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...Wow, you all need to stop being such doomsayers. This is ridiculous.

So because Necrons get a week of release that is evidence that we'll get our Codex in two years?
I don't think GW really cares about the "Codex X needs it harder" and I don't think that is motivation to decide what to do next, otherwise our Codex would have been updated over a year ago.

How do you mean "the same position"?
Blood Angels are my favourite army and I have over 7000 points of them.
If it weren't for lucky deals where I could get 5000 points at a 30% price, my BA would be my biggest army.

My biggest issue is with all the doomsaying and the widespread panic.

 daddyorchips wrote:
the blood angels are really boring though. i'm not surprised that GW aren't that interested in them.

This is extremely subjective. Your opinion seems pretty stupid to me as you don't bother to put any arguments to support it and it's really just completely irrelevant...


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 th3maninblak wrote:

Kangodo wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
Seeing as how the editions have been made completely disregarding balance of the blood angels, it would make sense that the army get shelved entirely for the next several years. My guess is we have a year or two to go until we see an update.

Seriously?
"I'm not having my update now, so that means I'll have to wait another two years despite GW quickly updating everything in a ridiculously and never-before-seen tempo!"?
What the feth is wrong with people..

The evidence is there. Particularly since GW is updating newer codices that need it less before us. Im sure you wouldnt be complaining at all if you were in the same position, lol.

That would make sense if GW had any will to consider it's customers or to accept the horrible inbalance of this game. But because that is hardly so, expecting them to act logically/fairly to players is pretty optimistic...

Most of us aren't doomsaying gak. I'm just frustrated to the point of having given up on playing them since even when the new dex drops, it will be mediocre at best. The GW design team can suck me dry. Thats the only way they're getting me to drop money on the new book in 2027 or whenever it drops.

cyberjonesy wrote:
Did nt bother to read through the first replies but has anyone mailed a box of tissues to this guy already?
I feel so sad that blood angels are nt completely overpowered anymore. Cant wait for their vehicles to be reduced in price again so as to make them completely imbalanced in line with wave serpents. This is exactly what 40k needs right now.

Please bother to think before you post... The claim that updating a bottom-tire army will automatically make them OP is pretty ridiculous and I seriously can't say if you're trolling or just ignorant.

Its right in the dark eldar book:

BaalSNAFU wrote:
Most of us aren't doomsaying gak. I'm just frustrated to the point of having given up on playing them since even when the new dex drops, it will be mediocre at best. The GW design team can suck me dry. Thats the only way they're getting me to drop money on the new book in 2027 or whenever it drops.

Granted, literally ANY kind of update would be better than what we have now.

BaalSNAFU wrote:
Most of us aren't doomsaying gak. I'm just frustrated to the point of having given up on playing them since even when the new dex drops, it will be mediocre at best. The GW design team can suck me dry. Thats the only way they're getting me to drop money on the new book in 2027 or whenever it drops.

Even when?
Mediocre at best?
New book in 2027?
I hope you have a trustworthy source for all that doomsaying.

 th3maninblak wrote:

BaalSNAFU wrote:
Most of us aren't doomsaying gak. I'm just frustrated to the point of having given up on playing them since even when the new dex drops, it will be mediocre at best. The GW design team can suck me dry. Thats the only way they're getting me to drop money on the new book in 2027 or whenever it drops.

Granted, literally ANY kind of update would be better than what we have now.

No doubt. But even if we get a god tier dex that makes eldar cry, with pulitzer prize quality fluff, that wont be sufficient for me to forgive GW for making me wait almost 3 f*cking years before I could actually enjoy my $800 worth of BA stuff. I mean I had some good times when we still had out powers, but even that was an uphill battle because I was usually handicapped between 200-400 points per game.


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Kangodo wrote:

BaalSNAFU wrote:
Most of us aren't doomsaying gak. I'm just frustrated to the point of having given up on playing them since even when the new dex drops, it will be mediocre at best. The GW design team can suck me dry. Thats the only way they're getting me to drop money on the new book in 2027 or whenever it drops.

Even when?
Mediocre at best?
New book in 2027?
I hope you have a trustworthy source for all that doomsaying.

I was being a smart ass with the 2027 bit, but mediocre at best is in line with the 7th edition releases. A bunch of unnecessary nerfs, a few nifty buffs, across the board points drops, some meh to decent relics and possibly an utterly slowed new kit. No reason to expect they'd break the status quo to give BA a sweet dex (even if we really, really fething deserve one).

Eh, GW probably has their own method of updating codex's. Most likely has to do with where they see the most money, and which will be easiest/faster to put out models for.

