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Have to say I was overall underwhelmed by the BoW Infinity week. Nothing really new to show us except the USAriadna box.
Hopefully they'll have a slew of new goodies waiting for us at GenCon.

Maybe CB will throw us a curve ball and bring out Equinox as a new faction or sectorial. There was a lot of mention of them in the rule book, so you never know. I'll keep the dream alive though and keep hoping that we'll see Exrah revived as samurai styled bug men with guns. I'd love to see them redone as something along these lines.

Who knows? That kind of bio-soldier/alien idea and aesthetic has a strong presence in Manga & Anime (which as we know in turn strongly influences some of the Infinity designers).

Arguably there are already elements of stuff like the Guyver with the Tohaa (with the symbiote, bio suits) but maybe it might take on even more with stuff like Genocyber and return of the Exrah one day? For now, we will have to miss out on the under-priced super-jumping bugs hopping around the board firing an HMG.

If the Exrah were redesigned to be similar to Aura Battler Dubine from the pictures above, I would have another faction! It's bad enough I have 5 forces already...with a 6 being USAriadna soon.

 -Loki- wrote:


Black Hand was possibly going to be rolled into Tunguska for the same reason.

Why stil cound happen like that, I wouldn't bet on it. The writer love Nomads and really wants to make the Black Hand it's own sectional as the concept it one of the first even for RPG game Infinity staerted as.

Noir wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:


Black Hand was possibly going to be rolled into Tunguska for the same reason.

Why stil cound happen like that, I wouldn't bet on it. The writer love Nomads and really wants to make the Black Hand it's own sectional as the concept it one of the first even for RPG game Infinity staerted as.

Since we're expecting 2 new sectorials for each of the original factions, and then one for Aleph and Tohaa each, they'll figure out how to shoehorn in 2 Nomad Sectorials. They're too popular not to.

Not saying they absolutely will be, just tha tthe last we heard of the Black Hand sectorial was they were having issues filling them out as a full sectorial and were considering rolling them into Tunguska.

But that was over a year ago, so by now maybe they've come up with enough units to fill it out.

We've seen, with USAriadna, how many units they feel are required for a new sectorial army, so they must really be struggling if they're considering a rollback.

Mr.Church13 wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
I was watching this earlier, and around the 20 minute mark they start talking about Angel's book (and Volume 2 which is coming out later this year). If I'm not mistaken, Carlos said Angel sold 50,000 copies of Volume 1?!

It was a pretty decent book if you're into majority Airbrushing. Honestly I was disappointed being a primitive brush jockey, but the fantastic Joan of Arc helped ease the pain and eventually a guy more into airbrushing than me bought the book.

All in all it was a pretty interesting read and I can definitely see why it sold well.

My biggest issue was that there was very little in the way of technique explanation in.the book. It was.mostly apply this colour the. A mix of this and that colour while not.really explaining how. Which was a shame for me I expected more from it abd was left disappointed. I think someone who is already a very good painter might get more out of it



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Mr.Church13 wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
TBH I think the airbrush is the way forward for the basics, it will not necessarily save you time, but it will make the base much more smooth.

You young guns can keep your new fangled airbrushes. Us old fogies can still whip up a pretty smooth coat with our cave man tools.

Looks great. How many layers were required?

 carlos13th wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
I was watching this earlier, and around the 20 minute mark they start talking about Angel's book (and Volume 2 which is coming out later this year). If I'm not mistaken, Carlos said Angel sold 50,000 copies of Volume 1?!

It was a pretty decent book if you're into majority Airbrushing. Honestly I was disappointed being a primitive brush jockey, but the fantastic Joan of Arc helped ease the pain and eventually a guy more into airbrushing than me bought the book.

All in all it was a pretty interesting read and I can definitely see why it sold well.

My biggest issue was that there was very little in the way of technique explanation in.the book. It was.mostly apply this colour the. A mix of this and that colour while not.really explaining how. Which was a shame for me I expected more from it abd was left disappointed. I think someone who is already a very good painter might get more out of it

Yeah, I wish it could have been just a tad more detailed, but I still think it's useful seeing step-by-steps. It gives you some idea of how he ends up with the finished mini, before you could have just told me "magic" and I'd believe you.

In any case I'm interested in Volume 2, it's entirely possible he might have seen some of those criticisms of the book and made improvements.

And 15,000 copies is still impressive if you ask me.

@carlos.

Just 3. Two base, wash, then layer. For the blue and red. It was less for the metallics and Browns as they lay down better.

With respect, that is a far cry from the studios paintjob

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
With respect, that is a far cry from the studios paintjob

No kidding. I may never win a golden deamon, but I still do some pretty serviceable work and then again I have a hobby not a job.

Not to mention the lack of space and mass of equipment for airbrushing.

Hey guys, we have a Community Showcase thread here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/507122.page and a whole sub-forum for P&M blogs, as Mr. Church13 knows.

I look forward to more updates to your P&M blog Mr. Church13. It looks as if you've been a bit of a slacker of late

 Micky wrote:
We've seen, with USAriadna, how many units they feel are required for a new sectorial army, so they must really be struggling if they're considering a rollback.

If you note in the BoW video Bostria mentioned something about that. There is an internal debate at CB about how many new sectorials etc to add. Bostria is rumored to favor a smaller number than some of the others. The thing seems as yet unsettled.

Alright I'll calm down. Been slacking on Infinity stuff badly I'll admit.

