau race lacks psykers. The Tau Empire does not.
We got a big hefty bunch of humans when we starting taking worlds on your side of the Gulf of Damocles.
Plus, there are the Nicassarr and probably several other races under the Empire's flag that can use it.
Cooperation from other races with other abilities is the plus side to the Tau's "Don't be a dick," foreign policy.
And the Tau don't even know the Nicassarr are psykers. The Tau aren't even 100% convinced psykers exist.
Plus the various psychic races the Tau think are part of the collective aren't exactly sharing. They aren't even aware the Kroot have their own warp drive capabilities which are superior to their own.
Not true, not true in the slightest. The tau specificaly hide the Nisacar from the Imperium, because they know that they are psykers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/05 19:32:07
Subject: Re:has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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If the Tau started having large numbers of osykers under their control they'd likely run into the same problems the IoM has with them. possiably even worse. resentment about another race ruling them is a pretty easy hook for chaos to act through honestly. The Tau honestly strike me as kinda naive as races go. they'd likely if they got big eneugh have their own version of the Horus Heresy. and I suspect it'd go just as bad for them
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/05 19:37:23
Subject: Re:has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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The tau are very naive about anything that has to do with the warp, the reason for this is twofold,
a. they have yet to have a massive demonic incursion (although I must point out that there is a large area on the eastern front of the tau area that has to be constantly guarded by the air caste to stop deons from escaping).
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b. they have no psykers in their own race, and thus lack a lot of knowledge of it.
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sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/05 19:58:36
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Co'tor Shas wrote: Grey Templar wrote:
And the Tau don't even know the Nicassarr are psykers. The Tau aren't even 100% convinced psykers exist.
Plus the various psychic races the Tau think are part of the collective aren't exactly sharing. They aren't even aware the Kroot have their own warp drive capabilities which are superior to their own.
Not true, not true in the slightest. The tau specificaly hide the Nisacar from the Imperium, because they know that they are psykers.
Nisacar ?
Tau hide... n i s a c a are .....maybe Nissan Cars ?
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Co'tor Shas wrote:The tau are very naive about anything that has to do with the warp, the reason for this is twofold,
a. they have yet to have a massive demonic incursion (although I must point out that there is a large area on the eastern front of the tau area that has to be constantly guarded by the air caste to stop demons from escaping).
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b. they have no psykers in their own race, and thus lack a lot of knowledge of it.
Yes to a + b.
But.. there surely is one in the making.
The recent "buy riptides and/or buy IK " fluff points to worlds fortified to keep the Demons out. If you don't know much about Demons, or Seals to protect the gates, or such "magic", then maybe you are opening a new can of worms without realising what you did there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/05 20:03:11
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PhillyT wrote: Furyou Miko wrote:The Deathwatch break the rules a lot. The AdMech probably don't understand EMP... but they're very good at building things they don't understand.
After all, the AdMech themselves have nothing to worry about when it comes to EMP. They all use noospheric systems anyway.
I think they understand EMP. It is a basic scientific concept well below their insanely high level of knowledge.
Can they whip up EMP grenades like those of the tau? Not without more work than they would be willing or allowed to do.
But the argument that they can't because it is too hard ignores the fact that they makes things like melta bombs yet tau can't.
In both cases is it a case of can't or won't.
Deathwatch only use EMP in the rpg don't they? Probably to add flavor to the mission variety for the GM.
What even slightly suggests the Tau can't make things like Meta bombs? Not having them doesn't mean anything, tere's a difference between not knowing how to make them and just not wanting to use them. Giving Firewarriors Melta bombs would then change their role, they aren't meant to be taking on vehicles that would require something like that.
Deadshot wrote:Also remember the scale on which the AdMech are supplying vs the Earth Caste. The Earth Caste are supply, what, a dozen million? A billion? That's cute, says the AdMech. The AdMech are supplying so many different forces with different weapons and equipment number in the holy-feth-I-cant-even-count-that-high-zillions.
If the AdMech were supplying a force as smaller as the Tau War Machine to exclusion of everything else, that force would be equipped so well they could wipe the Tau off the face of the universe.
There already are forces that are supplied exclusively with certain equipment, though. Space Marines are supplied with some of the best equipment the Imperium can make, and it's not like they have to share things like Rhinos or Bolters with anyone else (at least not in a way that would affect how it's distributed) so they get the majority of those things. What they get still isn't that much better or advanced than what the Tau have, and there certainly aren't as many Space Marines as Tau. Groups like the Deathwatch and the Grey knights aren't much different and there are even fewer of them.
Obviously equipping a few million with high quality stuff is much easier than giving the same thing to a much higher number, but it's not as if Guard regiments are being given bad equipment. What they get is some of the better military equipment the Imperium can make. Even if there weren't as many of them they'd probably still be using Lasguns and Flak armour, they wouldn't be giving every guardsman plasma guns and power armour. There isn't really anything better the Imperium could give them except for things like Hellguns and Carapace armour, but there are downsides to those and they aren't just straight upgrades. They could certainly give them worse things than what they currently get. What sort of things do you imagine they would be given if they didn't have to supply so many different forces?
