Rick Santorum Warns of Nazi Germany in regards to US "Christian Persecution" during Movie Interview

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**RivenSkull**

Frazzled wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Are we done talking about the US then?

Nope. but to make the statement that its all the evil Christers fault one has to look at other countries.

But we are not saying all Christians are evil.

What we are saying is that in the US, Christian beliefs are common and that for US Christians to think that they being persecuted in any way is a ludicrous idea, especially with how much legal policies and laws are openly in favor of Christian teachings and values.

And if we don't want to use the assisted suicide as an example for that, we can look at gay marriage and contraceptives laws.

**Aesop the God Awful**

RivenSkull wrote:
Christianity is why.

No, it's not. Bigot donkey-cave morons is why. Christianity is just a tool for them. Were Christianity not a thing in USA, they'd still be there.

**Prestor Jon**

jasper76 wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:
squidhills wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:

As witness the erection of satanist statues in courthouses across the Southern Baptist districts and so on.

The problem is the erection of a Satanist statue on courthouse grounds is seen by the religious right as being one of the very "attacks" on Christianity that proves the persecution they face on a daily basis.

The problem is that the religious right are a bunch of **** ***** **** ***** who want a bunch of special rules to protect their special privileges and oppress everyone they don't like.

Theocrats are just another form of statists to me and I therefore literally have no use for them. I am honestly curious what special privileges you believe Christians have because I can't think of any I've been taking advantage of and I don't want to keep missing out.

In regards to the article in the OP it never ceases to amaze me the way the "news" constantly just throws up pointless stories featuring commentary from worthless people. Santorum's last notable accomplishment was winning a statewide election in PA fourteen years ago. He literally speaks for no one but himself and is just another citizen. There really isn't any reason to pay any attention to anything he has to say. The article is just another instance of a network trying to make a story out of something meaningless. The fact that somebody in America said something outlandish isn't news, doesn't impact anyone's life and I'm disappointed in myself for spending any time on this at all.

And more recently, Santorum came in 2nd for the GOP presidential candidate, carrying 11 states. But if the air is sweet on top of that horse, breathe deep and ride on, my friend!

He still lost. He still hold no office and represents no one except himself. Rick Santorum is just another citizen the same as you or me his words carry no more weight than ours. CNN only uses him for ratings. I still see no reason to care one iota about anything Santorum says or believes.

**LordofHats**

Santorum was ultimately too crazy to be president. The only reason he made it to second was because every other Republican candidate got screwed in various scandals, or failed to catch on and dropped out. He got second only by the virtue of not quitting till Romney's nomination was blatantly clear.

**RivenSkull**

Aesop the God Awful wrote:
RivenSkull wrote:
Christianity is why.

No, it's not. Bigot donkey-cave morons is why. Christianity is just a tool for them. Were Christianity not a thing in USA, they'd still be there.

I believe this is partially true.

When you see some go from being a nice person who is friendly with your family to saying we're all going to hell because we support my lesbian sister and she's an abomination to god.

Some people are already donkey-caves, but some blindly listen when they are told who they have to hate, because god.

**gorgon**

LordofHats wrote:
Santorum was ultimately too crazy to be president. The only reason he made it to second was because every other Republican candidate got screwed in various scandals, or failed to catch on and dropped out. He got second only by the virtue of not quitting till Romney's nomination was blatantly clear.

You're letting your political feelings about the guy color your opinions here. He's a smart, strong campaigner who *clearly* connected with the most conservative folks in the GOP in a way that Romney never did. People laughed when he announced his campaign, but people (Romney included) weren't laughing by the end. You don't blindly luck into winning as many primaries as he did.

And I've said it here before, but I've been told by someone I trust and in position to know that Santorum wasn't always so conservative.

Being a far right firebrand greatly helped his career overall (his rise from Representative to junior Senator to #3 man in the Senate was fairly meteoric), although again it obviously cost him his seat in PA.

**Frazzled**

RivenSkull wrote:
Aesop the God Awful wrote:
RivenSkull wrote:
Christianity is why.

