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Silly Mantic included bases in their products. Don't they know that they could just send people to the hardware store to buy some sheet plastic and cut some bases out of that?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Alex C wrote:

Battlezones can easily be made out of foamboard and cardboard, no way they'll be a big seller, right?

Oh, wait...

That's a stupid comparison. Buying battlezones saves you a lot of time and effort compared to scratch building, buying Mantic pipes will have a lot less payoff. Apart from probably nicely connecting to battlezone panels at end points, there won't be any additional functionality. Given that resources are limited, I'd rather have something with a better development cost vs hobby value added ratio.

I have no time and/or desire to go buy PVC pipe and cut it down and glue on crap in an effort to make it look like NOT pvc pipe which 100% of all other terrain I've seen that uses pvc pipe looks like crappy pvc pipe. I will buy the gak out of pipes that don't look like crappy pvc pipe.
So, Mantic could release battlezones with pipes and the free market will decide. You will not buy them, I will buy more than enough to cover you.

Very nice Evil & Chaos - now if you can just convince them to do a 1.5"x1.5" square panel and/or 1.5"x1.5" X frame I'd be set

For me personally it comes down to time versus money, I have little hobby time (or inclination) to spend scratch building but I have the funds to buy a kit that doesn't require a huge amount of work or time on my part sure I can buy hardware store pipe or sheets of mdf, insulating foam but just give me the finished version in a box and I'll pay the extra for that instead. Each to their own though perhaps the pipes will be a separate kit/sprue and the gubbins will be their own sprue an accessory frame 2 as it were.

Yeah, I'm fine with pipes in the new terrain. Not everyone wants to scratch build.

The problem I have is that I still haven't assembled 80% of my Deadzone terrain (I did get like a dozen or more sets). Scratch building PVC pipe is laughable because I still haven't had time to assemble terrain which only requires a minimal amount of effort.

 judgedoug wrote:
The problem I have is that I still haven't assembled 80% of my Deadzone terrain (I did get like a dozen or more sets). Scratch building PVC pipe is laughable because I still haven't had time to assemble terrain which only requires a minimal amount of effort.

Just send it over to me. I'll assemble it for you and maybe send it back.

 pretre wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
The problem I have is that I still haven't assembled 80% of my Deadzone terrain (I did get like a dozen or more sets). Scratch building PVC pipe is laughable because I still haven't had time to assemble terrain which only requires a minimal amount of effort.

Just send it over to me. I'll assemble it for you and maybe send it back.

I hope to take a week off in January and "catch up" on my hobby stuff - if I can't get it assembled even then I may sell some of it just because it takes up SO much room.

As much as I enjoyed scratch building when I was into model railways many years ago, give me something that just needs glue and paint!

 judgedoug wrote:
The problem I have is that I still haven't assembled 80% of my Deadzone terrain (I did get like a dozen or more sets). Scratch building PVC pipe is laughable because I still haven't had time to assemble terrain which only requires a minimal amount of effort.

Not to mention PVC pipe does not scale well with the terrain we have, whether it be Deadzone or GW terrain. I actually sell PVC pipe for a living (and all sorts of plumbing stuff) and even the smallest stuff just doesn't scale right. Especially the fittings ( 90's, tees etc.) which are just too big to scale with 28mm figures / terrain. I've tried many times. I'm glad Mantic is coming out with accessories for their own terrain. Just makes sense, really.

Yeah. I'm not going to the hardware store unless it's to actually do something productive around the house, otherwise the wife might start getting ideas about what I should actually be doing with my free time.

Give me my cheap restic sci fi pipes any day of the week.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:

Give me my cheap restic sci fi pipes any day of the week.

BITE YOUR TONGUE!!!

Give us cheap HARD PLASTIC sci fi pipes!

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I have no idea where people find PVC pipes thin enough to use for plumbing, like the small Mantic ones in the pic. I've been to 3 different hardware stores looking for PVC pipes and the thinnest ones are just thin enough to be used as sewer pipes, but that's it. ive seen drinking straws used as thin pipes, but that's fiddly at best. Also, PVC pipes don't have any rivets, valves, solder lines etc, and need work to look good.

 Alex C wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Alex C wrote:

Battlezones can easily be made out of foamboard and cardboard, no way they'll be a big seller, right?

Oh, wait...

That's a stupid comparison. Buying battlezones saves you a lot of time and effort compared to scratch building, buying Mantic pipes will have a lot less payoff. Apart from probably nicely connecting to battlezone panels at end points, there won't be any additional functionality. Given that resources are limited, I'd rather have something with a better development cost vs hobby value added ratio.

Perhaps the pipes will have a lot of functionality with the battlezone kits and higher levels of detail than a bit of pipe from the hardware store will.

