Rick Santorum Warns of Nazi Germany in regards to US "Christian Persecution" during Movie Interview

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**Hordini**

Ensis Ferrae wrote:

Actually... this just shows that Santorum knows absolutely nothing about history.

This was the first thing that came to my mind as well. I don't know much about Rick Santorum, but now I can confirm that he doesn't know anything about Nazi Germany.

**Ahtman**

Prestor Jon wrote:
I am honestly curious what special privileges you believe Christians have because I can't think of any I've been taking advantage of and I don't want to keep missing out.

Just because a fish doesn't know it is in water because it surrounds it doesn't mean it lives on the lands, it just means it doesn't see it. This use of the word is less about the laymen use of the term and more philosophical; it is less about what you get and more about what you don't think about and don't have to deal with. You can run for office easier, you aren't defined by your religion for many purposes, more often than not people will assume you are Christian unless you say otherwise, and things of that nature. Church It is also a nice place to network, whether intentional or not. The superstructure of society and law is built on Christian theology and history.

**jasper76**

Prestor Jon wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:
squidhills wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:

As witness the erection of satanist statues in courthouses across the Southern Baptist districts and so on.

The problem is the erection of a Satanist statue on courthouse grounds is seen by the religious right as being one of the very "attacks" on Christianity that proves the persecution they face on a daily basis.

The problem is that the religious right are a bunch of **** ***** **** ***** who want a bunch of special rules to protect their special privileges and oppress everyone they don't like.

Theocrats are just another form of statists to me and I therefore literally have no use for them. I am honestly curious what special privileges you believe Christians have because I can't think of any I've been taking advantage of and I don't want to keep missing out.

In regards to the article in the OP it never ceases to amaze me the way the "news" constantly just throws up pointless stories featuring commentary from worthless people. Santorum's last notable accomplishment was winning a statewide election in PA fourteen years ago. He literally speaks for no one but himself and is just another citizen. There really isn't any reason to pay any attention to anything he has to say. The article is just another instance of a network trying to make a story out of something meaningless. The fact that somebody in America said something outlandish isn't news, doesn't impact anyone's life and I'm disappointed in myself for spending any time on this at all.

And more recently, Santorum came in 2nd for the GOP presidential candidate, carrying 11 states. But if the air is sweet on top of that horse, breathe deep and ride on, my friend!

**ZebioLizard2**

jasper76 wrote:
squidhills wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:

As witness the erection of satanist statues in courthouses across the Southern Baptist districts and so on.

The problem is the erection of a Satanist statue on courthouse grounds is seen by the religious right as being one of the very "attacks" on Christianity that proves the persecution they face on a daily basis.

I kind of sorta see their point on Satanists. I assume these actions weren't done by "Christian Satanists" (by that I mean people who worship the biblical Satan), but Church of Satan people, who are well known as a group of atheists who delight in the practice of mocking Christianity theatrically (why anyone would choose this as a hobby eludes me)

But hey....freedom of religion doesn't mean much if it only applies to a select group.

Well known as a group of Atheists.. So you are specifically insulting someone's religion because you believe it specifically as an attack on Christianity?

**Jehan-reznor**

I thought there was a Atheist persecution in America not a Christian Persecution?

**Ahtman**

No in authority one has ever said that Christians aren't real citizens and/or patriots, but that has been said about atheists.

**LordofHats**

ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Well known as a group of Atheists..

This is an observed opinion about some Satanists, and not necessarily a Christian opinion per se. Satanists is a very broad term, covering religion and philosophy (of a Ubermensch variety). Some observers point out that Satanists at times seem less like a religion and more like an advocacy group that likes to stick it at Christianity in very tongue in cheek ways.

**ZebioLizard2**

LordofHats wrote:
ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Well known as a group of Atheists..

This is an observed opinion about some Satanists, and not necessarily a Christian opinion per se. Satanists is a very broad term, covering religion and philosophy (of a Ubermensch variety). Some observers point out that Satanists at times seem less like a religion and more like an advocacy group that likes to stick it at Christianity in very tongue in cheek ways.

You have those of the Church of Satan which is what he referenced, rather then the generic groups that seem to pop up in a general term.

Though at the same time most do have a sense of humor about it, and generally do poke Christianity when it's trying to pass laws for "Group Religious Efforts" when it really means "Christianity only", such as the 10 Commandments statue issue. While it is ribbing on them, it is rather pointing out their hypocrisy when it comes to such laws.

**SilverMK2**

Is it really "sticking it to Christianity" by doing exactly the same things as some Christian groups do to highlight the point that Christianity gets special treatment?

I thought it was more of an all out war on a persecuted minority who are very much in danger of being rounded up and up into concentration camps for even daring to think that they might be Christian

**LordofHats**

SilverMK2 wrote:
Is it really "sticking it to Christianity" by doing exactly the same things as some Christian groups do to highlight the point that Christianity gets special treatment?

