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 Hordini wrote:


And sorry you can't carry a longsword in Ireland. Come to the US! If you like weapons we can fix you right up.

One thing i like about America. I could even have a tank if i wanted to

Master P has a gold plated Sheridan in his place I believe

 Daemonhammer wrote:

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Daemonhammer wrote:
Personally i hate the way religions always get special treatment.

It isn't special treatment, it's called "rights."

Oh but it is special treatment. Because if they are not allowed to do what their religion tells them to do they will cry racism and start suing people. And probably win too.
Yet if someone wanted to have a knife for self defense they would be able to in a similar situation, even though "self defense" is by far more a valid reason to have a weapon with you than because some special book says so.

Yeah... No.

Look kid, I can clearly see you're all angsty about religion and how it's unfair that you can't pretend to be the King of Poland and walk around with a sword on your hip, but it'll all be okay... One day you'll figure out the difference between religious liberty and playing dress up.

I wonder if they can get away with chakram bracelets?

 Ouze wrote:
Also, so far every single facebook post I have seen on this has conflated Sikhs with Muslims, which is equal parts amusing and depressing.

I did it once. Not everyone immediately knows the difference.

Allow it on the condition that the blade is rubber?

Or, if it absolutely has to be a metal blade, demand that it be blunt and fused with the scabbard with copious amounts of superglue.

Look kid, I can clearly see you're all angsty about religion and how it's unfair that you can't pretend to be the King of Poland and walk around with a sword on your hip, but it'll all be okay... One day you'll figure out the difference between religious liberty and playing dress up.

I hope you do relaise that the part about me not being able to carry a sword around was a joke?

Your attempt at insulting me was unnecessary. And you kinda went off topic here.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wonder if they can get away with chakram bracelets?

 Ouze wrote:
Also, so far every single facebook post I have seen on this has conflated Sikhs with Muslims, which is equal parts amusing and depressing.

I did it once. Not everyone immediately knows the difference.

There is at least one VERY noticeable difference...

When was the last time that anyone can remember the News reporting on a terror attack by Sikh extremists? I sure as hell can't remember.

Islam on the other hand...I read, hear or see stories about Islamic extremism on a weekly basis.

 Daemonhammer wrote:

Look kid, I can clearly see you're all angsty about religion and how it's unfair that you can't pretend to be the King of Poland and walk around with a sword on your hip, but it'll all be okay... One day you'll figure out the difference between religious liberty and playing dress up.

I hope you do relaise that the part about me not being able to carry a sword around was a joke?

Your attempt at insulting me was unnecessary. And you kinda went off topic here.

Ah, the classic fallback of claiming something was a joke when people point how dumb if was.

Points for trying.

 Daemonhammer wrote:

 Hordini wrote:


And sorry you can't carry a longsword in Ireland. Come to the US! If you like weapons we can fix you right up.

One thing i like about America. I could even have a tank if i wanted to

If you have the money to pay for it, sure! You'd have a hard time getting ammunition for the main gun though, and would need a Federal Firearms License if you wanted to put fully automatic machine guns on it (and boatload of money for each additional MG).

But a tank without weapons is definitely doable.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
Ah, the classic fallback of claiming something was a joke when people point how dumb if was.

Points for trying.

So what you are trying to tell me when i was talking about how it sucks how i cant carry a real sword around with me in public i was being serious?


Okay.

 Daemonhammer wrote:


So what you are trying to tell me when i was talking about how it sucks how i cant carry a real sword around with me in public i was being serious?

Show where you said otherwise or gave any indication that was to be taken in jest before I told you that you don't understand what rights in my country are.

I'll wait.

Okay.

Okay indeed, my friend.

 Daemonhammer wrote:

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 Daemonhammer wrote:
Personally i hate the way religions always get special treatment.

It isn't special treatment, it's called "rights."

Oh but it is special treatment. Because if they are not allowed to do what their religion tells them to do they will cry racism and start suing people. And probably win too.
Yet if someone wanted to have a knife for self defense they would be able to in a similar situation, even though "self defense" is by far more a valid reason to have a weapon with you than because some special book says so.

Some special book didn't say so though... you are clearly pretty ignorant on the subject of Sikhism.

 Jihadin wrote:
Zero Tolerance is Zero Tolerance

Because some how some way some idiot going to try to pull that knife out. Either the owner, friend, or idiot.

sikh knives are allowed here... bread knives for spreading your jam are a no no... but they dont even check/ask them to be non drawable, but hey... just because its the law that no one has knives in school, doesnt mean the law applies to religions.

But Its not like government forces other religions to comply with laws in violation of their religious traditions right?

