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 carlos13th wrote:
I do agree with those saying that a hat like that and a bow dont really go well together. The hat would likley get in the way of the string.

Olympic Archer seems to disagree about hats affecting their aim.

(though admittedly it looks like having a face is the biggest drawback...)


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I am also entirely behind that model.

To me it is a rough and tumble loner, living off the land and in my mind he is a guy not-unlike this guy from a somewhat popular movie.



Edit: Gaaaah, spoiler tags don't fail me now.

With maybe a bit of Jon Voight from Deliverance mixed in.

I've seen dozens of people down here shoot compound bows with hats almost exactly like that. No, if you know what you're doing it doesn't get in the way at all. Although most do shoot after taking it off.

But seriously bow guy in a fictional universe? No way the fiction supports a fictional situation in which a fictional bada** uses a bow and arrow for a weapon. We should totally have that mini sculptor drawn and quartered, but then again that would require horses and those haven't been used by anyone since cars were invented just like bows were discontinued after the gun was made.

 Vain wrote:

 carlos13th wrote:
I do agree with those saying that a hat like that and a bow dont really go well together. The hat would likley get in the way of the string.

Olympic Archer seems to disagree about hats affecting their aim.

Fair enough. It got in the way when I tried archery in a cap. That said it was recurve.

 carlos13th wrote:

 Vain wrote:

 carlos13th wrote:
I do agree with those saying that a hat like that and a bow dont really go well together. The hat would likley get in the way of the string.

Olympic Archer seems to disagree about hats affecting their aim.

Fair enough. It got in the way when I tried archery in a cap. That said it was recurve.

It depends on the size of the bow and the draw really.

 Paradigm wrote:
Done

Spoiler:

In all seriousness, though, I really like the mini, hat and all. And I'm generally not a fan of Ariadna stuff.

Arrrgh, why couldn't this be in 32mm? It'd fit in nicely with my other miniatures, and is exactly the look I am going for. At 35mm it is just a little bit too big, even for CB's new scale sizes. Or is it? If it isn't much of a difference, I might grab the Knight model versions of Green Arrow instead. Either that or I might do a conversion of the existing Foxtrot miniature, and give him some bow arms and a quiver, he'll actually take less time to convert than this guy I am betting.

Edit: Just did a measurement of the Ariadna Scout Sniper and Tankhunter. Both are pretty much fully upright, and both are 35mm to the top of the head, so the Arrow miniature is not out of the question. The old foxtrot, by comparison, looks tiny. *sigh*, I wish they had of kept to 28mm...

Also completely agree with the need for CB to offer multiple poses. 2 of the same body type with just a few add-on's isn't great, especially for the price being paid per miniature. I know why it is being done - cheaper to only have to sculpt two bodies which means costs of spin-casting molds comes down because you only need one of each in the mold - but I'd really like them to offer more when it comes to their stuff.

 Fenriswulf wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Done

Spoiler:

In all seriousness, though, I really like the mini, hat and all. And I'm generally not a fan of Ariadna stuff.

Arrrgh, why couldn't this be in 32mm? It'd fit in nicely with my other miniatures, and is exactly the look I am going for. At 35mm it is just a little bit too big, even for CB's new scale sizes. Or is it? If it isn't much of a difference, I might grab the Knight model versions of Green Arrow instead. Either that or I might do a conversion of the existing Foxtrot miniature, and give him some bow arms and a quiver, he'll actually take less time to convert than this guy I am betting.

Edit: Just did a measurement of the Ariadna Scout Sniper and Tankhunter. Both are pretty much fully upright, and both are 35mm to the top of the head, so the Arrow miniature is not out of the question. The old foxtrot, by comparison, looks tiny. *sigh*, I wish they had of kept to 28mm...

Also completely agree with the need for CB to offer multiple poses. 2 of the same body type with just a few add-on's isn't great, especially for the price being paid per miniature. I know why it is being done - cheaper to only have to sculpt two bodies which means costs of spin-casting molds comes down because you only need one of each in the mold - but I'd really like them to offer more when it comes to their stuff.

Fenriswulf You Have Failed This Mini.

Wait, what? How?? Huh?

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Wait, what? How?? Huh?

It's a joke based from the show Arrow.

Ahhh ok I gave up on the series in the first season, and most of it has been erased since then.

On topic - USAriadna is supposed to be the ones who make the big future-harleys for Haqqislam's biker dudes. Aren't they a little ill-suited for all terrain negotiation? They look way too heavy and low for scouting or off-road recon. A trail bike look for the USAriadna dudes or the 4 wheeler would have been my idea, but there doesn't look like there will be a choice when the rest of the forces drop. Unfortunately.