That's what I'd call it yeah

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ZebioLizard2 wrote:
While it is ribbing on them, it is rather pointing out their hypocrisy when it comes to such laws.

I'm not saying there's no hypocrisy in said laws. Just that there are times where it seems like Satanist groups exist solely to advocate against them, doing so in a very tongue in cheek manner (and that's not me ribbing at Satanists).

**SilverMK2**

LordofHats wrote:
I'm not saying there's no hypocrisy in said laws. Just that there are times where it seems like Satanist groups exist solely to advocate against them, doing so in a very tongue in cheek manner (and that's not me ribbing at Satanists).

You'd rather that they were rallying against homosexuals? Maybe trying to ensure that people don't have access to contraceptives and other medical treatments?

**whitedragon**

Ahtman wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:
I am honestly curious what special privileges you believe Christians have because I can't think of any I've been taking advantage of and I don't want to keep missing out.

Just because a fish doesn't know it is in water because it surrounds it doesn't mean it lives on the lands, it just means it doesn't see it. This use of the word is less about the laymen use of the term and more philosophical; it is less about what you get and more about what you don't think about and don't have to deal with. You can run for office easier, you aren't defined by your religion for many purposes, more often than not people will assume you are Christian unless you say otherwise, and things of that nature. Church It is also a nice place to network, whether intentional or not. The superstructure of society and law is built on Christian theology and history.

#checkyourchristianprivilege

Here are some examples as a supplement to what Ahtman is saying:
http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/05/list-of-examples-of-christian-privileg/

**Jihadin**

He made a pretty harsh comparison. Invoking Nazi Germany attitude towards religion which is pretty much is on the button when the Nazism was in full swing.

Thinking he had Houston Mayor/DA and Sermons turn over on his mind as an example

**jasper76**

ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Well known as a group of Atheists.. So you are specifically insulting someone's religion because you believe it specifically as an attack on Christianity?

"Insulting" is not the term I would choose. I am an atheist; I don't find the term offensive in the least. If this particular Church is not peopled mostly by atheists who take delight in theatrically mocking Christianity, please enlighten me. I'm just going by their own films and publications that they themselves have published and that I have seen.

I find it peculiar in the same way as I would a Church joining together with people who take pleasure in theatrically mocking Native American religions, Judaism, Hinduism, or any other religion. In short, I don't begrudge anyone the right to do these things (First Amendment and all), I am just a bit befuddled why anyone would really enjoy this mode of expression.

But I'm not worked up about it or anything. It is a more a matter of curiosity to me than anything else.

**SilverMK2**

jasper76 wrote:
I don't begrudge anyone the right to do these things (First Amendment and all), I am just a bit befuddled why anyone would really enjoy this mode of expression.

But I'm not worked up about it or anything. It is a more a matter of curiosity to me than anything else.

It is a particularly effective, inoffensive (to the vast majority of people) way of highlighting the hypocrisy and inequality enacted in the name of "religion", mainly Christian as Christianity is typically a majority, and typically (in the USA at least) a strong presence in government despite the separation of church and state.

If certain Christians are offended by the CoS requesting permission to put up a statue outside a courthouse, perhaps those Christians should realise that many people take umbrage with an obviously Christian monument being erected, and stop with the whole special-snowflake-turning-into-"oh-no-we're-being-oppressed" routine.

**jasper76**

SilverMK2 wrote:
jasper76 wrote:
I don't begrudge anyone the right to do these things (First Amendment and all), I am just a bit befuddled why anyone would really enjoy this mode of expression.

But I'm not worked up about it or anything. It is a more a matter of curiosity to me than anything else.

It is a particularly effective, inoffensive (to the vast majority of people) way of highlighting the hypocrisy and inequality enacted in the name of "religion", mainly Christian as Christianity is typically a majority, and typically (in the USA at least) a strong presence in government despite the separation of church and state.

If certain Christians are offended by the CoS requesting permission to put up a statue outside a courthouse, perhaps those Christians should realise that many people take umbrage with an obviously Christian monument being erected, and stop with the whole special-snowflake-turning-into-"oh-no-we're-being-oppressed" routine.

I don't know...I guess I think things like the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Invisible Dragon achieve the same thing, without deliberately trying to enrage people with direct "anti-this-or-that" mockeries. Just my opinion here.

**SilverMK2**

jasper76 wrote:
I don't know...I guess I think things like the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Invisible Dragon achieve the same thing, without deliberately trying to enrage people with direct "anti-this-or-that" mockeries. Just my opinion here.

