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We all know one. That. Fething. Guy.
The one who brings 8 riptides in a 2000 point game. The one who uses Warlord titans in normal 40k.

Post your stories about TFGs or WAACs here.

I was playing in a tournament and I had a squad of Guardsmen on foot. They went through dangerous terrain, so I rolled 10 dice, got a single 1, failed the armor save, and removed one lasgun guy. My opponent made a stink about the fact I didn't roll for each individual model in the unit, which would have taken exponentially longer and we were pressed for time. So, to oblige him, I went back, moved every model back, and rolled a die for each individual guy. The same exact model I previously removed was the only one to fail his rolls, and I stared my opponent in the eye as I deliberately removed him. The game was miserable before it, and miserable after it.

I played a game years ago against a guy who would just yell "Don't mess up!" before every. Single. Dieroll. I don't know if that qualifies him as TFG in the traditional sense, but it was absolutely infuriating and I never played him again.

Verviedi wrote:
We all know one. That. Fething. Guy.
The one who brings 8 riptides in a 2000 point game. The one who uses Warlord titans in normal 40k.

Post your stories about TFGs or WAACs here.

Those aren't really "TFG" traits unless he does it without talking to the opponent first and only does it to get an easy win and not to try and create an interesting game for both players.

As for a TFG story: Back in 5th I was in a tournament and honestly didn't do super great. All my games were losses or ties and were against the three people who took top 3 (my poor Sisters died like martyrs many times that day. It was a weird combination of my desire to try and make non-standard Sisters lists work paired with dice rolls that were not helping at all). The person who took 3rd was someone whose history in the gaming group was legendary: he was renowned for only rolling well on scatter and leadership, and poorly on everything else. We even had an award that was given to the bottom place player for being a good sport despite being stomped that day, named after him (the An'Dru (done up with a nice certificate with some Tau things going on in the background). Well he must have gotten that curse lifted that day because he was on fire, and had won two of his games, and though he tried very hard only tied against me, costing him 1st and 2nd place. He pitched a royal fit about this and refused the 3rd place trophy (yes there were trophies for this. They weren't extravagant, but they were made specifically for the top 3 players) and yelled at me the most for "costing him 1st place" because I didn't just quit when the game had turned against me early on (I pride myself on playing until the bitter end, no matter how bitter because I believe you can learn from losing and turn it into ways to learn how to win in the future based on what happened). He then dumped all of his stuff into his box and stormed out out of the place swearing the whole way. All because he didn't take 1st place in a tournament, when he usually rates last, or at least really close to it.

THAT is what a "TFG" looks like.

Wow. That dude sounded like a kind of fun opponent until that story. I can't imagine caring about a game that much.

 Brother SRM wrote:
Wow. That dude sounded like a kind of fun opponent until that story. I can't imagine caring about a game that much.

He was only fun when stoned, when his buzz wore off he turned into a right ass with a temper and and a need to argue about everything. He also only spoke in one volume: loud. He was fine at times, but they never lasted long enough.

This one time I lost to another player and I didn't like what he ran so he is clearly TFG. I hate these threads. It's always someone bitching and moaning about what units someone else was using. The only time I want to see someone mention TFG is when it's the persons attitude that is called into question. I can loose to someone running 20 Riptides if they are a fun player. Playing an donkey-cave though is never fun regardless of what he running.

 Goldphish wrote:
This one time I lost to another player and I didn't like what he ran so he is clearly TFG. I hate these threads. It's always someone bitching and moaning about what units someone else was using. The only time I want to see someone mention TFG is when it's the persons attitude that is called into question. I can loose to someone running 20 Riptides if they are a fun player. Playing an donkey-cave though is never fun regardless of what he running.

All the stories so far haven't been like that at all, they were all about attitude... Did you even read them?

ImAGeek wrote:
All the stories so far haven't been like that at all, they were all about attitude... Did you even read them?

The two examples in the opening post were both army list complaints rather than attitude complaints, did you even read it? {/Sarcasm}

The OP did ask for both TFG and WAAC stories (I would put his two examples in the latter category), but the title of the thread only mentions TFG's.

I don't really have anything to add on-topic, but I don't attend tournaments, so I'm less likely to run into those sorts I guess.

