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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/24 15:13:23
Subject: Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Nutjob brinks hatchet to a gunfight. Crazily, NYPD only shoots one bystander this time.
http://news.yahoo.com/man-islamic-extremist-leanings-attacks-ny-police-083342808.html
Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
. . ..Washington (AFP) - The man who attacked New York City police officers with a hatchet before being shot dead was reported to have Islamic "extremist leanings" police and a monitoring group said.
The man, identified in the US media as Zale Thompson, had posted an array of statements on YouTube and Facebook that "display a hyper-racial focus in both religious and historical contexts, and ultimately hint at his extremist leanings," the SITE monitoring group said.
Four rookie police officers in the city's Queens borough were posing for a photograph at the request of a freelance photographer when the man walked up and without saying a word attacked them with the hatchet, a city hall statement said.
One officer was hit in the arm and another in the head before the other officers shot and killed the attacker, according to police commissioner Bill Bratton.
A 29-year-old bystander was accidentally hit by a bullet in the lower back and taken to a hospital, while the man who took the photograph was cooperating with police and was not considered a suspect, Bratton said.
The officer with the head injury was in critical but stable condition in the hospital.
..View gallery Four police officers in the city's Queens borough were posing for a photographs when they were a …
- Motive unknown-
SITE, which monitors radical Muslim groups, said that in a comment Thompson had posted to a pro-Islamic State video on September 13, 2014, he described "jihad as a justifiable response to the oppression of the 'Zionists and the Crusaders.'"
But Bratton said that police were investigating the motive for the attack and that it was too early to determine whether it was terror-related.
"There is nothing we know of at this time that would indicate that were the case," he said.
"I think certainly the heightened concern is relative to that type of assault, based on what just happened in Canada and recent events in Israel -- certainly one of the things that first comes to mind -- but that's what the investigation will attempt to determine," Bratton said.
He was referring to what Israeli police have described as a "hit-and-run terror attack" on Wednesday, when a Palestinian driver killed a baby after he rammed his vehicle into a group of pedestrians in Jerusalem.
In Canada, two young Canadians with Islamic leanings staged separate deadly attacks this week.
One ran his car over two soldiers in a parking lot in Quebec, killing one, before being shot dead by police on Monday. Two days later another shot an unarmed soldier at an Ottawa war memorial before storming into parliament where he was gunned down.
The authorities have said that both attackers were extremists tempted by war in Syria, but have found neither any connection between them nor evidence of a wider plot.
Canada has never before been hit by Islamist violence, but it has been threatened in militant broadcasts over its role in the US-led air armada striking the Islamic State jihadists in Iraq.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/24 15:19:22
Subject: Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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Frazzled wrote:Nutjob brinks hatchet to a gunfight. Crazily, NYPD only shoots one bystander this time.
This pretty much summed up all I wanted to know from the article. Surely this shows a new level of restraint for the NYPD.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/24 15:22:56
Subject: Re:Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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When the NYPD (or any US police department) hits a bystander, the department is not held accountable, correct?
Who pays for the bystander's medical treatment in situations like this?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/24 15:34:10
Subject: Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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The authorities have said that both attackers were extremists tempted by war in Syria, but have found neither any connection between them nor evidence of a wider plot.
This is, sadly, a strength of Islamic extremism. There needs not be a wider plot. The propaganda that groups like ISIS produce enables the disenfranchised to self motivate and carry out small attacks independent of a direct order from a leader.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/24 16:50:47
Subject: Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Dreadwinter wrote: Frazzled wrote:Nutjob brinks hatchet to a gunfight. Crazily, NYPD only shoots one bystander this time.
This pretty much summed up all I wanted to know from the article. Surely this shows a new level of restraint for the NYPD.
Strangely yes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/24 17:27:27
Subject: Re:Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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DarkTraveler777 wrote:When the NYPD (or any US police department) hits a bystander, the department is not held accountable, correct?
Who pays for the bystander's medical treatment in situations like this?
The Affordable Care Act?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/24 17:27:45
Subject: Re:Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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DarkTraveler777 wrote:When the NYPD (or any US police department) hits a bystander, the department is not held accountable, correct?
Who pays for the bystander's medical treatment in situations like this?
Here in Oklahoma, if the police shoots and kills a bystander the criminal would be charged with the murder.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/24 17:32:00
Subject: Re:Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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d-usa wrote: DarkTraveler777 wrote:When the NYPD (or any US police department) hits a bystander, the department is not held accountable, correct?