FSM hasn't really done anything in years and I've never even heard of Invisible Dragon and I am pretty interested in groups running an anti-religious (or rather, a religious-equality) agenda. CoS is one of the few organisations that an atheist (or any other interested individual) can sign up to which has an active stance on working to ensure religious freedom for all, not just those who pray facing the right direction or to the right icon.

**jasper76**

SilverMK2 wrote:
jasper76 wrote:
I don't know...I guess I think things like the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Invisible Dragon achieve the same thing, without deliberately trying to enrage people with direct "anti-this-or-that" mockeries. Just my opinion here.

FSM hasn't really done anything in years and I've never even heard of Invisible Dragon and I am pretty interested in groups running an anti-religious (or rather, a religious-equality) agenda. CoS is one of the few organisations that an atheist (or any other interested individual) can sign up to which has an active stance on working to ensure religious freedom for all, not just those who pray facing the right direction or to the right icon.

There's also the ACLU, fwiw. Also, American Atheists, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, Atheist Alliance International, and Center for Inquiry, just off the top of my head.

The Invisible Dragon was a device used in Carl Sagan's "Demon Haunted World" (excellent book, btw). It basically makes the same point as the FSM....I don't think it ever really caught on as a symbol for any kind of movement or activity, so I probably should not have mentioned it.

**LordofHats**

jasper76 wrote:

There's also the ACLU

Read my very first post. The ACLU is only anti-Christian if you ignore all the cases they've taken up to defend the rights of Christians. The ACLU is anti-Government endorsed religion, not anti-Christian.

**jasper76**

LordofHats wrote:
jasper76 wrote:

There's also the ACLU

Read my very first post. The ACLU is only anti-Christian if you ignore all the cases they've taken up to defend the rights of Christians. The ACLU is anti-Government endorsed religion, not anti-Christian.

I didn't mean to say the ACLU was anti-Christian, only that its an org that people can support if they are interested in protecting the religious freedomes of everyone

**Frazzled**

http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/05/list-of-examples-of-christian-privileg/

Most of those are not accurate, but I'm sure you disagree.

**Ahtman**

Frazzled wrote:
http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/05/list-of-examples-of-christian-privileg/

Most of those are not accurate, but I'm sure you disagree.

Well you are a fish living in water.

I just read an article about the right for terminally ill patient being able to choose when or how to end it if they choose and several Senators in several states said they would never allow legislation for it as only God should be able to choose when you die of a terrible, fatal illness. I should have saved it as it seems appropriate here.

**RivenSkull**

Remember, this is a man that wanted to make consensual oral and anal sex, even between heterosexual married couple, illegal.

The only thing Rick spews is verbal santorum.

**jasper76**

SilverMK2 wrote:
jasper76 wrote:
I don't know...I guess I think things like the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Invisible Dragon achieve the same thing, without deliberately trying to enrage people with direct "anti-this-or-that" mockeries. Just my opinion here.

FSM hasn't really done anything in years and I've never even heard of Invisible Dragon and I am pretty interested in groups running an anti-religious (or rather, a religious-equality) agenda. CoS is one of the few organisations that an atheist (or any other interested individual) can sign up to which has an active stance on working to ensure religious freedom for all, not just those who pray facing the right direction or to the right icon.

I'm just now noticing you live in the UK, and I listed a bunch of American orgs. If you're sincerely interested, here's a list of secular organization with an International and United Kingdom section:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_secularist_organizations

**Frazzled**

I just read an article about the right for terminally ill patient being able to choose when or how to end it if they choose and several Senators in several states said they would never allow legislation for it as only God should be able to choose when you die of a terrible, fatal illness. I should have saved it as it seems appropriate here.

Lets not go there. I have serious personal issues on that.

**RivenSkull**

Frazzled wrote:

I just read an article about the right for terminally ill patient being able to choose when or how to end it if they choose and several Senators in several states said they would never allow legislation for it as only God should be able to choose when you die of a terrible, fatal illness. I should have saved it as it seems appropriate here.

Lets not go there. I have serious personal issues on that.

But on the other hand, that's a pretty significant way that Christian "pro life" values intrude on non Christians. For someone who is terminally ill, is only going to go through more pain and suffering, and a decision that will not hurt anyone else, why wouldn't that be a rallying cry for the right who often tout against the government telling them what they can and cannot do? Christianity is why.

**Frazzled**

Ot address correctly, is there a similar right in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia?

**d-usa**

Are we done talking about the US then?

**RivenSkull**

Frazzled wrote:
Ot address correctly, is there a similar right in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia?

But we're not talking about the rest of the world. We're discussing the US.

**Frazzled**

d-usa wrote:
Are we done talking about the US then?

Nope. but to make the statement that its all the evil Christers fault one has to look at other countries.
And the statement of one person does not a law make. Thats a state issue.