I played against a gw staff member who had a printout of the upcoming unreleased eldar codex in a small tournament. At the time models had to have the weapons on them but holstered pistols would count. I advised him of this as i was shooting my single plasma pistol at his jetbikes he wouldnt accept this despite the fact it was in my army list and the fact he was using an unofficial army book. Didnt massively affect the game just annoyed me and still remember 15 years on! I won in the end quite nicely and my other opponents that day were happy for me to use the lone plasma pistol as that.

 Quanar wrote:

ImAGeek wrote:
All the stories so far haven't been like that at all, they were all about attitude... Did you even read them?

The two examples in the opening post were both army list complaints rather than attitude complaints, did you even read it? {/Sarcasm}

The OP did ask for both TFG and WAAC stories (I would put his two examples in the latter category), but the title of the thread only mentions TFG's.

I don't really have anything to add on-topic, but I don't attend tournaments, so I'm less likely to run into those sorts I guess.

In the opening post yeah but none since then.

One guy I used to play brought three Riptides regularly, called me names when I pointed out the Farsight Bomb no longer worked as intended (ICs can't join MCs in 7th). Insisted the Tau Firebase Support Cadre only needed one reserve roll for the entire detachment to arrive (formations that go this specifically say so). Finally stopped playing him once he started saying, quote, "Riptides suck, I'm going to field them as R'vana's."


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I don't mean to sound like I'm complaining, just giving you an idea of how it was

When I was visiting my aunt in UK, I took my army with me, because I realy wanted to go to warhammer world. On the weekend my aunt drove me there. Huge place, more terrain then I ever saw in my life. Found an opponent who didn't mind my accent . Dude was , from the looks, in his late 30s, asked about my army, where I come from and was not creepy doing this. He didn't even ask why I don't play nids or sob, which almost all new opponents ask me.
I asked for a game ,he asked for my list, if I had any other models etc. I had foot guard, with no vendettas as those would take up too much space in a plane. After seeing my army, he deployed his. 3 whirlwinds, 3 FW weapon platforms that looked like whirlwinds and a ton of 5 man squads with heavy bolters. I asked about the FW rules, as we don't play FW here, and he said he didn't have the book with him, but his friends asured me that they work how he said they did. I got almost wiped out turn 1, died turn 2. And then the fun started, first he started to laugh at me with his friend how bad my army list, then asked me why am so unhappy about his 20+min of rolling dice. And when I was walking away he told his friends how bad female gamers are and how he was trying to "go easy on me".

2.5k tourney I went to right after 6th came out. I brought my Tau (which were still old codex at the time) and got a GK player my second round. It was the relic mission so he was easily going to roflstomp me. He brought 2 max squads of pallys with draigo, a librarian, 2 minimum strike squads with razorbacks, and the rest was autocannon dreds. I blew up a razor back turn 2 which was the only full kill i got due to him look out sir ing every wound i got in to the pallys. He got so mad i got a kill against him he kicked a chair into another table that messed up their game. He ended up losing to daemons due to the white dwarf update in the next round and this time threw a chair.

Makumba wrote:
When I was visiting my aunt in UK, I took my army with me, because I realy wanted to go to warhammer world. On the weekend my aunt drove me there. Huge place, more terrain then I ever saw in my life. Found an opponent who didn't mind my accent . Dude was , from the looks, in his late 30s, asked about my army, where I come from and was not creepy doing this. He didn't even ask why I don't play nids or sob, which almost all new opponents ask me.
I asked for a game ,he asked for my list, if I had any other models etc. I had foot guard, with no vendettas as those would take up too much space in a plane. After seeing my army, he deployed his. 3 whirlwinds, 3 FW weapon platforms that looked like whirlwinds and a ton of 5 man squads with heavy bolters. I asked about the FW rules, as we don't play FW here, and he said he didn't have the book with him, but his friends asured me that they work how he said they did. I got almost wiped out turn 1, died turn 2. And then the fun started, first he started to laugh at me with his friend how bad my army list, then asked me why am so unhappy about his 20+min of rolling dice. And when I was walking away he told his friends how bad female gamers are and how he was trying to "go easy on me".