No, it's not. Bigot donkey-cave morons is why. Christianity is just a tool for them. Were Christianity not a thing in USA, they'd still be there.

I believe this is partially true.

When you see some go from being a nice person who is friendly with your family to saying we're all going to hell because we support my lesbian sister and she's an abomination to god.

Good thing this didn't color your view of Christians. But hey we haven't had a lets bash Christians thread in like 24 hours.

**LordofHats**

Romney wasn't my guy. I'm completely serious. Santorum only got second by virtue that Perry dropped out. He didn't blindly win, he won because the hardcore would never vote for Romney, and they lost Perry to vote for. By the time Perry dropped out, it was only going to be Santorum or Romney.

Getting second by virtue of last man standing isn't brilliant campaigning (and I'm not even insulting his campaign really, merely pointing out that getting second doesn't actually amount to much in his case). Getting second place in a race with two men is a rather token second place.

**whembly**

Perry was my guy.

I couldn't stand Santorum... but, I'd wager he'd be a decent President. It's just that Santorum would've been a much worse candidate than Romney could ever be.

**LordofHats**

2012 was a terrible Republican year and we all know it. Takes Douche and a Turd to a new level.

**Frazzled**

2016 will be the Democrats turn.

**Prestor Jon**

LordofHats wrote:
2012 was a terrible Republican year and we all know it. Takes Douche and a Turd to a new level.

Agreed. The primary was all about a dissatisfied party base protest voting for various candidates. Too much pandering because none of the candidates could run on principles and records.

**Aesop the God Awful**

RivenSkull wrote:
Aesop the God Awful wrote:
RivenSkull wrote:
Christianity is why.

No, it's not. Bigot donkey-cave morons is why. Christianity is just a tool for them. Were Christianity not a thing in USA, they'd still be there.

I believe this is partially true.

When you see some go from being a nice person who is friendly with your family to saying we're all going to hell because we support my lesbian sister and she's an abomination to god.

Some people are already donkey-caves, but some blindly listen when they are told who they have to hate, because god.

It's not "because God". It's because weak stupid people. Take Christianity and God out of the equation, give these people any easy BS reason to hate on others and feel better about themselves in the process, and they'd take it.

Now it just so happens to be Christians in the US that are guilty of these things, but to blame "Christianity"? I agree with Frazzled that before it's reasonable to say "Christianity is why", you gotta take a little look outside of USA.

Just for the record though, saying Christians are persecuted in the US is indeed beyond ridiculous. Losing some ground (that they probably shouldn't have had in the first place), sure, but persecuted...

**Frazzled**

Just for the record though, saying Christians are persecuted in the US is indeed beyond ridiculous. Losing some ground (that they probably shouldn't have had in the first place), sure, but persecuted...

Agreed.

**Ouze**

whembly wrote:
Perry was my guy.

I was never fond of the guy, and I'll give you three reasons why: He claims to be a small-government conservative while pressing laws that defined marriage and issuing executive orders mandating the HPV vaccine, he fought tooth and nail against the ACA while simultaneous presiding over the state with the highest percentage of uninsured residents in the US, and... um.... the uh, oops.

**whembly**

Ouze wrote:
whembly wrote:
Perry was my guy.

I was never fond of the guy, and I'll give you three reasons why: He claims to be a small-government conservative while pressing laws that defined marriage and issuing executive orders mandating the HPV vaccine, he fought tooth and nail against the ACA while simultaneous presiding over the state with the highest percentage of uninsured residents in the US, and... um.... the uh, oops.

He's not perfect.

No one is...

But given the "choices" on hand, he was my guy.*

What? Did ya want me to vote for Gingrich?

*It's because I'm partial to Governors... I think they'd make "better" Presidents.

**Frazzled**

Ouze wrote:
whembly wrote:
Perry was my guy.

