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Vardariotai are cheaper. And you don't have to wait until hell freezes over to be abl to train them. Boyar Sons on the other hand are interesting.

Update on my 900 turn HRE game

It's turn 305 and I still haven't gotten Gunpowder yet.
So far I have 58 territories and 3 vassals (scotland, poland and russia)

The mongols spawned about 20 turns before and started to kick the Russians asses, so I have to fight them with everything I have available.

The problem is that the Spanish decided that now is the perfect opportunity to sail a boat up from Toledo and try to take Rennes.

Also, do Mongol units cost no upkeep? I had a look on the stats of one of their infantry units and it was upkeep 0.

Phew!
Okay, finished the crusade, so my relationship with the Pope is outstanding right now. But he won't take Cairo from me because he's all "You're just going to take it back, bro. I know you!"

Feth it. I'll just hamstring it and then head and take Alexandria. I've already looted it. (Boy was it rich!)

On the other hand, I'm at war with Venice, Milan, France and Poland right now. To be fair, I didn't start any of those wars, but they're all jerks. My forces are stretched pretty thin, especially in the south, so I am glad the crusade is over and I can start dedicating more resources to the south. I've lost 4 nobles in battle recently though, which sucks, so I have to get some new leaders down south. Currently Venice, Bologna and Florence are all without governors, which means I've got to keep them on low tax rates to keep the population in check.

Thinking about building up some power and then just nabbing Rome followed by the rest of Italy. Even with an outstanding relationship the Pope is still unreasonable, and I figure we're going to end up at war eventually- capturing Rome is part of my win condition in any case.

Did you try gifting Cairo? I've never seen a faction refuse a gift.
Cairo is probably going to be captured anyway.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
do Mongol units cost no upkeep? I had a look on the stats of one of their infantry units and it was upkeep 0.

I'm not sure, but that's probably some legacy code left over from Rome: Barbarian Invasion, where hordes on the move cost no upkeep till they decide to settle down.

Like how javelin units are still super effective against elephants, even though it doesn't mention it any more.

Yeah, I've tried gifting the Pope money, I've tried gifting him both Cairo and Alexandria, or just map information. He's just not interested, even though I have an outstanding relationship with him. Go figure.

Under attack from Hungary and Poland right now, as well as Milan and France. It's a bit hectic- I might as well be excommunicated for all the good the Pope is doing me!

I feel like burning the world might be a viable alternative.

for some reason, the pope in my spain game was only aligned with the moors and no one else...

Welp, all this Medieval 2 talk has gotten to me. Reinstalled it with the latest version of the Stainless Steel mod, including Byg's Grim Reality and Meneth's Sub Mod Compilation.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?314-Stainless-Steel

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?106060-BGR-V-120719-Byg-s-Grim-Reality-%28Supply-amp-Command-Series%29-Guides-Updates-amp-Optional-Extras


http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?380006-Meneth-s-Sub-mod-Compilation-%28MSC%29-6-0


Only a few turns in... and man I have forgotten how to play this game. I forsee a short, grim future for Denmark!

alright update with my short game yesterday:

spain's two main armies are entirely composed of calvary, and after threats from france I wisely moved them to the mountains guarding spain from those smelly bastards. I was right! a few turns later my two calvary armies have annihilated 4 whole half banner armies before I finally moved on towards my own offensive. I took a french castle despite france's (and the pope's!) pleas for peace, and now i'm in control of 4 castles across my kingdom....


also got into a war with milan. eh.

Make it five castles. just captured another one of France's provenience in a surprise attack. cost me some good soldiers but eh, it was acceptable. I now hold most of southern france and have two castles on the frontiers of my conquest. about to capture a milanese town too, so they can eat it.


also, i have access to sword and buckler troops. are they worth it/ really good? what about mounted crossbows compared to jinnates?

Don't forget to convert any spare castles you have into towns and cities; it's no use having a castle at the far corner of your empire nowhere near any fighting, or in a cluster of other castles. A ratio of 1 castle to every 5 or 6 towns is usually fairly good, and Spain needn't worry too much about it since their cities get access to the Plaza Del Toro, allowing you to recruit Jinetes without relying on castles.

As for mounted crossbows vs Jinetes, there isn't much that the crossbows do as well, never mind better, then the Jinetes. The only real advantages they have are range and ammunition capacity; Jinetes are at least as good - and more likely better - in every single other aspect.

I have been yes, except for citadels. kinda want to keep those.

thought that the jinetes were better, but it still would be good to have at least some, right? and are knights good to use?

now that i have swordsmen, should I have more foot based armies?