As long as nobody is negativity effected, I see no problem in him having the dagger. And they could use a dagger blade you get in a prop dagger, just in case.

Honestly though, zero tolerance pretty stupid. I too AP 3D art and design in 11th grade at my high school, and I got in trouble for having a utility knife on me, when it was given to me by my art teacher, in class. Watching her rail on administration for that was one of the more entertaining things I have seen. I got out of it, so it wasn't so bad, very annoying though.

Year 1850: Kids chop wood at school with axes, are taught to use muskets, and learn common sense.

Year 2014: There are people in this country who want to ban pocket knives from school, and also have the nerve to call themselves men.

Normally I'm against the pushing of "diversity" in school (i.e. this Sikh religion) because this is often translates to "let's promote things that aren't Christianity because BOOOOOO white people religion", but I have to side with the Sikh kid on this. The fact that there are people afraid of pocket knives just goes to show how effective the government/police state/liberalization/leftists/whatever you want this boogeyman to be has turned the population into a frightened lamb hiding in a bubble of "safety". It's baffling, really.

If you think kids taking pocket knives to school presents a significant danger to them, considering the millions of legitimate dangers that kids endure at school and in daily life since society's inception, I invite you to reevaluate your priorities.

 ZultanQ wrote:
Year 1850: Kids chop wood at school with axes, are taught to use muskets, and learn common sense.

Year 2014: There are people in this country who want to ban pocket knives from school, and also have the nerve to call themselves men.

Normally I'm against the pushing of "diversity" in school (i.e. this Sikh religion) because this is often translates to "let's promote things that aren't Christianity because BOOOOOO white people religion", but I have to side with the Sikh kid on this. The fact that there are people afraid of pocket knives just goes to show how effective the government/police state/liberalization/leftists/whatever you want this boogeyman to be has turned the population into a frightened lamb hiding in a bubble of "safety". It's baffling, really.

If you think kids taking pocket knives to school presents a significant danger to them, considering the millions of legitimate dangers that kids endure at school and in daily life since society's inception, I invite you to reevaluate your priorities.

How is allowing a Sikh kid to practice his religion "pushing diversity" in school?

 Hordini wrote:

 ZultanQ wrote:
Year 1850: Kids chop wood at school with axes, are taught to use muskets, and learn common sense.

Year 2014: There are people in this country who want to ban pocket knives from school, and also have the nerve to call themselves men.

Normally I'm against the pushing of "diversity" in school (i.e. this Sikh religion) because this is often translates to "let's promote things that aren't Christianity because BOOOOOO white people religion", but I have to side with the Sikh kid on this. The fact that there are people afraid of pocket knives just goes to show how effective the government/police state/liberalization/leftists/whatever you want this boogeyman to be has turned the population into a frightened lamb hiding in a bubble of "safety". It's baffling, really.

If you think kids taking pocket knives to school presents a significant danger to them, considering the millions of legitimate dangers that kids endure at school and in daily life since society's inception, I invite you to reevaluate your priorities.

How is allowing a Sikh kid to practice his religion "pushing diversity" in school?

Because this would be a non-issue if religious freedom in the west was actually respected. When Christians attempt exercise religious freedom at public schools they are ridiculed, while a California school recently had "let's all dress up like Muslims day".

And before anybody says it (again), I'm not a Christian, or financially privileged, or whatever straw man you already cooked up in your head about me.

Australia is annoying because drugs are everywhere but weapons are freaking impossible to get unless you make your own. which I have. and will. I'm not sure if it counts as a weapon, but I take a screwdriver to school everyday.
honestly, as long as some random kid, say an over-zealous christain or some other variant of religious belief, were to take the knife out and stab the poor kid, it's as simple as stitching the sheaf up. so to undo it some kid would need to bring a knife to school, in which case they've already got a knife and therefor have no need of the religiously important knife other than some form of religion related torment. there's also the fact that the parents contacted the school first, rather than just hoping no one would notice.

 ZultanQ wrote:


Because this would be a non-issue if religious freedom in the west was actually respected. When Christians attempt exercise religious freedom at public schools they are ridiculed, while a California school recently had "let's all dress up like Muslims day".

And before anybody says it (again), I'm not a Christian, or financially privileged, or whatever straw man you already cooked up in your head about me.

How are Christians ridiculed for exercising their religious freedom in school? They are allowed to exercise their religious freedom just like anyone else.

 Hordini wrote:

 ZultanQ wrote:


Because this would be a non-issue if religious freedom in the west was actually respected. When Christians attempt exercise religious freedom at public schools they are ridiculed, while a California school recently had "let's all dress up like Muslims day".