Who pays for the bystander's medical treatment in situations like this?
Here in Oklahoma, if the police shoots and kills a bystander the criminal would be charged with the murder.
Thats common law and stare decisis - absent other factors of course.
As to who pays medical bills. I'd bet good money its on the poor innocent bystander.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/24 17:48:24
Subject: Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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Only one bystander was shot? NYPD's marksmanship is improving.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/24 19:02:31
Subject: Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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I think in a scenario like this luck has more to do with it than marksmanship. Who knows, it might have even been a shot going straight through the attacker and hitting the bystander.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/24/us-usa-newyork-hatchet-idUSKCN0IC2RG20141024 - apparently the four officers involved all graduated on 8th July from the police academy - harsh introduction to the job that. Hope all the injured parties recover fully.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/24 19:18:15
Subject: Re:Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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Frazzled wrote:
As to who pays medical bills. I'd bet good money its on the poor innocent bystander.
Ugh. That was what I feared. If that is the case, how is that even approaching reasonable? I suppose the bystander could try suing the criminal but jeezy chreezy, that seems like a bad way to handle situations when law enforcement aerate an innocent.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/24 19:40:36
Subject: Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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Any ideas on why the hell he'd use a hatchet? Too poor to afford a real weapon? Too crazy?
My mum was saying because he wanted to behead people because he was a Muslim extremist, but I'm not so sure that's the answer.
I'm leaning towards the crazy angle.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/24 19:42:32
Subject: Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Andilus Greatsword wrote:Any ideas on why the hell he'd use a hatchet? Too poor to afford a real weapon? Too crazy?
My mum was saying because he wanted to behead people because he was a Muslim extremist, but I'm not so sure that's the answer.
I'm leaning towards the crazy angle.
Daddy Frazzled would have called him "crazier than a  house rat."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/24 21:31:55
Subject: Re:Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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DarkTraveler777 wrote:When the NYPD (or any US police department) hits a bystander, the department is not held accountable, correct?
Who pays for the bystander's medical treatment in situations like this?
The answer probably won't surprise you.
Lets just say, it's just a little bit of American Exceptionalism.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/24 23:08:55
Subject: Re:Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/24 23:14:15
Subject: Re:Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/25 02:46:27
Subject: Re:Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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The Conquerer
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DarkTraveler777 wrote: Frazzled wrote:
As to who pays medical bills. I'd bet good money its on the poor innocent bystander.
Ugh. That was what I feared. If that is the case, how is that even approaching reasonable? I suppose the bystander could try suing the criminal but jeezy chreezy, that seems like a bad way to handle situations when law enforcement aerate an innocent.
Well making the police responsible for the medical bills of people accidentally hit can lead down some very bad rabbit holes.
In the case of a "through-and-through" where its completely not the officers fault(or if the bystander happened to be behind the target) it basically screws the officer over for doing his job, and the threat of a possible lawsuit could make him not take a shot when he could take down his target.
Ultimately, the perpetrator should be who is held responsible.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/25 03:07:07
Subject: Re:Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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Grey Templar wrote:
Well making the police responsible for the medical bills of people accidentally hit can lead down some very bad rabbit holes.
In the case of a "through-and-through" where its completely not the officers fault(or if the bystander happened to be behind the target) it basically screws the officer over for doing his job, and the threat of a possible lawsuit could make him not take a shot when he could take down his target.
Ultimately, the perpetrator should be who is held responsible.
Sure, I understand that the cop shouldn't be held responsible, but how about the department/city/state? Why couldn't the department/city/state cover the medical costs and then seek restitution from the perp. Why make it the responsibility of the innocent victim?
It just seems ridiculous that our society allows for its citizens to be shot by law enforcement agents while doing nothing to compensate those victims for the recovery or loss of ability/life.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/25 03:19:24
Subject: Re:Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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Grey Templar wrote:Well making the police responsible for the medical bills of people accidentally hit can lead down some very bad rabbit holes.
No, it really doesn't. The police are the force of the state personified. If they shoot a bystander:
If the police officer was justified in shooting, then the state should pay for the costs of the innocent bystander and try to recoup the costs from the perpetrator (who also should be charged with the shooting)
If the police officer was not justified in shooting, then the state should pay for the costs of the innocent bystander and fire and prosecute the officer, and try to recoup costs.