On the other hand, if you ever watched the show 'Renegade', you will know that a long wheel based chopper is the ideal pursuit vehicle

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Ahhh ok I gave up on the series in the first season, and most of it has been erased since then.

On topic - USAriadna is supposed to be the ones who make the big future-harleys for Haqqislam's biker dudes. Aren't they a little ill-suited for all terrain negotiation? They look way too heavy and low for scouting or off-road recon. A trail bike look for the USAriadna dudes or the 4 wheeler would have been my idea, but there doesn't look like there will be a choice when the rest of the forces drop. Unfortunately.

All terrain bikes do look a little heavy, or to me anyway.


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Apparently they can float though under the right conditions.

Need some ATVs and Razors.

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Ahhh ok I gave up on the series in the first season, and most of it has been erased since then.

On topic - USAriadna is supposed to be the ones who make the big future-harleys for Haqqislam's biker dudes. Aren't they a little ill-suited for all terrain negotiation? They look way too heavy and low for scouting or off-road recon. A trail bike look for the USAriadna dudes or the 4 wheeler would have been my idea, but there doesn't look like there will be a choice when the rest of the forces drop. Unfortunately.

Motorcycles and not ATV are not that big thing, although I would agree that I hoped they'd go with them.

 Vain wrote:

 carlos13th wrote:
I do agree with those saying that a hat like that and a bow dont really go well together. The hat would likley get in the way of the string.

Olympic Archer seems to disagree about hats affecting their aim.

Spoiler:

and

(though admittedly it looks like having a face is the biggest drawback...

Olympic archer is posing for a publicity photo. Good luck finding one wearing a wide brimmed hat in competition. And I saw what you did there.

There were rumors about 2 years ago that USAriadna might get "quads" ( is ATVs) but I've seen nothing about that since. Also rumored were some form of archaic TAGs. Current rumor is that according to play testers, USAriadna sectorial as it was given to them is Overpowered. So, it is being adjusted.

 Knight wrote:

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Ahhh ok I gave up on the series in the first season, and most of it has been erased since then.

On topic - USAriadna is supposed to be the ones who make the big future-harleys for Haqqislam's biker dudes. Aren't they a little ill-suited for all terrain negotiation? They look way too heavy and low for scouting or off-road recon. A trail bike look for the USAriadna dudes or the 4 wheeler would have been my idea, but there doesn't look like there will be a choice when the rest of the forces drop. Unfortunately.

Motorcycles and not ATV are not that big thing, although I would agree that I hoped they'd go with them.

What we need is something as a tag replacement in USARIADNA. Like the Polaris ACE ATV. It's not much bigger than the mule and it could easily mount heavy weapons.

 Red Harvest wrote:

 Vain wrote:

 carlos13th wrote:
I do agree with those saying that a hat like that and a bow dont really go well together. The hat would likley get in the way of the string.

Olympic Archer seems to disagree about hats affecting their aim.

Spoiler:

and

(though admittedly it looks like having a face is the biggest drawback...

Olympic archer is posing for a publicity photo. Good luck finding one wearing a wide brimmed hat in competition. And I saw what you did there.

There were rumors about 2 years ago that USAriadna might get "quads" ( is ATVs) but I've seen nothing about that since. Also rumored were some form of archaic TAGs. Current rumor is that according to play testers, USAriadna sectorial as it was given to them is Overpowered. So, it is being adjusted.

Quads were WISHLISTING, not actual rumor. Same with archaic TAGs, exoskeletons, etc.

The only confirmed piece of information that we had regarding anything USAriadna was a unit called "Mavericks" riding "choppers".

Whislisting or not Ariadna in general needs something to give it that visual footprint in a collection or on a table.

As it stands it's a really hard sell when it's competing with anime mechs, bikers, and scorpion tanks.

Sure we have werewolves, but I've never seen someone pick those over a robot or tank.

You are absolutely right, but I am concerned that in the seeking of something like that, what we'd end up with is something hackneyed and cliched as an attempt at bringing something like that to life.

Also, for descendants which were supposed to be majority Black and Hispanic, the Hardcase looks very "Good 'Ol Boy" to me. It must be the hat...

Whislisting or not Ariadna in general needs something to give it that visual footprint in a collection or on a table.

I shall ask one simple question. Why?The (false) appeal of Ariadna has been an image of a underdog, they don't have higher end of technology or even the production capabilities of other factions, hence they are forced to relay on the basics and whatever opportunity comes along the way.

So you're saying they don't have any sort of tractor or ATV or anything at all, ever?

All I know is a new player will more than likely jump at the force that has the big shiny missile pod PanO model long before they pick the one with jackets and shotguns and absolutely no big anything. It's more of a matter of making Ariadna appealing while not going overboard and honestly ATVs or (IDK) missile Tractors(?) would be pretty neat and big eye catchers.