The comparison is no more stupid than instantly dismissing something as a waste of time and resources just because a similar thing exists somewhere else.

You've got to realize they are selling a "sci fi industrial terrain set". A prominent feature of sci fi industrial terrain is massive fething pipes. If they DON'T have massive fething pipes in there, and say "here's everything but the massive fething pipes, which you need to go and buy at the hardware store", then that is a terrible marketing move.

Edit : Looking at the pipes more, there's all kinds of detail on there. You gonna add that to your hardware store pipes? Your job lot of conduit is to the Mantic pipes is as foamboard is to Battlezone tiles...

As someone who's used both straws and PVC pipes as well as pre-textured pipes (Pegasus Chemical plant kit) in terrain making I can attest that there is a great advantage to a reasonably priced plastic pipe kit that has texture (bands, rivets, etc) on it already. When building a good sized construction, it takes quite a bit of work to not only cut, but add the detailing to bring them to the same level of detail. Not that it can't be done, but plastic kit pieces are just so much easier to work with and save lot of time. If they are on a metric that combines well with the mantic terrain pieces, that's makes it an even better product.

If I'm going to use PVC, it's going to be for a large construction like an oil pipleline where the scale of the construction draws the eye away from the lack of finer detail. You see this alot in GW studio layouts and it looks quite good, but for a smaller construction or emplacement I'd definitely consider using the mantic pipes.

This is the thinnest PVC pipe I've been able to find:

That looks suspiciously like that part that came off my car the other day...

Please tell me you aren't looting my car for scenery Mymearan!

Terrain is always a balancing act between time and money.

Some people just don't have the time, or know how, to make good looking terrain.



There is also no point in re-inventing the wheel.



Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery



I made these way BEFORE Deadzone shipped, and the actual tiles were still months away from even being produced.



I would have shown pictures of my official Deadzone terrain, but it's still sitting in the box unassembled

 adamsouza wrote:
I would have shown pictures of my official Deadzone terrain, but it's still sitting in the box unassembled

DIBS!

DBX started shipping this morning theres a video on facebook of all the packed boxes so far waiting for collection by Royal Mail. Wave 1 appears to be the same for everyone boxed game plus one or 2 bits so hopefully mispacks at a minimum.

Sweet

So when does the KS start for Deadzone: Emergence? and Dreadball 2/warpaths?

Just after the KS for Kings of Hazzard: the Brutal Game of Fantasy Stunt Driving. Looking forward to the Kurt Russel/ Death Proof homage mini.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Just after the KS for Kings of Hazzard: the Brutal Game of Fantasy Stunt Driving. Looking forward to the Kurt Russel/ Death Proof homage mini.

Don't forget the Death Race/ David Carradine mini as well!

Actually, your game sounds kind interesting... especially if it was done with a bit of cheesy 70s exploitation movie flair...

Let me know when the Kickstarter campaign starts!

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Just after the KS for Kings of Hazzard: the Brutal Game of Fantasy Stunt Driving. Looking forward to the Kurt Russel/ Death Proof homage mini.

Sounds more like CMON than Mantic.

Triszin wrote:
So when does the KS start for Deadzone: Emergence? and Dreadball 2/warpaths?

If I was to hazard a guess, I would say March for Deadzone: Infestation, June for what I guess is another Dreadball project? And then October for Warpath. That fits their previous pattern, and I can't see them wanting to run a project as large as Warpath any closer to Xmas than that.

I thought I'd seen somewhere that DZ2 was January. Or was that just speculation?

Also, where was Dreadball mentioned? I must have missed that.

On BoW Ronnie was talking about 2015 being the year of Dreadball. Not sure if that means the middle project is another Dreadball one or not, so just a guess.

The KoW pledge manager is going to be open until January. I would have thought February at the earliest, especially if they need the extra lead time to get Veermyn and Asterian hard plastics in hand before hitting the go button on Warpath.

3 KS per year is what they seem to be planning for with Deadzone: Infestation starting in January (in the slot that KoW was supposed to take) and Warpath closer to the year end. Not sure what the third will be I don't think it's more Dreadball though there was a year and a half between the 2 Dreadball KS. DBX has to get it's retail releases in 2015 it's the only project ready to go to retail as both KoW and DS won't be ready until mid year at earliest, there's a little bit of Deadzone left to release and some Mars Attacks bits too. Not sure there's even much let to add to Dreadball to justify another KS does the game need another 12 teams for 37 in total

I wonder what that mid year project is going to be then? They don't have another license lined up, gotta be home grown.

I still think they won't put DZ:I up as early as January though, despite what they said about slots

Fantasy Scenery kickstarter? Fantasy naval game? Space naval game?