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Here is the youtube video about Windows 10.




Seriously, this must be a joke. Half this add describes Windows 3.1.

In before, "dat hair !!"

Classic Shell made win 8 usable for me. Removed 90% of the backwards stuff and added some nice extra functionality, resulting in it being better than Win 7. Without classic shell Win 7 is still superior imo. That said I scored it for $15 so can't complain - especially since it looks like owners of 8 get 10 for free.

It's good that they acknowledge how ridiculous 8 was.

7 8 9?

It's actually quite common in the software developement industry where a major release number/letter is skipped.

There's a variety of reasons why it happens.

I wonder how this will effect the pattern of good-bad-good systems.

I stuck to WindowsXP until Windows7. Didnt like Vista and absolutely hate Windows8.

Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that he keeps calling programs "aps"?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that he keeps calling programs "aps"?

Given they spent a fair bit of time extolling the virtues of the new and wondrous TITLE BAR with its "X" button that allows you to "close" your prog er, apps, I guess I must have missed that little detail.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that he keeps calling programs "aps"?

I once asked some more technology-savvy people what the difference between executable programs and apps was. None could give me a straight answer, so I just assumed its just a change of language caused by everyone copying Apple.

EDIT: Just noticed the All programs in the Video's start bar is replaced with All Apps.

I guess they are trying to cheat the windows good/bad/good/bad pattern

Dropbear Victim wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that he keeps calling programs "aps"?

I once asked some more technology-savvy people what the difference between executable programs and apps was. None could give me a straight answer, so I just assumed its just a change of language caused by everyone copying Apple.

EDIT: Just noticed the All programs in the Video's start bar is replaced with All Apps.

I think it's down to non computer savvy people being happier with apps than programs. Apps sound like they will do things for you, programs sound like you need to be a programmer and understand stuff. Applications is also a term that has been used for many years, Apple just popularised its use and the shortening "apps".

Dropbear Victim wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that he keeps calling programs "aps"?

I once asked some more technology-savvy people what the difference between executable programs and apps was. None could give me a straight answer, so I just assumed its just a change of language caused by everyone copying Apple.

EDIT: Just noticed the All programs in the Video's start bar is replaced with All Apps.

From my own experience in the tech world, there is no real difference between an app or a program.... As a "program" in the sense that is most commonly used, is really an "application", as if you want to break things down to the most technical details, a "program" is merely a script that does one thing as it is told via input, an application (software, program, etc) is a series of "programs" combined together. ie Doom 3 on the PC, there's a program within the game that reacts to the input of a Left Mouse Click, which "fires a gun". With the input of a W key, the user "moves forward" etc.


As with most language in the rest of "real life" even programming language can and has changed over the years, hence why we have scripts, shells, GUI, etc. I may be a bit off, but this has been my basic understanding of the "basic" terms within the computer world.

 Breotan wrote:

Seriously, this must be a joke. Half this add describes Windows 3.1.

Nah, you're being harsh. Win 3.1 was nowhere near that feature complete. It's more like KDE roughly 14 years ago.


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 Steve steveson wrote:
I guess they are trying to cheat the windows good/bad/good/bad pattern

I thought that too, but if you consider 8.1 the successor to 8 the way people do 98 SE (i.e. it was the good one while the old version of the same version was crap), it might hold true this will still be the crap version.


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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

From my own experience in the tech world, there is no real difference between an app or a program.... As a "program" in the sense that is most commonly used, is really an "application", as if you want to break things down to the most technical details, a "program" is merely a script that does one thing as it is told via input, an application (software, program, etc) is a series of "programs" combined together. ie Doom 3 on the PC, there's a program within the game that reacts to the input of a Left Mouse Click, which "fires a gun". With the input of a W key, the user "moves forward" etc.


As with most language in the rest of "real life" even programming language can and has changed over the years, hence why we have scripts, shells, GUI, etc. I may be a bit off, but this has been my basic understanding of the "basic" terms within the computer world.

And if you market it to an enterprise environment, it's a "solution". Doesn't matter if it's Outlook or some million dollar installation of Oracle or hell, even Minesweeper. It's a Solution damnit.

It's basically about 90% marketing and about 10% the culture that generated it.

I too find "solution" marginally more annoying than "app"; but they are both annoying.

I've decided. I'm going to start calling it WindX.

Windows 10? No thanks, I use DOS. You probably haven't heard of it.

squidhills wrote:
Windows 10? No thanks, I use DOS. You probably haven't heard of it.

c:\winning.exe


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One of the reasons I have seen for "no windows 9" is that they might be covering for badly written software that is written to check if your version of Windows starts with 9* to see if your computer is running Windows 95 or 98.

 d-usa wrote:

One of the reasons I have seen for "no windows 9" is that they might be covering for badly written software that is written to check if your version of Windows starts with 9* to see if your computer is running Windows 95 or 98.

