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Honestly you'd probably be better served by just taking Court of the Archons w/ Venoms and throwing Death Jesters in there.

You can get up to 4 Venoms out of the HQ slot that way w/ a x 2 Archon build or go the cheap route and just buy 2 HQ Lhaemens w/ Venoms.

Here's a report against the new Necrons if anyone is interested:

BR1: The Repugnant Ramblers Vs Necrons - 1250pts

 Mushkilla wrote:
Here's a report against the new Necrons if anyone is interested:

BR1: The Repugnant Ramblers Vs Necrons - 1250pts

This was a fantastic read. Thank you so much. Seems like you played a near perfect strategy with what you brought.

 Gamerely wrote:
This was a fantastic read. Thank you so much. Seems like you played a near perfect strategy with what you brought.

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the report.

To be fair I had a good bit of luck too: both units of grotesques coming in turn 2, the wraiths falling for the talos bait, and the spyder getting killed by a lucky flesh gauntlet blow meaning there was no fearless unit preventing the grotesque unit from sweeping the warriors and immortals.

I love it! I have enough coven models I am finishing up to field 20 grots + corpse thief. Sounds like a great army to fit into my Bikes saddlebags this summer

 Red Corsair wrote:
Sounds like a great army to fit into my Bikes saddlebags this summer

That was one of the main goals when designing this list (it needs to fit in a shoe box).

 Mushkilla wrote:
Here's a report against the new Necrons if anyone is interested:

BR1: The Repugnant Ramblers Vs Necrons - 1250pts

Nice match.

Necrons rolled through my FLGS tournament this week, tabling Tyrannids without losing a model and blowing out two other armies (one was 2 knights).

 Mushkilla wrote:

 Gamerely wrote:
This was a fantastic read. Thank you so much. Seems like you played a near perfect strategy with what you brought.

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the report.

To be fair I had a good bit of luck too: both units of grotesques coming in turn 2, the wraiths falling for the talos bait, and the spyder getting killed by a lucky flesh gauntlet blow meaning there was no fearless unit preventing the grotesque unit from sweeping the warriors and immortals.

The wraith bait was nice, with your enclosure tactic it allowed you to dictate the charges and with which units, the flesh gauntlet, well thats the exact reason you take those kinds of weapons you dont take it for the statistical chance, you take it because you can do exactly that on occasion

But really well played and I thoroughly enjoyed it, aswell as all your other reports

How do you guys feel about Dark Eldar placing in the bottom 5 of the recent LVO Tournament? I'm just starting Dark Eldar and... I kind of like it... I like being niche.

 Gamerely wrote:
How do you guys feel about Dark Eldar placing in the bottom 5 of the recent LVO Tournament? I'm just starting Dark Eldar and... I kind of like it... I like being niche.

Consider dark angels as your next army then.

 HawaiiMatt wrote:

 Gamerely wrote:
How do you guys feel about Dark Eldar placing in the bottom 5 of the recent LVO Tournament? I'm just starting Dark Eldar and... I kind of like it... I like being niche.

Consider dark angels as your next army then.

I don't think the world needs more Space Marine players.

 Gamerely wrote:
How do you guys feel about Dark Eldar placing in the bottom 5 of the recent LVO Tournament? I'm just starting Dark Eldar and... I kind of like it... I like being niche.

Dark Eldar have almost always been niche (aside from that time in 6th when all eldar players were allying in the baron). I think most of us like it that way. It's a great army with lots of play styles which keeps things interesting. Also we are almost always masively underestimated.

I still think Dark Eldar competitive is going to be mass Reavers and Razorwings. Their just so good.

DE will be niche because they have a huge learning curve to be effective, not just take unit A, place with unit B and nom nom nom.

Also I agree we don't need more SM players but DA is a different story lol

 Solosam47 wrote:
DE will be niche because they have a huge learning curve to be effective, not just take unit A, place with unit B and nom nom nom.

I think venom spam is the closest we have to a "point and click" list. But then again I have never been a fan of it, so maybe i'm biased.

 Gamerely wrote:
How do you guys feel about Dark Eldar placing in the bottom 5 of the recent LVO Tournament? I'm just starting Dark Eldar and... I kind of like it... I like being niche.