Sounds like he either tailor made that list to kill yours or you had bad luck to pull an opponent whose army was so hard counter yours, but either way he's an donkey-cave.

 Brother SRM wrote:
I was playing in a tournament and I had a squad of Guardsmen on foot. They went through dangerous terrain, so I rolled 10 dice, got a single 1, failed the armor save, and removed one lasgun guy. My opponent made a stink about the fact I didn't roll for each individual model in the unit, which would have taken exponentially longer and we were pressed for time.

You should at least have rolled to see which model died instead of just taking off a lasgun - it could have been a special weapon or sergeant.


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Makumba wrote:
I asked for a game ,he asked for my list, if I had any other models etc. I had foot guard, with no vendettas as those would take up too much space in a plane. After seeing my army, he deployed his. 3 whirlwinds, 3 FW weapon platforms that looked like whirlwinds and a ton of 5 man squads with heavy bolters. I asked about the FW rules, as we don't play FW here, and he said he didn't have the book with him, but his friends asured me that they work how he said they did. I got almost wiped out turn 1, died turn 2. And then the fun started, first he started to laugh at me with his friend how bad my army list, then asked me why am so unhappy about his 20+min of rolling dice. And when I was walking away he told his friends how bad female gamers are and how he was trying to "go easy on me".

Two massive red flags right there.

Not much to tell. Apart the fact new gamers around here all want to start with Space Wolves rules and I used to play Eldar with them... not all enjoyed the game

Verviedi wrote:We all know one. That. Fething. Guy.
The one who brings 8 riptides in a 2000 point game. The one who uses Warlord titans in normal 40k.

Post your stories about TFGs or WAACs here.

You can't play a Warlord Titan in normal 40k games. The biggest one available is Reaver-class.

Scott-S6 wrote:Two massive red flags right there.

asking for opponent's list is not a red flag at all. She should have asked for his as well.

zteknon wrote:2.5k tourney I went to right after 6th came out. I brought my Tau (which were still old codex at the time) and got a GK player my second round. It was the relic mission so he was easily going to roflstomp me. He brought 2 max squads of pallys with draigo, a librarian, 2 minimum strike squads with razorbacks, and the rest was autocannon dreds. I blew up a razor back turn 2 which was the only full kill i got due to him look out sir ing every wound i got in to the pallys. He got so mad i got a kill against him he kicked a chair into another table that messed up their game. He ended up losing to daemons due to the white dwarf update in the next round and this time threw a chair.

hahaha I love those types.

Played against someone who once thought that as long as you follow force organisation you can have any model from any codex. He fielded Draigo, riptide, wraithknight, carnifex group, wave serpents with dire avengers, lots of stealers and mephiston

This isn't all that impressive, but still grinds my gears.

I joined my first league at my local store quite awhile back. I only had Necrons at the time, and was learning the game still. The guy who worked at the store said it was a friendly league to help you find new people to play, experience new armies, and the like. So I said sure, since I hate going into actual tournaments. My first game was the first time I had ever played Tau. And the guy had a gunline with Aegis, Missilesides, and 3 Riptides. Needless to say I conceded turn 3 when most of my stuff was dead. The guy who worked for the store actually apologized for pairing me against him, knowing I was a new player.

But hey, that was the game where a single Necron warrior punched a Riptide in the face and killed it. It was glorious, if only for a second.

Makumba wrote:
When I was visiting my aunt in UK, I took my army with me, because I realy wanted to go to warhammer world. On the weekend my aunt drove me there. Huge place, more terrain then I ever saw in my life. Found an opponent who didn't mind my accent . Dude was , from the looks, in his late 30s, asked about my army, where I come from and was not creepy doing this. He didn't even ask why I don't play nids or sob, which almost all new opponents ask me.
I asked for a game ,he asked for my list, if I had any other models etc. I had foot guard, with no vendettas as those would take up too much space in a plane. After seeing my army, he deployed his. 3 whirlwinds, 3 FW weapon platforms that looked like whirlwinds and a ton of 5 man squads with heavy bolters. I asked about the FW rules, as we don't play FW here, and he said he didn't have the book with him, but his friends asured me that they work how he said they did. I got almost wiped out turn 1, died turn 2. And then the fun started, first he started to laugh at me with his friend how bad my army list, then asked me why am so unhappy about his 20+min of rolling dice. And when I was walking away he told his friends how bad female gamers are and how he was trying to "go easy on me".