Is it really so hard to alter that software to now read for Windows 9.X ??

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

One of the reasons I have seen for "no windows 9" is that they might be covering for badly written software that is written to check if your version of Windows starts with 9* to see if your computer is running Windows 95 or 98.

Is it really so hard to alter that software to now read for Windows 9.X ??

It's Y2K all over again!

I'm generally a Microsoft apologist, but Windows 8 really was a disaster. Hoping they’ve learned their lessons for Windows 10.

*EDIT*

This 'one platform' idea of theirs can naff off. You can't run a Phone and a Desktop PC on the same OS. They are completely different devices. Half the problem with Windows 8 was that it was obviously designed with Tablets/Mobiles in mind.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

One of the reasons I have seen for "no windows 9" is that they might be covering for badly written software that is written to check if your version of Windows starts with 9* to see if your computer is running Windows 95 or 98.

Is it really so hard to alter that software to now read for Windows 9.X ??

They might be concerned with older (non-Microsoft) software that won't be updated anymore. "Skipping" a version number seems to be a simple fix for that.

9 probably was like vista not even the developers could make the piece of gak work so the skipped it.

 LuciusAR wrote:
I'm generally a Microsoft apologist, but Windows 8 really was a disaster. Hoping they’ve learned their lessons for Windows 10.

I actually prefer Windows 8. Without the update to 8.1 the start button doesn't waste screen space and at the same time its infinite size (the lower left screen corner and everything "beyond") is very easy to hit. Any program can be easily found by typing the starting letters or scrolling through the icon-list. Moreover i setup the first "page" of the start-screen to show calendar entries, news headlines and recent email headers all at one glance and i can switch between work/entertainment on the desktop to said information overview just by clicking on the lower left corner. Nothing really fundamentally different, but it seems to work quite well for me.

Microsoft Windows 10:
We got our asses spanked and had to start all over again!

Got a cheap Surface way back when.

Was at Windows 8.0 RT on it... HATED it, was like it could not decide what operating system it wanted to be.

Then 8.1, acted like a "normal" windows product and made sense again <whew!>. Figuring out how to close "apps" properly was bugging me though, the "X" still needs to be around, when I want programs to no longer be running do not make it difficult.

I'm not sure what to say about the numbering change, it always seemed the "odd" numbers were best.

WindX I think is a good name, I may go with this too.

I quite like 8.1, but I hope this one will be good.

I love Windows 8.1, I have a Surface Pro 2 and it's ace with 8.1. You need a touchscreen for it to make sense though I guess....

Using 8.1 on a desktop and it's perfectly fine; complete usable and not at all prohibitive. It took a little getting used to, but that's only to be expected. I never tried vanilla 8, but most of the places I looked at when researching for my current build said that 8.1 all but sorted the issues with trying to use 8 on a desktop, and I personally can't really fault it.

Via SoylentNews (which got it from reddit), the reason for the shift to Windows 10:

Microsoft dev here, the internal rumours are that early testing revealed just how many third party products that had code of the form:
if (version.StartsWith("Windows 9")) {
/* 95 and 98 */
} else {
}

That... that actually makes a lot of sense.

That Y2K style coding is urban legend. Code checks version by version number, not name. Windows 7 is "6.1.7601". That's how you check for OS compatibility. Windows 8 starts with 6.2 or 6.3 for Windows 8.1. No idea if Win10 will be 6.4 or jump straight to 7.x or something.

 Breotan wrote:
That Y2K style coding is urban legend. Code checks version by version number, not name. Windows 7 is "6.1.7601". That's how you check for OS compatibility. Windows 8 starts with 6.2 or 6.3 for Windows 8.1. No idea if Win10 will be 6.4 or jump straight to 7.x or something.

Maybe. You'd be surprised how many bad programmers there are out there. I've had to support code that wouldn't install on some Linux distributions. Turns out they checked uname... I think it was either 'uname -a' or 'uname -r' to determine if it should install the linux or the solaris version. If it didn't have "2.4" in it for linux or "SunOS" for solaris, it told you that your OS was incompatible.

2.4 was the linux kernel version at the time it was written (really old code, okay?), well, 2.6 came out, and guess what? Bunch of installers failing because the OS didn't meet minimum system requirements even though it was a newer version, nevermind that the code was completely compatible.

How you should do it, and you actually do are very different. I mean, for all the third party software out there for windows, I could just see it happening far more than anyone is comfortable with.

Everyone who can code well enough to design software knows about versioning. It's basic stuff. Besides, even if you didn't know how to do it, you'd look it up and all the stuff is there on a wiki site or a coding site.