I don't mind being niche, but I do wish our army had a bit more bite to it.

Alternatively, could we at least have some more options? I don't see why every other army can have bikes, wings, jetbikes etc., yet not a single one of our characters is allowed so much as wings. In an army that happily grafts wings onto its infantry. And which has Skyboards. And Jetbikes. And while I'm complaining, why is it that SM Honour Guard get to pay just 10 measly points for S6 AP3 power weapons, but even our T3 sergeants have to pay 15pts for S3 AP3 power weapons, and more than twice that for a AP3 power weapon that only wounds on a 4+? And why are we not even allowed a relic weapon that's AP2?

I guess it just makes me sad when I look at the new Necron book, which saw huge boosts for virtually every unit that was bad in 5th/6th and an interesting detachment that rewards a more flavourful army. Then I look at ours with our slashed SCs, crap detachment and bad units that got even worse. Sigh.

On the other hand, maybe DE are really rewarding players who are true to their fluff - i.e. masochists...

 vipoid wrote:
Alternatively, could we at least have some more options? I don't see why every other army can have bikes, wings, jetbikes etc., yet not a single one of our characters is allowed so much as wings. In an army that happily grafts wings onto its infantry. And which has Skyboards. And Jetbikes.

Given up hope on that one. On the bright side at least we have a working WWP now. The Coven supplement is solid, but our main codex is nothing special, and could have done with a more options. Hellions and Wyches in particular are very disappointing.

 vipoid wrote:

 Gamerely wrote:
How do you guys feel about Dark Eldar placing in the bottom 5 of the recent LVO Tournament? I'm just starting Dark Eldar and... I kind of like it... I like being niche.

I don't mind being niche, but I do wish our army had a bit more bite to it.

Alternatively, could we at least have some more options? I don't see why every other army can have bikes, wings, jetbikes etc., yet not a single one of our characters is allowed so much as wings. In an army that happily grafts wings onto its infantry. And which has Skyboards. And Jetbikes. And while I'm complaining, why is it that SM Honour Guard get to pay just 10 measly points for S6 AP3 power weapons, but even our T3 sergeants have to pay 15pts for S3 AP3 power weapons, and more than twice that for a AP3 power weapon that only wounds on a 4+? And why are we not even allowed a relic weapon that's AP2?

I guess it just makes me sad when I look at the new Necron book, which saw huge boosts for virtually every unit that was bad in 5th/6th and an interesting detachment that rewards a more flavourful army. Then I look at ours with our slashed SCs, crap detachment and bad units that got even worse. Sigh.

On the other hand, maybe DE are really rewarding players who are true to their fluff - i.e. masochists...

Some unique characters would be nice but honestly I feel everyone who doesn't play necrons was sad on the new codex release cause it was such a good codex, left everyone else wanting more from theirs :(

 Mushkilla wrote:

Given up hope on that one. On the bright side at least we have a working WWP now. The Coven supplement is solid, but our main codex is nothing special, and could have done with a more options. Hellions and Wyches in particular are very disappointing.

Agreed.

 Mushkilla wrote:
I think venom spam is the closest we have to a "point and click" list. But then again I have never been a fan of it, so maybe i'm biased.

I've never used it myself (don't have nearly enough venoms), but the lists I've seen all seem very reliant on just a few Ravagers to deal with mech. It seems like as soon as they're dead/suppressed, then all you've got left that can touch vehicles is a handful of blasters. I guess I could be underestimating 3 Ravagers.

Either way though, it just seems like a really dull list.

 vipoid wrote:
I've never used it myself (don't have nearly enough venoms), but the lists I've seen all seem very reliant on just a few Ravagers to deal with mech. It seems like as soon as they're dead/suppressed, then all you've got left that can touch vehicles is a handful of blasters. I guess I could be underestimating 3 Ravagers.

Honestly I have given up on dark lances and blasters. Assault feels so much more reliable at dealing with armour.

I agree that, for the most part, the regular DE codex is pretty bland. I thought it was fairly well balanced against other 7th codexes until Necrons came out. It has some solid units like Venoms, Scourges, Razorwings, Ravagers, and, possibly Reavers. But most of the stuff that I actually have fun playing with is in the Covens supplement. I don't always win playing Coven-heavy lists, but losing is much more fun when I get to mulch large parts of my opponent's army with Talos and Grotesques. Honestly, if the Covens supplement allowed Ravagers and/or Razorwings, I'd probably would just stop using regular DE codex units altogether.