Or, you know, they just pick them out of a hat, and the Blood Angels just got picked last.

 Guardsmen Bob wrote:
Eh, GW probably has their own method of updating codex's. Most likely has to do with where they see the most money, and which will be easiest/faster to put out models for.

Or, you know, they just pick them out of a hat, and the Blood Angels just got picked last.

What happens releasing necrons first: they become unhappy and disenchanted with the nerfs to their book, even if they are justified. The release generates little sales, and may lose a bit of the cron player base. The blood angels players are further alienated.

What happens releasing BA first: sales boost by updating a very popular book, that really needs ANY kind of update. Sales generated are about the same as the space wolves release, if not better. The necron players hold on to a positively recieved codex a little while longer.

BaalSNAFU wrote:
I was being a smart ass with the 2027 bit, but mediocre at best is in line with the 7th edition releases. A bunch of unnecessary nerfs, a few nifty buffs, across the board points drops, some meh to decent relics and possibly an utterly slowed new kit. No reason to expect they'd break the status quo to give BA a sweet dex (even if we really, really fething deserve one).

Status quo, slowed new kits, unnecessary nerfs?
At this point it seems more that you have some personal grief against GW than a well-thought expectation of what to expect.
That line could be used in a dictionary next to the definition of doomsaying.

Don't expect a top-tier codex, they learned their mistake with Eldar and Tau.
But it will surely be mid-tier, just like the last few new codices.

 th3maninblak wrote:
What happens releasing necrons first: they become unhappy and disenchanted with the nerfs to their book, even if they are justified. The release generates little sales, and may lose a bit of the cron player base. The blood angels players are further alienated.

What happens releasing BA first: sales boost by updating a very popular book, that really needs ANY kind of update. Sales generated are about the same as the space wolves release, if not better. The necron players hold on to a positively recieved codex a little while longer.

Positively received codex?
Yeah, sure, only if you are a tournament player that enjoys spamming the same three units over and over.
But for everyone that wants to field Immortals, Elites, Monoliths or Special Characters..
Don't make up things, many Necron-players are really looking forward to a reason to field the other 66% of their collection!

 troa wrote:
...Wow, you all need to stop being such doomsayers. This is ridiculous.

They're Blood Angels players, they have to pile on the angst about being immortal and fabulous and sparkling all the time.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

 troa wrote:
...Wow, you all need to stop being such doomsayers. This is ridiculous.

They're Blood Angels players, they have to pile on the angst about being immortal and fabulous and sparkling all the time.

Actually the Blood Angels know they are doomed and that they are going to die, but they embrace that fact and die enjoying the fight

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

 troa wrote:
...Wow, you all need to stop being such doomsayers. This is ridiculous.

They're Blood Angels players, they have to pile on the angst about being immortal and fabulous and sparkling all the time.

I thought that was the Dark Angels Job?

My three main armies are BA, Crons and CSM... I'm winning whichever order these three are coming out :-p!


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(Winning as in Charlie Sheen... not winning with BA - pah!)

Poly Ranger wrote:
My three main armies are BA, Crons and CSM... I'm winning whichever order these three are coming out :-p!


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(Winning as in Charlie Sheen... not winning with BA - pah!)

Exactly. The codex as it stands now is all but unplayable. We actually have several pages that are utterly meaningless. Necrons dont have that. I would love to actually enjoy my favorite army again, but thats not happening for the forseeable future, as it seems thats too much to ask at this point.

 th3maninblak wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:
My three main armies are BA, Crons and CSM... I'm winning whichever order these three are coming out :-p!


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(Winning as in Charlie Sheen... not winning with BA - pah!)

Exactly. The codex as it stands now is all but unplayable. We actually have several pages that are utterly meaningless. Necrons dont have that. I would love to actually enjoy my favorite army again, but thats not happening for the forseeable future, as it seems thats too much to ask at this point.

So what, every army his its ups and downs through the editions. You think the Necrons or Dark Eldar had strong codices before they're 5th edition update? Stop relying on rumors so much, we'll have our update eventually.

 Orblivion wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:
My three main armies are BA, Crons and CSM... I'm winning whichever order these three are coming out :-p!


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(Winning as in Charlie Sheen... not winning with BA - pah!)

Exactly. The codex as it stands now is all but unplayable. We actually have several pages that are utterly meaningless. Necrons dont have that. I would love to actually enjoy my favorite army again, but thats not happening for the forseeable future, as it seems thats too much to ask at this point.

So what, every army his its ups and downs through the editions. You think the Necrons or Dark Eldar had strong codices before they're 5th edition update? Stop relying on rumors so much, we'll have our update eventually.