It might make the police more careful when they shoot? Hey, they already should be. Generally speaking when a police officer shoots someone and they hit an innocent bystander, they should no longer be a police officer, full stop. Why do we tolerate what is at best incompetence and at worst criminal negligence?
When the NYPD blasted that guy waving a 1911 in a crowd and they shot 9 bystanders trying to hit him, they literally wounded more people than if they had just let the guy empty his magazine into the crowd, and then ran over and tased him when he was empty, FFS.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/25 03:37:12
Subject: Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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TIL I would be in more danger from the cops accidentally shooting me than a criminal shooting me. Good to know -_-
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/25 03:58:48
Subject: Re:Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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It varies wildly. While police officers in general are famously bad shots, there are a select few departments in particular that are willing to couple that lack of skill with a lack of restraint that leads to so many, many tragedies.
I do not understand the... abdication of responsibility some people are willing to bestow on a city that is responsible for every aspect of a police officers firearm training, and yet considers qualified officers who probably couldn't even shoot accurately enough to get a civilian CCW in some of the stricter states.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/25 06:27:45
Subject: Re:Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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Ouze wrote:It varies wildly. While police officers in general are famously bad shots, there are a select few departments in particular that are willing to couple that lack of skill with a lack of restraint that leads to so many, many tragedies.
I do not understand the... abdication of responsibility some people are willing to bestow on a city that is responsible for every aspect of a police officers firearm training, and yet considers qualified officers who probably couldn't even shoot accurately enough to get a civilian CCW in some of the stricter states.
Reading that blog post made me want to vomit.
That said, it's not particularly surprising that so many NYPD officers have never fired a pistol until the police academy, seeing as how NYPD officers have to live in one of the five boroughs and New York is so incredibly anti-gun. You reap what you sow, I guess.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/25 11:46:51
Subject: Re:Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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Grey Templar wrote:
In the case of a "through-and-through" where its completely not the officers fault(or if the bystander happened to be behind the target) it basically screws the officer over for doing his job, and the threat of a possible lawsuit could make him not take a shot when he could take down his target.
Why should an officer be firing a round capable of a "through-and-through" in the course of general policing? Or even policing in a crowded area?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/25 15:59:23
Subject: Re:Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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dogma wrote: Grey Templar wrote:
In the case of a "through-and-through" where its completely not the officers fault(or if the bystander happened to be behind the target) it basically screws the officer over for doing his job, and the threat of a possible lawsuit could make him not take a shot when he could take down his target.
Why should an officer be firing a round capable of a "through-and-through" in the course of general policing? Or even policing in a crowded area?
Any round is capable of a through-and-through. Hollow point are less likely, but people seem to object to them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/25 17:55:38
Subject: Re:Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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Grey Templar wrote:
Any round is capable of a through-and-through. Hollow point are less likely, but people seem to object to them.
That's obviously false. A .22 Short isn't going to pass through anyone's body with enough force to significantly injure the person behind.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/25 18:19:37
Subject: Re:Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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This Is Where the Fish Lives
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dogma wrote: Grey Templar wrote:
Any round is capable of a through-and-through. Hollow point are less likely, but people seem to object to them.
That's obviously false. A .22 Short isn't going to pass through anyone's body with enough force to significantly injure the person behind.
So police officers should only be permitted to carry firearms chambered in .22 Short?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/25 18:22:58
Subject: Re:Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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Other round and firearm combinations are available.
Also, tasers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/25 18:23:38
Subject: Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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A .22 can definitely still pass through a persons body. Its less likely to do so with killing force, only because it has little killing force to begin with, but its still possible. And its definitely still capable of causing serious injury.
.22 are not a good choice for trying to bring someone down. Its unlikely to stop the target immediately, and thats what you want. Even 9mm have questionable stopping power, especially if the target is hopped up on adrenaline or something more powerful.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/25 18:30:00
Subject: Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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Grey Templar wrote:A .22 can definitely still pass through a persons body. Its less likely to do so with killing force, only because it has little killing force to begin with, but its still possible. And its definitely still capable of causing serious injury.
A .22 LR sure, but not a .22 Short.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/25 18:33:27
Subject: Re:Man with 'Islamic extremist leanings' attacks NY police.
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This Is Where the Fish Lives
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dogma wrote:
Other round and firearm combinations are available.
Then by all means, enlighten us.
Also, tasers.
Lots of departments have Tasers, but a Taser is not a replacement for a firearm considering the maximum range of one is 35 feet.
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