Reavers are insane for their point cost and next to Tomb Blades the best bargain Jetbikes in the game.

Hollismason wrote:
Reavers are insane for their point cost and next to Tomb Blades the best bargain Jetbikes in the game.

They are good but they fulfill roles that we never had issues with, AI. Meanwhile they suck balls against FMC's which are the big thing as of late, not to mention their weakness against high AV. I am liking coven units more and more for the fact that they, unlike every other option, are very durable and make the FMC's think twice about landing. Bikes are great until a Flyrant egrubs the lot.

 Mushkilla wrote:
Honestly I have given up on dark lances and blasters. Assault feels so much more reliable at dealing with armour.

My problem with only using assault to deal with armour is transports. If you assault and kill a transport in assault, then you've basically wasted your turn killing a cheap vehicle and its contents can just step out and shoot/assault you in their turn.

I guess it's good if you can fully surround it, but that seems very difficult to pull off.

sweetbacon wrote:
I agree that, for the most part, the regular DE codex is pretty bland. I thought it was fairly well balanced against other 7th codexes until Necrons came out. It has some solid units like Venoms, Scourges, Razorwings, Ravagers, and, possibly Reavers. But most of the stuff that I actually have fun playing with is in the Covens supplement. I don't always win playing Coven-heavy lists, but losing is much more fun when I get to mulch large parts of my opponent's army with Talos and Grotesques. Honestly, if the Covens supplement allowed Ravagers and/or Razorwings, I'd probably would just stop using regular DE codex units altogether.

I feel exactly the same with regard to Coven stuff.

Hollismason wrote:
Reavers are insane for their point cost and next to Tomb Blades the best bargain Jetbikes in the game.

They're a nice unit, but I really don't think they're the best jetbikes in the game.

 vipoid wrote:
My problem with only using assault to deal with armour is transports. If you assault and kill a transport in assault, then you've basically wasted your turn killing a cheap vehicle and its contents can just step out and shoot/assault you in their turn.

I guess it's good if you can fully surround it, but that seems very difficult to pull off.

That's true, but I find with large footprint units you can get around this by charging more than one thing in a turn. Multiple charges can really boost the damage out put of assault units when done right. Surrounds also are not as hard to pull off as people think given a bit of practice (It's on my list of pragmatic realspace raider articles to write). For smaller units, though like talos, it's definitely an inconvenience, and partly why I'm considering heatlances. Haywire blasters can't make vehicles explode, so more often then not the unit will just disembark behind the wrecked vehicle where you can't charge them.

Question for everyone.

If you were to take a squad of Grotesques how do you equip them, in what # and with what IC if any?

Working on converting some and I really hope they are competitive.

Incognito15 wrote:
Question for everyone.

If you were to take a squad of Grotesques how do you equip them, in what # and with what IC if any?

Working on converting some and I really hope they are competitive.

Depends what you want to do with them. In a regular Dark Eldar list? I would suggest the following:

3 grotesques
1 aberration with agoniser
1 succubus with glaive and haywire grenade
1 Raiders (night shields and enhanced aether sails optional)

One another note I have written another guide if anyone is interested:

The Pragmatic Realspace Raider: Mastering the Multiple Charge

Hope that helps.

I'd rather take a Abberation with Scissorhands, cheaper and it gives you rending.

Well its at 1850 pts. As of now my Dark Eldar arent big enough to be a stand alone army so I have to bring in Eldar (I know its a crutch).

I was thinking of making a mini deathstar. 6 of them and a =Archon with Webway and a Farseer.

Raiders die so easily but I could do that. 2 groups of 3 in Raiders if need be.

Which would you guys recommend?

 Gamerely wrote:
How do you guys feel about Dark Eldar placing in the bottom 5 of the recent LVO Tournament? I'm just starting Dark Eldar and... I kind of like it... I like being niche.

I've always thought of Deldar as a spoiler army- they ignore high toughness and high AV. That's pretty much what Deldar are good at. Unfortunately we don't have really good anti-air outside of our own flyers, so I think that's holding Deldar back a little.