Eventually for such a popular army that has been nerfed into the dust by edition changes isnt good enough.

 th3maninblak wrote:

 Orblivion wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:
My three main armies are BA, Crons and CSM... I'm winning whichever order these three are coming out :-p!


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(Winning as in Charlie Sheen... not winning with BA - pah!)

Exactly. The codex as it stands now is all but unplayable. We actually have several pages that are utterly meaningless. Necrons dont have that. I would love to actually enjoy my favorite army again, but thats not happening for the forseeable future, as it seems thats too much to ask at this point.

So what, every army his its ups and downs through the editions. You think the Necrons or Dark Eldar had strong codices before they're 5th edition update? Stop relying on rumors so much, we'll have our update eventually.

Eventually for such a popular army that has been nerfed into the dust by edition changes isnt good enough.

Oh come on. Our codex is 4 years old, and for 2 of those years it was a very strong army. Stop being so dramatic.

 th3maninblak wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
"Shelved Blood Angels"

Sir, let me show you Sisters of Battle... and over here, Exhibit B. B for Bretonnia.

The only thing shelved about Blood Angels is that one off army you have, say all Sanguinary Guard, which is guaranteed to be made invalid by the new book. And any character that doesn't have a model (though I think BA has them all?). You'll still probably see at least two units cut.

Lol my friend im saying that the BA are joining the ranks of sisters and bretonnians as the forgotten children of GW.

People have been saying that about Wood Elves as well. But then this past April...

Don't worry, you'll get your chance to give GW a $100 for the new bland codex, required supplement, and whatever stupid idea for a model they decided to attach wings to.

Be glad it isn't like back in 2007 when we got the WD codex after 9 years.Some players really lost their gak over that. The truth of the matter is regardless of which codex you choose you will most likely be behind the power curve for most of it's shelf life because GW doesn't improve rules, they only change them. If you stick with one army then there will short periods where you are strong and even longer periods where you suck. The next book will not be good because we are a close combat army in a shooting edition. That is not to say there won't be a power build in the book, but it will most likely be counter to the fluff.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

 troa wrote:
...Wow, you all need to stop being such doomsayers. This is ridiculous.

They're Blood Angels players, they have to pile on the angst about being immortal and fabulous and sparkling all the time.

Blood Angles Codex Supplement Twilight

 Crimson Devil wrote:
Don't worry, you'll get your chance to give GW a $100 for the new bland codex, required supplement, and whatever stupid idea for a model they decided to attach wings to.

Be glad it isn't like back in 2007 when we got the WD codex after 9 years.Some players really lost their gak over that. The truth of the matter is regardless of which codex you choose you will most likely be behind the power curve for most of it's shelf life because GW doesn't improve rules, they only change them. If you stick with one army then there will short periods where you are strong and even longer periods where you suck. The next book will not be good because we are a close combat army in a shooting edition. That is not to say there won't be a power build in the book, but it will most likely be counter to the fluff.

I remember when it was announced that the Blood Angels were getting their 5th edition codex and people were screaming about how unfair is was the Marines were getting another codex and that Dark Eldar were getting the shaft. Now it has reversed.

 adamsouza wrote:

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

 troa wrote:
...Wow, you all need to stop being such doomsayers. This is ridiculous.

They're Blood Angels players, they have to pile on the angst about being immortal and fabulous and sparkling all the time.

Blood Angles Codex Supplement Twilight

New special character, Chapter Master Cullen. He killed Dante and then became the new Chapter Master for some reason.

I don't think so. They have a lot of plastic crack for the Blood angels. They wouldn't be so stupid as to just ignore them.

what? because we aren't top priority, we are shelved? funny, because they finally updated eldar, the only soft cover books remaining are necrons and blood angels, give it time, and quit being impatient.

The only consistent "fact" about GW update cycles is the core Space Marine book will be updated for every edition, and they loosely follow a scheme where they update older books first, but it's by no means a certainty.

Did Guard need an update before Orks? Absolutely not, did the Space Wolves need an update before DE or BA? Nope, still happens.

They do what they want for whatever reason, BA hold the dubious distinction of being either the last or 2nd to last codex to be updated, and probably won't get a major revamp. I expect new plastic assault marines, and maybe one new unit, and then on to trying to right the sinking Fantasy ship.

doubtlessly with more of the stuff which is wrecking 40k.

Centurions with Blood Claws
Scouts with winged jump packs
a new sculpt of Lord Mephiston

 adamsouza wrote:

Centurions with Blood Claws
Scouts with winged jump packs
a new sculpt of Lord Mephiston

So you want to strap young Space Wolves to your arms?