I think Ariadna are fine... Their appeal is their (relative) realism, and the Antipodes/Dog Warrior stuff is awesome. They were the first faction I really liked. I don't think they're any less popular than the other factions. Not everyone wants big robots.

Mr.Church13 wrote:
So you're saying they don't have any sort of tractor or ATV or anything at all, ever?

All I know is a new player will more than likely jump at the force that has the big shiny missile pod PanO model long before they pick the one with jackets and shotguns and absolutely no big anything. It's more of a matter of making Ariadna appealing while not going overboard and honestly ATVs or (IDK) missile Tractors(?) would be pretty neat and big eye catchers.

I stated that Ariadna is limited in production and their industrial knowledge. In case of a buggies, ATV and motorcycles, these are products that any post colonization society should be capable to produce, provided they didn't regress on the technological scale. Unfortunately this also means others should have it too, that is not to say their customization and designing logic wouldn't differ from faction to faction. USAriadna would of course come with more liberty and freedom.

The rule of cool is subjective and I'm rather amazed how many people believe a faction should be defined by the "centre piece" models. Personally find it a distraction and often a mechanical trap (PanO TAG/HI) in actual play.

So wait, the other guys get Aliens with Chain rifles, TAGs, up-armored infantry and Ariadna gets Crocodile Dundee with a bow? Somehow, I fail to be amused.

The factions actually seem pretty balanced in popularity. This poll on the official forums showed the following responses. Numbers are how many people said that they played a given faction:
Pan-O - 97
Nomads - 92
Haqqislam - 73
ALEPH - 60
Tohaa - 60
Yu Jing - 59
Combined Army - 59
Ariadna - 57

So from this (admittedly not very profound) data, Ariadna may be bottom of the pile, but only just. I think that the top two are thanks to having O:I, while Haqq has had loads of really nice models lately which will have attracted players, not to mention the wild popularity of Qapu Khalqi in late N2.

Mr.Church13 wrote:
All I know is a new player will more than likely jump at the force that has the big shiny missile pod PanO model long before they pick the one with jackets and shotguns and absolutely no big anything. It's more of a matter of making Ariadna appealing while not going overboard

First of all in my experience most players jump on Ariadna because it's rough, rugged and raw and because it does NOT contain fancy robot thingies. Ariadna is tough and back to the roots, an image that appeals to many players. So I'd expect it to be quite smart to cater to all tastes and not make everything the same with a different touch. A certain manufacturer comes to mind, who in recent years gave every single faction a big, nonsensical, badly designed, essentially identical monster/tank just to sell at least one expensive piece of crap to every single player.

and honestly ATVs or (IDK) missile Tractors(?) would be pretty neat and big eye catchers.

Erm...

Kinda fits the bill in my books. Very distinctive, huge footprint, missiles and all...

This is getting very "Red Dawn"...

Americans creating a settlement named "Mount Zion"
I wonder if CB is willing to go there.

 Baiyuan wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
All I know is a new player will more than likely jump at the force that has the big shiny missile pod PanO model long before they pick the one with jackets and shotguns and absolutely no big anything. It's more of a matter of making Ariadna appealing while not going overboard

First of all in my experience most players jump on Ariadna because it's rough, rugged and raw and because it does NOT contain fancy robot thingies. Ariadna is tough and back to the roots, an image that appeals to many players. So I'd expect it to be quite smart to cater to all tastes and not make everything the same with a different touch. A certain manufacturer comes to mind, who in recent years gave every single faction a big, nonsensical, badly designed, essentially identical monster/tank just to sell at least one expensive piece of crap to every single player.

and honestly ATVs or (IDK) missile Tractors(?) would be pretty neat and big eye catchers.

Erm...

Spoiler:

Kinda fits the bill in my books. Very distinctive, huge footprint, missiles and all...

Don't get me wrong the mule is cool, but put it up against the cutter or the iguana and it's barely noticeable.

And I actually have faith in CB to be able to give a force some centerpiece flair without decimating their game to sell something big. I mean tags do a great job without land sliding games.

I definitely like the low tech style of Ariadna, and I think the wulvers etc. really add a nice rough and rugged look. Lots of Infinity is a little too super future and clean for my tastes, but Ariadna and Haq add a nice gritty feel that is easier to sympathize with for me. I don't know that big robots would help the Ariadna aesthetic at all, and something more practical would be a lot better I think.

 Absolutionis wrote:
Americans creating a settlement named "Mount Zion"
I wonder if CB is willing to go there.

The reference is not new. It's also in the concept book.