 Bromsy wrote:
Welp, all this Medieval 2 talk has gotten to me. Reinstalled it with the latest version of the Stainless Steel mod, including Byg's Grim Reality and Meneth's Sub Mod Compilation.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?314-Stainless-Steel

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?106060-BGR-V-120719-Byg-s-Grim-Reality-%28Supply-amp-Command-Series%29-Guides-Updates-amp-Optional-Extras


http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?380006-Meneth-s-Sub-mod-Compilation-%28MSC%29-6-0


Only a few turns in... and man I have forgotten how to play this game. I forsee a short, grim future for Denmark!

What's stainless steel like? Does it increase the turn limit?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Bromsy wrote:
Welp, all this Medieval 2 talk has gotten to me. Reinstalled it with the latest version of the Stainless Steel mod, including Byg's Grim Reality and Meneth's Sub Mod Compilation.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?314-Stainless-Steel

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?106060-BGR-V-120719-Byg-s-Grim-Reality-%28Supply-amp-Command-Series%29-Guides-Updates-amp-Optional-Extras


http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?380006-Meneth-s-Sub-mod-Compilation-%28MSC%29-6-0


Only a few turns in... and man I have forgotten how to play this game. I forsee a short, grim future for Denmark!

What's stainless steel like? Does it increase the turn limit?

Yeah, and its been a while since I played M2, but it seems to add a lot.

I been trying to get the stainless steel mod to work but it's being a pain in the ass. first off, I have the steam version that also has kingdoms.

the problem is when I try to launch it all I get is "is kindoms.exe in your folder?"

but after going through the entire game folder this is absolutely no exe files of any sort.

please help X-X

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
I been trying to get the stainless steel mod to work but it's being a pain in the ass. first off, I have the steam version that also has kingdoms.

the problem is when I try to launch it all I get is "is kindoms.exe in your folder?"

but after going through the entire game folder this is absolutely no exe files of any sort.

please help X-X

It's a problem with one of the newer updates to Medieval on steam, they integrated everything. Rename Medieval.exe to Kingdoms.exe in the main folder and it should work fine. That worked for me.

there is no medieval.exe, or any exe. there is only an application named medieval, is that it?

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
there is no medieval.exe, or any exe. there is only an application named medieval, is that it?

Yes there is, and that is it.

For future reference: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/show-hide-file-name-extensions#show-hide-file-name-extensions=windows-7 (the same process on Windows 8)

You're only not seeing the .exe because the system defaults to hiding known file extensions.

...... Emperor damn it.


well, thank you for the info then, that was driving me nuts!

anywho, I should just rename and not copy/paste it and then rename, correct?

This thread made me dust off my old Stainless Steel and put it on.


Playing as the Crusader States is a total pain in the butt, but it is so satisfying when you get all five of your cities beseiged in one turn and then crush them all with superior units. The Knights Templar are a god send, so are the Knights of Jerusalem.

Alright speeking of it I made a new file that says kingdoms, and it launched!!!!


...for all of 1 minute. then it crashed of an unknown error.

what now? I downloaded the first file, and I think I have them all... else, I have all of the ss.3 files in my downloads but they cant open X-X

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?417435-Stainless-Steel-6-4-Released!

Did you run setup? Mine does that so everytime I play I need to run set up as administrator, select my campaign and then hit play that way.

I did, but now it just crashes without an error message =/

So what should I do for the mod now? anything I can?

 Avatar 720 wrote:
Don't forget to convert any spare castles you have into towns and cities; it's no use having a castle at the far corner of your empire nowhere near any fighting, or in a cluster of other castles. A ratio of 1 castle to every 5 or 6 towns is usually fairly good, and Spain needn't worry too much about it since their cities get access to the Plaza Del Toro, allowing you to recruit Jinetes without relying on castles.

As for mounted crossbows vs Jinetes, there isn't much that the crossbows do as well, never mind better, then the Jinetes. The only real advantages they have are range and ammunition capacity; Jinetes are at least as good - and more likely better - in every single other aspect.

Don't follow this advice in stainless steel or you will end up with only 1 or 2 of each professional type available. I did this with one of my many restarts of the eastern roman empire... jesus I cant remember the name atm..... the place with constantinople, and found I could raise not manyprofessional troops, tried it again with no conversion over and i could make real armies again.

The Byzantine Empire.

Technically it's imcorrect.

If you spoke to an actual Byzantine, he'd say that the empire was called 'Empire of the Romans'. We only call it the Byzantine Empire to distinguish the two.


Sorry, the Historian in me came out for a second.....

Eastern Roman Empire, to be precise.