That Freakin' Guy was a D-bag for asking for your list before offering to show you his. He completely tailored his list to kill yours. As was pointed out elsewhere, not having the proper rules for your units that you are choosing to represent, is a big no-no in my book.

Makumba wrote:
When I was visiting my aunt in UK, I took my army with me, because I realy wanted to go to warhammer world. On the weekend my aunt drove me there. Huge place, more terrain then I ever saw in my life. Found an opponent who didn't mind my accent . Dude was , from the looks, in his late 30s, asked about my army, where I come from and was not creepy doing this. He didn't even ask why I don't play nids or sob, which almost all new opponents ask me.
I asked for a game ,he asked for my list, if I had any other models etc. I had foot guard, with no vendettas as those would take up too much space in a plane. After seeing my army, he deployed his. 3 whirlwinds, 3 FW weapon platforms that looked like whirlwinds and a ton of 5 man squads with heavy bolters. I asked about the FW rules, as we don't play FW here, and he said he didn't have the book with him, but his friends asured me that they work how he said they did. I got almost wiped out turn 1, died turn 2. And then the fun started, first he started to laugh at me with his friend how bad my army list, then asked me why am so unhappy about his 20+min of rolling dice. And when I was walking away he told his friends how bad female gamers are and how he was trying to "go easy on me".

I had a similar situation where a guy asked for my list, took it to a corner, wrote out a list of his own specifically to counter it, then proceeded to stomp me and gloat about it. I put up with it because I was new to that club and wanted to fit in, but it became pretty evident that it was not the place for me.

 Vector Strike wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:Two massive red flags right there.

asking for opponent's list is not a red flag at all. She should have asked for his as well.

When someone asks for your list before writing theirs (and checks that you don't have any extra models) that's a massive red flag.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:Two massive red flags right there.

asking for opponent's list is not a red flag at all. She should have asked for his as well.

When someone asks for your list before writing theirs (and checks that you don't have any extra models) that's a massive red flag.

Agreed. >.<

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:Two massive red flags right there.

asking for opponent's list is not a red flag at all. She should have asked for his as well.

When someone asks for your list before writing theirs (and checks that you don't have any extra models) that's a massive red flag.

Agreed. >.<

Yeep, all that a person should really need to know is the points and what is or not allowed (if your FLGS goes that way).

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:Two massive red flags right there.

asking for opponent's list is not a red flag at all. She should have asked for his as well.

When someone asks for your list before writing theirs (and checks that you don't have any extra models) that's a massive red flag.

Ah yes, but I interpreted the guy already had a list ready. But you're right - only show your list AFTER the opponent already chose one to play.

 Brother SRM wrote:
I was playing in a tournament and I had a squad of Guardsmen on foot. They went through dangerous terrain, so I rolled 10 dice, got a single 1, failed the armor save, and removed one lasgun guy. My opponent made a stink about the fact I didn't roll for each individual model in the unit, which would have taken exponentially longer and we were pressed for time. So, to oblige him, I went back, moved every model back, and rolled a die for each individual guy. The same exact model I previously removed was the only one to fail his rolls, and I stared my opponent in the eye as I deliberately removed him. The game was miserable before it, and miserable after it.

I played a game years ago against a guy who would just yell "Don't mess up!" before every. Single. Dieroll. I don't know if that qualifies him as TFG in the traditional sense, but it was absolutely infuriating and I never played him again.

It's actually quite important to roll 'separately' cause you might have key models that may get killed and drammatically affect the way things will turn out. Like a priest in a conscript squad. Not that i insist on such rolls but i try to take them myself all the time. The key is not to roll separately, but to take different colour dice.

For example, i'm running a truck full of boyz + nob + mek + rokkits. That's 5 different types of guyz in a single 12-strong squad. And a truck explodes. I take a red die for nob, 2 green dies for rokkits, 1 blue die for mek and regular white ones for the rest of the boyz. The same way different weapon strikes are done in the assault phase. I don't see anything bad in it. It's a fine gesture to play it fair and not just casually pick an unsignificant model out.