Back on topic. I'd much prefer the idea of a smaller number of more streamlined sectorials.

I agree. A smaller number of broader sectorals would keep the range from getting too large and unwieldy. We don't need a list and accompanying model range for every major military formation from every nation in the setting.

 Micky wrote:
We've seen, with USAriadna, how many units they feel are required for a new sectorial army, so they must really be struggling if they're considering a rollback.

An issue with "The Black Hand" is that, fluffwise, they're an organization which draws its forces from the more "elite" forces for each of the three Nomad ships and Corvus Belli has been adamant about not "repeating" units too much within different Sectorials.

Black Hand would, as an example, necessitate Bakunin's Reverend Moiras as the "primary fighting members" with Intruders, Zeros, and Spektrs playing a part as well. Those are just what we know about.

Black Hand sounds like it'd just be vanilla Nomads, then. Maybe with some higher AVAs.

 Barzam wrote:
Black Hand sounds like it'd just be vanilla Nomads, then. Maybe with some higher AVAs.

Not really.

Take the elite units and only the elite units. It's the complete opposite of vanilla--barring the fact you wouldn't have Link Teams because damn near everything would have some form of camo...

 Barzam wrote:
Maybe CB will throw us a curve ball and bring out Equinox as a new faction or sectorial. There was a lot of mention of them in the rule book, so you never know. I'll keep the dream alive though and keep hoping that we'll see Exrah revived as samurai styled bug men with guns. I'd love to see them redone as something along these lines.

WTF are those from?

They're from Aura Battler Dunbine.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
Maybe CB will throw us a curve ball and bring out Equinox as a new faction or sectorial. There was a lot of mention of them in the rule book, so you never know. I'll keep the dream alive though and keep hoping that we'll see Exrah revived as samurai styled bug men with guns. I'd love to see them redone as something along these lines.

WTF are those from?

While those are bloody awesome, they don't fit with where Infinity has gone. CB has clearly clamped down on the more fantastical elements. While Tohaa have their engineered critters, they're more like quirky little Pokemon on the same level as Tinbots and FastPandas instead of giant insectoid TAGs.
Exrah will probably become the Squats of Infinity, only getting brief mention in the fluff.
I wouldn't be shocked if they made an appearance in the RPG; a nod to veteran players.

Exrah seem more like Zoats. They overstepped their bounds and got squashed and assimilated further into the hive mind.

However, with insectoid-looking things continuing in the Combined Army with Slug-Doctor, Hungry Hormagaunts, and Squid-Drones, maybe we'll see Exrah models enhanced to strip them of independence.

They may be only mostly non-combatants, but that hasn't stopped the Tohaa from getting Beyonce as a model.

Bootleg Exrah pilot or starship captain with in-game rules like the O-12 VIP then? If it meant they gave Exrah more than just a quick mention in the fluff, I'd be happy with that.

I wouldn't call the Exrah fantastical. They're not that bizarre or outlandish of a concept.

An Exrah civvie would be a good way to launch a mini-redesign of the range.

 Absolutionis wrote:
Exrah seem more like Zoats. They overstepped their bounds and got squashed and assimilated further into the hive mind.

However, with insectoid-looking things continuing in the Combined Army with Slug-Doctor, Hungry Hormagaunts, and Squid-Drones, maybe we'll see Exrah models enhanced to strip them of independence.

That would be a fun reversal with the Sygmaa to go along with the reverse armour mirror they have to symbiont armour. Tohaa 'enhance' others to be more intelligent, have Sygmaa 'enhance' units to be less intelligent. Have Exrah combat units be slave units to the Sygmaa.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 solkan wrote:
The Combined Army has two plausible reasonable sectorials lined up for it: The El sectorial, and the occupied Tohaa territories sectorial.

The Exrah coming back would require overcoming the problems that got them removed:
* Inconsistent designs between unpopular models.
* Problematic profiles.
* Problematic rules interactions (A TAG with Airborne Deployment that puts down an AOE when it lands, in an edition where AOE's generate AROs. How's that supposed to work? )

Hoping for the Exrah to come back is like hoping for Firefly to come back. You can't fault someone for hoping, but it ain't likely.

They aren't really issues now though are they because they could just start again. New models means there's no inconsistent designs and there'd be all new profiles. I agree we probably won't see them but those are very much non issues if they brought them back because they'd have a clean slate.

As one of the people with a decent Exrah model collection, squatting the Concordat Exrah, waiting two years, and then bringing out a different Exrah range would have probably anger a lot of veteran Combined Army players. So if the people at CB are working on aliens, they're probably looking at their options as:
* Work on the Tohaa concepts, those are safe and seem to be popular.
* Work on one of the Combined Army races (except the Exrah) because they're pretty popular and doing well.
* Dump gasoline on themselves, light a match, and work on the Exrah in a room filled with candles and sawdust.

And we haven't been hearing reports of CB ordering a whole bunch of asbestos suits.

Well as long as it had rules for the Exrah models they made before, that's still not an issue. You could still use those models. The rules might be a bit different, but you could still use them. And then it's just like if you have an old model that gets resculpted, you can still use the old one, or buy the new one.

Yup' new models rules apply to the old ugly models. Easy peasy.

No one loses and CB makes a beautiful line of brand new profit without the fire.

I'll just leave this here:
http://www.miniaturemarket.com/cvb280667-0516.html

Kind of torn, I mean I *do* have a shasvastii force so I kind of have a CA army...