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Ahtman wrote: Many Americans carry firearms each day, and they are loaded (or they would be somewhat useless), that doesn't mean they plan on killing anyone by any stretch of the imagination.
Once again, a bad comparison. People carry firearms to protect themselves and family. These people were out to victimize a family, and kill if it suited their purpose. When people with conceal carry have to shoot someone, I don't believe it's a standard practice to loot the bodies, either.
"Although police said the motive for the slayings was robbery, the Browns took only a chain saw and some guns."
This was quoted from the article you posted in the thread. Please, read your own posts before making false and sensationalist claims. Their bodies were not looted. Unless they were packing heat for an eventual Zombie Apocalypse.
If you think someone with a conceal carry that uses it in the street to defend themselves is going to the house of the person they shot to loot it, then that's your delusion. I used the looting of the bodies analogy because I thought it would be understood.
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curran12 wrote: Frankly, it sounds more like you're interested in rage and revenge than justice. As Ahtman has put it, you have some deep seeded need for their suffering, which is a little out of place.
I think people like that have forfeited their place in society.
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No, you used the 'loot the bodies' analogy to cause people to side with you. You could have been very clear on the topic, since the details are very important in this. But instead you decided to cloud them. But that is alright, we are here for you! We can help you!
So, they clearly went to the house to rob it. (Which I think is the part you seem to be getting confused by) During the robbery, they were surprised by the family returned home. John Brown shoots and kills the man, then chases down and shoots the woman. Leaves the bodies out in the open for everyone to discover, which later leads to his arrest.
Obviously he was thinking clearly on this night, as shown by all of the decisions he made. 40 years was probably enough time to realize what he had done and come to terms with it.
Relapse wrote: When people with conceal carry have to shoot someone, I don't believe it's a standard practice to loot the bodies, either.
Speaking as a conceal carry holder and a former mmog enthusiast, if I have to shoot someone I definitely feel I have the right to loot the corpse of any rares I might find in addition to gold and xp.
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Dreadwinter wrote: No, you used the 'loot the bodies' analogy to cause people to side with you. You could have been very clear on the topic, since the details are very important in this. But instead you decided to cloud them. But that is alright, we are here for you! We can help you!
So, they clearly went to the house to rob it. (Which I think is the part you seem to be getting confused by) During the robbery, they were surprised by the family returned home. John Brown shoots and kills the man, then chases down and shoots the woman. Leaves the bodies out in the open for everyone to discover, which later leads to his arrest.
Obviously he was thinking clearly on this night, as shown by all of the decisions he made. 40 years was probably enough time to realize what he had done and come to terms with it.
I know what I was thinking when I used the analogy, but you appeared to not understand, so I explained in more detail. They went to the house to rob it, yes, but they were also prepared to kill, as was evidenced by the two bodies. He chased down Stringbeans wife and shot her in the back of the head as she was on her knees begging for mercy. Charming fellow.
Relapse wrote: When people with conceal carry have to shoot someone, I don't believe it's a standard practice to loot the bodies, either.
Speaking as a conceal carry holder and a former mmog enthusiast, if I have to shoot someone I definitely feel I have the right to loot the corpse of any rares I might find in addition to gold and xp.
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There was no loot taken because the motivation was to rob the couple of this "legendary" stash of cash that they had.....which proved to be true, when, years later, they found loads of $$ stashed in the walls.
Dreadwinter wrote: No, you used the 'loot the bodies' analogy to cause people to side with you. You could have been very clear on the topic, since the details are very important in this. But instead you decided to cloud them. But that is alright, we are here for you! We can help you!
So, they clearly went to the house to rob it. (Which I think is the part you seem to be getting confused by) During the robbery, they were surprised by the family returned home. John Brown shoots and kills the man, then chases down and shoots the woman. Leaves the bodies out in the open for everyone to discover, which later leads to his arrest.
Obviously he was thinking clearly on this night, as shown by all of the decisions he made. 40 years was probably enough time to realize what he had done and come to terms with it.
I know what I was thinking when I used the analogy, but you appeared to not understand, so I explained in more detail. They went to the house to rob it, yes, but they were also prepared to kill, as was evidenced by the two bodies. He chased down Stringbeans wife and shot her in the back of the head as she was on her knees begging for mercy. Charming fellow.
TheMeanDM wrote: There was no loot taken because the motivation was to rob the couple of this "legendary" stash of cash that they had.....which proved to be true, when, years later, they found loads of $$ stashed in the walls.
According to the article, items were taken, hence the term looting.
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Dread said that they didn't loot the bodies....I was referencing that comment, sorry.