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 Scott-S6 wrote:

When someone asks for your list before writing theirs (and checks that you don't have any extra models) that's a massive red flag.

Depends on how you use this knowledge.

For example, last time i came in a gaming store, there was a new sm guy looking for a game. He had 500 pt of marines, i had 1250 pt of orkses. So, i adjusted the list to match his not to make the game one-sided.

He had a plazma-cannon dread, 2 min tac squads, captain from aobr and terminators. So, i just took a 20-strong shootaboy squad with warboss and painboss, a bunch of grots and a truck of 'ard boyz. And it was an enjoyable game with each opponent having an edge in something and not hard-countering each other. My regular lists alwayz include big gunz but they'd be too devastating vs his clearly not-optimised list and lack of experience.

So, the pre-knowledge of the opponent's build is definitely not a bad thing if you're using it to match the lists for a more enjoyable gameplay. I'd actually say it's mandatory for low point games.

 Vector Strike wrote:


asking for opponent's list is not a red flag at all. She should have asked for his as well.

I did , but he said he didn't have the rulebooks with him, He did on the other hand have 4 cases full of models. He asked about me list before I even started to think about playing. He asked me first what army I play. Then said I can't be using many vendettas with just one case with me and I said I amfrom abroad and that vendattas would weight too much ,so I took a foot guard list. And then he asked me for a game.

I had a similar situation where a guy asked for my list, took it to a corner, wrote out a list of his own specifically to counter it, then proceeded to stomp me and gloat about it. I put up with it because I was new to that club and wanted to fit in, but it became pretty evident that it was not the place for me.

The thing that kept me playing was the fact that my aunt would pick me up in 6 hours and to do something till then, but after the game, I was afraid that everyone else is going to be the same. So I just walked around with my case the whole day.

My worst TFG story came from a gaming store in North Carolina. I was visiting my (now ex) girlfriend down there, so brought an army with me to play a few games while she was at work. Got paired with this one dude - total TFG attitude (e.g., If you declare shooting with one unit, stop yourself and say "wait let me do my orders" that's apparently out of sequence and unacceptable. Fingers off a model, it's already moved. It's not a fething chess tournament, calm down).

Anyway, he conveniently forgot to bring his codex with him. Great stuff - flavor of the month Necrons (air force with 3 anni barges and Imotek) at the time. Anyway, his anni barges seemed to be getting a strangely large number of shots. I asked him, "Are you sure that the guns underneath are 2x twin linked?" (for a total of 4 TL shots a piece). He insisted that they were...after the game, a casual observer came up to me and explained to me the actual rules for that unit. He was also playing his Anni barges as Fast units.

Basically, a ridiculous amount of cheating behavior with a FotM army and being a douchebag the entire time makes you TFG.

I've only had a few TFG experiences, but the one that sticks out in my mind was TFG's wife that decided to change her little nurglings' diaper on the play table behind us. Just nasty.

It's been years since I played with any random opponents. Actually, it's been at least a decade.

The one I do remember was this one jerk. He had a regular problem with body odour (turned out he's schizophrenic and was terrified of the shower). One day he's playing in a tournament against one of the younger kids, who'd brought less than the points limit of the tournament (not by a little, either, it was a 1500pts tournament and the kid had brought around 600 to 700 points or so, or maybe 900, I dunno, it was a decade ago and my memory is fuzzy on details). So the kid asked the guy if he wouldn't mind lowering the amount of points in his army to be roughly comparable. It wasn't a serious tournament or anything, just a tiny local thing. But the jerk declined to reduce his points.

I was that jerk. In what little defence there is, I had kinda lost a crapton of games (I think, actually, that I never had won a game except against my younger brother) so the prospect of what would be an easy win was too tempting to ignore.

At least I lost. And that feels kinda good in a way, since not only did that kid win a game, he won it at a severe disadvantage in points values, which must've felt really good.

 Pouncey wrote:

I was that jerk.

Did not see that coming, but good on you for being a good enough guy to recognize it and admit it was jerky.