And before anybody says it (again), I'm not a Christian, or financially privileged, or whatever straw man you already cooked up in your head about me.

How are Christians ridiculed for exercising their religious freedom in school? They are allowed to exercise their religious freedom just like anyone else.

I suppose I could write an entire treatise on the current state of American religious liberties (spoiler: they're being banned at state and federal levels in many controversies as of late) but I'd just as soon point you to Google. Some keywords you may find helpful: "school prayer" "Houston sermon controversy" "supreme court school".

I guess my dilemma is that I post in off-topic threads that aren't related to wargames, but I don't want to spend hours purveying basic knowledge to others. Maybe it's my fault for browsing this section of the site. My apologies if this seems abrasive but if honesty is my biggest fault here then I'm okay with that.

 ZultanQ wrote:

 Hordini wrote:

 ZultanQ wrote:
Year 1850: Kids chop wood at school with axes, are taught to use muskets, and learn common sense.

Year 2014: There are people in this country who want to ban pocket knives from school, and also have the nerve to call themselves men.

Normally I'm against the pushing of "diversity" in school (i.e. this Sikh religion) because this is often translates to "let's promote things that aren't Christianity because BOOOOOO white people religion", but I have to side with the Sikh kid on this. The fact that there are people afraid of pocket knives just goes to show how effective the government/police state/liberalization/leftists/whatever you want this boogeyman to be has turned the population into a frightened lamb hiding in a bubble of "safety". It's baffling, really.

If you think kids taking pocket knives to school presents a significant danger to them, considering the millions of legitimate dangers that kids endure at school and in daily life since society's inception, I invite you to reevaluate your priorities.

How is allowing a Sikh kid to practice his religion "pushing diversity" in school?

Because this would be a non-issue if religious freedom in the west was actually respected. When Christians attempt exercise religious freedom at public schools they are ridiculed, while a California school recently had "let's all dress up like Muslims day".

And before anybody says it (again), I'm not a Christian, or financially privileged, or whatever straw man you already cooked up in your head about me.

Christian individuals are not stopped from practicing at school. Public entites, such as pubic schools, are not allowed, as the separation of church ans state. I assume that is what you are talking about.

 ZultanQ wrote:

 Hordini wrote:

 ZultanQ wrote:


Because this would be a non-issue if religious freedom in the west was actually respected. When Christians attempt exercise religious freedom at public schools they are ridiculed, while a California school recently had "let's all dress up like Muslims day".

And before anybody says it (again), I'm not a Christian, or financially privileged, or whatever straw man you already cooked up in your head about me.

How are Christians ridiculed for exercising their religious freedom in school? They are allowed to exercise their religious freedom just like anyone else.

I suppose I could write an entire treatise on the current state of American religious liberties (spoiler: they're being banned at state and federal levels in many controversies as of late) but I'd just as soon point you to Google. Some keywords you may find helpful: "school prayer" "Houston sermon controversy" "supreme court school".

I guess my dilemma is that I post in off-topic threads that aren't related to wargames, but I don't want to spend hours purveying basic knowledge to others. Maybe it's my fault for browsing this section of the site. My apologies if this seems abrasive but if honesty is my biggest fault here then I'm okay with that.

As someone who has worked in public schools, there is nothing prohibiting individual students from praying while at school.

 Hordini wrote:

 ZultanQ wrote:

 Hordini wrote:

 ZultanQ wrote:


Because this would be a non-issue if religious freedom in the west was actually respected. When Christians attempt exercise religious freedom at public schools they are ridiculed, while a California school recently had "let's all dress up like Muslims day".

And before anybody says it (again), I'm not a Christian, or financially privileged, or whatever straw man you already cooked up in your head about me.

How are Christians ridiculed for exercising their religious freedom in school? They are allowed to exercise their religious freedom just like anyone else.

I suppose I could write an entire treatise on the current state of American religious liberties (spoiler: they're being banned at state and federal levels in many controversies as of late) but I'd just as soon point you to Google. Some keywords you may find helpful: "school prayer" "Houston sermon controversy" "supreme court school".

I guess my dilemma is that I post in off-topic threads that aren't related to wargames, but I don't want to spend hours purveying basic knowledge to others. Maybe it's my fault for browsing this section of the site. My apologies if this seems abrasive but if honesty is my biggest fault here then I'm okay with that.

As someone who has worked in public schools, there is nothing prohibiting individual students from praying while at school.