Yes, I know they took a chainsaw (they must have needed to do some tree removal) and some guns (for hunting, I'm sure!).
Unless you're a complete psychopath or your actual intent is murder, most criminals do not go armed with the intent to kill someone.
They carry the guns for intimidation purposes....it's only when they perceive that things go wrong that they panic and people get shot.
Look at the reasons people in "open carry" states or cities...they flash their hardware around as a statement...as an intimidating deterrent to criminals. Their intent (unless they're homicidal psychopaths) is to avoid hurting someone by intimidating criminals into avoiding them to begin with.
Dreadwinter wrote: So, was that an eyewitness account or did he admit to doing that? I am a little hazy on these details at the moment.
It seems there was an admission.
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TheMeanDM wrote: Dread said that they didn't loot the bodies....I was referencing that comment, sorry.
Yes, I know they took a chainsaw (they must have needed to do some tree removal) and some guns (for hunting, I'm sure!).
Unless you're a complete psychopath or your actual intent is murder, most criminals do not go armed with the intent to kill someone.
They carry the guns for intimidation purposes....it's only when they perceive that things go wrong that they panic and people get shot.
Look at the reasons people in "open carry" states or cities...they flash their hardware around as a statement...as an intimidating deterrent to criminals. Their intent (unless they're homicidal psychopaths) is to avoid hurting someone by intimidating criminals into avoiding them to begin with.
At least, that's how I have always viewed it.
They willingly put themselves into that situation, though. If the idea was intimidation, why not go with an empty gun and factor out the possibility of murder?
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Yeah, I don't see this in a court record, just what the article said without even a quotation. This is what the author of the article has said, little else unless we see something that proves it.
Why do open carry people go with loaded weapons?
Why do concealed carry people go with loaded weapons?
Why do police carry loaded weapons?
Why do soldiers carry loaded weapons?
By your argument, anybody that carries a loaded weapon has the primary intent of killing another human being.
A hunter goes with a loaded weapon because his intent is to kill something.
I don't view robbers and soldiers and police and carrying citizens as having the primary intent to kill someone.
TheMeanDM wrote: Why do open carry people go with loaded weapons?
Why do concealed carry people go with loaded weapons?
Why do police carry loaded weapons?
Why do soldiers carry loaded weapons?
By your argument, anybody that carries a loaded weapon has the primary intent of killing another human being.
A hunter goes with a loaded weapon because his intent is to kill something.
I don't view robbers and soldiers and police and carrying citizens as having the primary intent to kill someone.
Anyone that carries a loaded weapon does so in order to be able to kill.
TheMeanDM wrote: Why do open carry people go with loaded weapons?
Why do concealed carry people go with loaded weapons?
Why do police carry loaded weapons?
Why do soldiers carry loaded weapons?
By your argument, anybody that carries a loaded weapon has the primary intent of killing another human being.
A hunter goes with a loaded weapon because his intent is to kill something.
I don't view robbers and soldiers and police and carrying citizens as having the primary intent to kill someone.
Anyone that carries a loaded weapon does so in order to be able to kill.
1) intimidation
2) self defense (which may or may not result in death)
TheMeanDM wrote: Why do open carry people go with loaded weapons?
Why do concealed carry people go with loaded weapons?
Why do police carry loaded weapons?
Why do soldiers carry loaded weapons?
By your argument, anybody that carries a loaded weapon has the primary intent of killing another human being.
A hunter goes with a loaded weapon because his intent is to kill something.
I don't view robbers and soldiers and police and carrying citizens as having the primary intent to kill someone.
Anyone that carries a loaded weapon does so in order to be able to kill.
TheMeanDM wrote: Why do open carry people go with loaded weapons?
Why do concealed carry people go with loaded weapons?
Why do police carry loaded weapons?
Why do soldiers carry loaded weapons?
By your argument, anybody that carries a loaded weapon has the primary intent of killing another human being.
A hunter goes with a loaded weapon because his intent is to kill something.
I don't view robbers and soldiers and police and carrying citizens as having the primary intent to kill someone.
Anyone that carries a loaded weapon does so in order to be able to kill.
Holy crap that is a frightening statement.
Yes it is.
2014/10/20 20:45:46
Subject: Re:Murderer released after 40 years in jail
TheMeanDM wrote: Why do open carry people go with loaded weapons?
Why do concealed carry people go with loaded weapons?
Why do police carry loaded weapons?
Why do soldiers carry loaded weapons?
By your argument, anybody that carries a loaded weapon has the primary intent of killing another human being.