Even when they would only have to manufacture things on a small scale they tend to use captured versions instead, which suggests they don't understand the technology. It's not as if they would have to make a huge amount of things like haywire grenades if they could do it themselves.There's no real reason for them not to make their own if they could, it would be easier than having to find them and bring them all the way back. They've made their own versions of things based off Alien designs before, i remember reading they made their own version of a Tau stealth field generator to give to the Deathwatch, although i don't think it was quite as good and worked differently.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/05 22:24:20
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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Mentlegen324 wrote: PhillyT wrote: Furyou Miko wrote:The Deathwatch break the rules a lot. The AdMech probably don't understand EMP... but they're very good at building things they don't understand.
After all, the AdMech themselves have nothing to worry about when it comes to EMP. They all use noospheric systems anyway.
I think they understand EMP. It is a basic scientific concept well below their insanely high level of knowledge.
Can they whip up EMP grenades like those of the tau? Not without more work than they would be willing or allowed to do.
But the argument that they can't because it is too hard ignores the fact that they makes things like melta bombs yet tau can't.
In both cases is it a case of can't or won't.
Deathwatch only use EMP in the rpg don't they? Probably to add flavor to the mission variety for the GM.
What even slightly suggests the Tau can't make things like Meta bombs? Not having them doesn't mean anything, tere's a difference between not knowing how to make them and just not wanting to use them. Giving Firewarriors Melta bombs would then change their role, they aren't meant to be taking on vehicles that would require something like that.
And that is what I am getting at. If the Ad Mech don't have EMP grenades, it is because they are too stupid. If the Tau don't have melta weapons, it is because they chose to not use them.
Perfect Tau Fanboy argument right there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/06 03:12:26
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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PhillyT wrote: Mentlegen324 wrote: PhillyT wrote: Furyou Miko wrote:The Deathwatch break the rules a lot. The AdMech probably don't understand EMP... but they're very good at building things they don't understand.
After all, the AdMech themselves have nothing to worry about when it comes to EMP. They all use noospheric systems anyway.
I think they understand EMP. It is a basic scientific concept well below their insanely high level of knowledge.
Can they whip up EMP grenades like those of the tau? Not without more work than they would be willing or allowed to do.
But the argument that they can't because it is too hard ignores the fact that they makes things like melta bombs yet tau can't.
In both cases is it a case of can't or won't.
Deathwatch only use EMP in the rpg don't they? Probably to add flavor to the mission variety for the GM.
What even slightly suggests the Tau can't make things like Meta bombs? Not having them doesn't mean anything, tere's a difference between not knowing how to make them and just not wanting to use them. Giving Firewarriors Melta bombs would then change their role, they aren't meant to be taking on vehicles that would require something like that.
And that is what I am getting at. If the Ad Mech don't have EMP grenades, it is because they are too stupid. If the Tau don't have melta weapons, it is because they chose to not use them.
Perfect Tau Fanboy argument right there.
Actully, tau do have melta-bombs, it's just that they don't make grenade sized melta-bombs.
Honestly, I'm sure the the admech knows how EMP works (or at least those higher up the chain), but may not have a design. I'm sure that there was a human one some time in the past, but it probebly was:
a. Only used very rarely, and thus the design was lost..
b. Was to expensive and therefore rare, and thus the the design was lost.
or c. It was just plain lost.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/06 09:29:00
Subject: has the imprium ever captured xenos tech?
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PhillyT wrote: Mentlegen324 wrote: PhillyT wrote: Furyou Miko wrote:The Deathwatch break the rules a lot. The AdMech probably don't understand EMP... but they're very good at building things they don't understand.
After all, the AdMech themselves have nothing to worry about when it comes to EMP. They all use noospheric systems anyway.
I think they understand EMP. It is a basic scientific concept well below their insanely high level of knowledge.
Can they whip up EMP grenades like those of the tau? Not without more work than they would be willing or allowed to do.
But the argument that they can't because it is too hard ignores the fact that they makes things like melta bombs yet tau can't.
In both cases is it a case of can't or won't.
Deathwatch only use EMP in the rpg don't they? Probably to add flavor to the mission variety for the GM.
What even slightly suggests the Tau can't make things like Meta bombs? Not having them doesn't mean anything, tere's a difference between not knowing how to make them and just not wanting to use them. Giving Firewarriors Melta bombs would then change their role, they aren't meant to be taking on vehicles that would require something like that.
And that is what I am getting at. If the Ad Mech don't have EMP grenades, it is because they are too stupid. If the Tau don't have melta weapons, it is because they chose to not use them.
Perfect Tau Fanboy argument right there.
It's not exactly the same situation. We've seen no Tau melta-bombs, but we've also seen nothing to suggest they'd want to make their own or use them. The Imperium makes use of captured EMP weapons, so they clearly want them, but we've seen nothing to suggest they know how to make their own and they only use alien versions. It doesn't definitely mean they don't know how to make their own, but they have made their own versions of things based on alien technology before and making their own would make more sense than having to go and find some.
So, either the Imperium doesn't understand the concept behind them, doesn't know how to make their own that would work quite as well or knows how to make them, but would rather just continue using captured ones for some reason
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