As someone who can read, listen, and see (not saying that you can't, I'm just saying that anecdotes are pointless here,) there are most certainly public schools in this country where prayer is effectively banned. Again, I'm not going to bother providing links to common knowledge, but instead suggest that your own claims should be informed, because arguing about this besides the point of the thread.

Should a kid carry a dagger to class? I don't see why not, modern kirpans aren't giant machetes. I'd say that the emasculation of children is a much larger threat. I wouldn't want to be a kid raised to be afraid of pocket knives.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
There is at least one VERY noticeable difference...

When was the last time that anyone can remember the News reporting on a terror attack by Sikh extremists? I sure as hell can't remember.

Islam on the other hand...I read, hear or see stories about Islamic extremism on a weekly basis.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalistan_movement

Politics and religion go hand in hand when you have areas with a high religious population. Violence and activity go through cycles. The relatively small number of Sikhs and their general concentration mean that they do not come into conflict with the west too much. Unlike Islam which is a much larger group with multiple states and factions coming into contact with many other states and factions, many of whom own land stuffed full of oil...

 ZultanQ wrote:
there are most certainly public schools in this country where prayer is effectively banned. Again, I'm not going to bother providing links to common knowledge, but instead suggest that your own claims should be informed, because arguing about this besides the point of the thread

"I'm going to make an argument, get called on it, and then refused to defend it, pointing you to google instead to make my argument for me"

 Ouze wrote:

 ZultanQ wrote:
there are most certainly public schools in this country where prayer is effectively banned. Again, I'm not going to bother providing links to common knowledge, but instead suggest that your own claims should be informed, because arguing about this besides the point of the thread

"I'm going to make an argument, get called on it, and then refused to defend it, pointing you to google instead to make my argument for me"

I should just let this go and stop posting but the bait is too delicious. Basically, it's like I'm in a kindergarten classroom arguing about melting polar ice caps, then some kid yells BUT SANTA LIVES THERE AND HE WON'T ALLOW IT. Everybody knows that Santa does not exist, but now I have stop and argue about Santa because I'm talking to a bunch of kids.

If you are going to deny that prayer is frowned upon in many American public schools and has been effectively banned in more liberal areas, then you are ignorant of an entire wave of current events and worse, you are stubbornly defending your ignorance. I shouldn't have to explain myself on this. Why do the people on the internet do this? What could you possibly gain?

If anybody would like to weigh in on my actual contribution to the thread's real topic, though, I'm all ears.

So to summarize

 ZultanQ wrote:

I should just let this go and stop posting but the bait is too delicious. Basically, it's like I'm in a kindergarten classroom arguing about melting polar ice caps, then some kid yells BUT SANTA LIVES THERE AND HE WON'T ALLOW IT. Everybody knows that Santa does not exist, but now I have stop and argue about Santa because I'm talking to a bunch of kids.

Except the argument would be you talking about the melting ice caps, somebody asking if you have any proof that the ice caps are melting, and then you yelling WHAT ARE YOU STUPID AND BELIEVE IN SANTA and then refusing to actually post any evidence backing up your position.

If you are going to deny that prayer is frowned upon in many American public schools and has been effectively banned in more liberal areas,

Moving the goal post already from "prayer banned" to "prayer is frowned upon"?

then you are ignorant of an entire wave of current events and worse, you are stubbornly defending your ignorance.

Some name calling.

I shouldn't have to explain myself on this.

You shouldn't actually have to back up anything you claim to be the truth?

Why do the people on the internet do this? What could you possibly gain?

We could gain a real discussion based on facts.

If anybody would like to weigh in on my actual contribution to the thread's real topic, though, I'm all ears.

Make an actual fact based contribution instead of a random statement and we'll get right on it.


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Edited to add:

It is my personal experience that anytime I have heard somebody going on and on about prayer or Christianity being banned in school it turns out that what is actually happening was that a public school organized or school led prayer or religious observance was not allowed and that people are simply unable to recognize that "no, the teacher is not allowed to stand in front of the class to lead a prayer" or "no, the school cannot broadcast a communal prayer over the intercom system before a football game" does not mean that students cannot personally pray in school or read the Bible.

 Hordini wrote:

They say there are plenty of Sikhs, both students and staff, who have carried Kirpans to school for years without incident.

I have zero problem with this.

If it's been done for years without incident I fail to see the issue.

Wait guys, wait! I've got the solution.
We should arm all kids with knives, so that they can defend themselves against the religious kids that carry knives when neccessary. Of course, those kids also need to be able to defend themselves from the government (i.e. school) so that is one more reason to give them weapons. In fact, we should not just give them knifes, we should give them guns!

Knives schmives!

Chakrams! It's all about the chakrams!