A hunter goes with a loaded weapon because his intent is to kill something.
I don't view robbers and soldiers and police and carrying citizens as having the primary intent to kill someone.
Anyone that carries a loaded weapon does so in order to be able to kill.
But that isn't the primary motivator, again you seem to want to have this guy locked up for all eternity rather than believe the Jail system actually reformed a person
In my opinion he committed a terrible crime but has served 40 years in an institution and passed a psych evaluation and a direct quote from the article "I can't undo anything to change my past. I've committed the last 40 years to changing my life," he said." He should be allowed the chance to show he is a reformed man and be allowed a few years of freedom before he finally dies (unless he re-offends, in which case he should be punished as is appropriate for the crime)
Currently debating whether to study for my exams or paint some Deathwing
TheMeanDM wrote: Why do open carry people go with loaded weapons?
Why do concealed carry people go with loaded weapons?
Why do police carry loaded weapons?
Why do soldiers carry loaded weapons?
By your argument, anybody that carries a loaded weapon has the primary intent of killing another human being.
A hunter goes with a loaded weapon because his intent is to kill something.
I don't view robbers and soldiers and police and carrying citizens as having the primary intent to kill someone.
Anyone that carries a loaded weapon does so in order to be able to kill.
Holy crap that is a frightening statement.
Yes it is.
Well, I think it is frightening because by your definition, anybody out there with a gun has it for the sole reason of killing. You fail to take in to account that you can be shot anywhere non-fatal on purpose.
curran12 wrote: Yeah, I don't see this in a court record, just what the article said without even a quotation. This is what the author of the article has said, little else unless we see something that proves it.
I imagine it came out in the trial or them bragging about the crime before they were caught.
2014/10/20 20:51:29
Subject: Re:Murderer released after 40 years in jail
TheMeanDM wrote: Why do open carry people go with loaded weapons?
Why do concealed carry people go with loaded weapons?
Why do police carry loaded weapons?
Why do soldiers carry loaded weapons?
By your argument, anybody that carries a loaded weapon has the primary intent of killing another human being.
A hunter goes with a loaded weapon because his intent is to kill something.
I don't view robbers and soldiers and police and carrying citizens as having the primary intent to kill someone.
Anyone that carries a loaded weapon does so in order to be able to kill.
Holy crap that is a frightening statement.
Yes it is.
Well, I think it is frightening because by your definition, anybody out there with a gun has it for the sole reason of killing. You fail to take in to account that you can be shot anywhere non-fatal on purpose.
Have you never taken a gun course? From your reply I guess not.
TheMeanDM wrote: Why do open carry people go with loaded weapons?
Why do concealed carry people go with loaded weapons?
Why do police carry loaded weapons?
Why do soldiers carry loaded weapons?
By your argument, anybody that carries a loaded weapon has the primary intent of killing another human being.
A hunter goes with a loaded weapon because his intent is to kill something.
I don't view robbers and soldiers and police and carrying citizens as having the primary intent to kill someone.
Anyone that carries a loaded weapon does so in order to be able to kill.
Holy crap that is a frightening statement.
Yes it is.
Well, I think it is frightening because by your definition, anybody out there with a gun has it for the sole reason of killing. You fail to take in to account that you can be shot anywhere non-fatal on purpose.
Have you never taken a gun course? From your reply I guess not.
I have! It is required in my state for hunting and gun ownership! What part of the Gun Course are you referencing?
Quote-a-mid!
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curran12 wrote: Yeah, I don't see this in a court record, just what the article said without even a quotation. This is what the author of the article has said, little else unless we see something that proves it.
I imagine it came out in the trial or them bragging about the crime before they were caught.
...are you serious?
Is this utter speculation to rationalize -your- bloodlust, or do you have a source?
TheMeanDM wrote: Why do open carry people go with loaded weapons?
Why do concealed carry people go with loaded weapons?
Why do police carry loaded weapons?
Why do soldiers carry loaded weapons?
By your argument, anybody that carries a loaded weapon has the primary intent of killing another human being.
A hunter goes with a loaded weapon because his intent is to kill something.
I don't view robbers and soldiers and police and carrying citizens as having the primary intent to kill someone.
Anyone that carries a loaded weapon does so in order to be able to kill.
Holy crap that is a frightening statement.
Yes it is.
Well, I think it is frightening because by your definition, anybody out there with a gun has it for the sole reason of killing. You fail to take in to account that you can be shot anywhere non-fatal on purpose.
Have you never taken a gun course? From your reply I guess not.
I have! It is required in my state for hunting and gun ownership! What part of the Gun Course are you referencing?