I was never fond of the guy, and I'll give you three reasons why: He claims to be a small-government conservative while pressing laws that defined marriage and issuing executive orders mandating the HPV vaccine, he fought tooth and nail against the ACA while simultaneous presiding over the state with the highest percentage of uninsured residents in the US, and... um.... the uh, oops.

I was very much in support of the HPV vaccine. It was done over heavy conservative objection.
The real scandal is the slushfund for new business in Texas. That will blow him out of contention.
But the Democrats in Travis County are hounding him on this nonsense lawsuit, that covers over that pernicious activity.

**Co'tor Shas**

d-usa wrote:
There are some martyrs who would probably love to smack some of these idiots for claiming "persecution".

There are people willing to be tortured and killed for their faith and who are willing, and happy, to endure poverty and public ridicule for the opportunity to share their faith.

And here we have people who claim that they are under attack because secular laws based on Christian beliefs are being struck down and and because they are being told that it's illegal to discriminate against others.

Being persecuted for loving others is persecution, being told not to use your religion to force your belief on others isn't.

That was great. Can I put a link to this in my sig?

**Ahtman**

Frazzled wrote:
But hey we haven't had a lets bash Christians thread in like 24 hours.

Unless somehow a few idiots on one side are representative of all Christians (protip: they aren't) that isn't occurring.

**MrDwhitey**

It's almost like an example of that persecution complex...

**d-usa**

Co'tor Shas wrote:
d-usa wrote:
There are some martyrs who would probably love to smack some of these idiots for claiming "persecution".

There are people willing to be tortured and killed for their faith and who are willing, and happy, to endure poverty and public ridicule for the opportunity to share their faith.

And here we have people who claim that they are under attack because secular laws based on Christian beliefs are being struck down and and because they are being told that it's illegal to discriminate against others.

Being persecuted for loving others is persecution, being told not to use your religion to force your belief on others isn't.

That was great. Can I put a link to this in my sig?

Sure. I speak for no one but myself though

**Bullockist**

Washington (CNN) -- Former Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pennsylvania, said this week that the growing threat towards American religious freedom by the government could lead to "Christian persecution," similar to how the oppression of Jews and Christians evolved over time under Nazi Germany.

Arguing that the rise of the Nazi regime happened in a stable country where it was not expected, Santorum said that a similar situation could occur in the United States where, according to Santorum, religious liberties are "under direct assault" for the first time in history.

OMG , what a fething idiot. Germany was in no way stable when the nazis were on the rise.
"History? what's that?" Rick Santorum.

**Jihadin**

Happen to remember the Versailles Treaty was a major pipe wrench thrown in the gears of the economy Also I happen to remember some territory was claimed by allied troops (France?) occupied parts of the Rhineland when Germany failed to make reparation payments.

If a Catholic Priest in a Spiritual Leadership position voice how wrong same sex marriage, gays and lesbians being wrong, and speak approvingly of whatever to block acceptance of those concern it becoming a stigma of Hate Speech.

**Daemonhammer**

[...]growing threat towards American religious freedom by the government could lead to "Christian persecution," similar to how the oppression of Jews and Christians evolved over time under Nazi Germany. [...]

"The idea that you can have this kind of persecution take place over a period of ten years -- where you go from Christians -- Jews, obviously, but also Christians being not just persecuted but put to death -- was unfathomable," [...]

So what, Hitler and the Nazis were what, Muslim? Atheist? Scientologists?
Whatever views someone might have on Christianity its a well documented fact that Hitler and the Nazis were strongly Christian and wanted to wipe out the Jews because they were of a different religion (among other thing of course). During their rise to power the Nazis used their Christianity to gain support from those with more right wing views and to inspire further hatred towards Jews (and others).

As a fun fact the only leading Nazi to get excommunicated by the church was Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's master of propaganda, and he got excommunicated for getting married to a Protestant woman.

**streamdragon**

Daemonhammer wrote:

[...]growing threat towards American religious freedom by the government could lead to "Christian persecution," similar to how the oppression of Jews and Christians evolved over time under Nazi Germany. [...]

"The idea that you can have this kind of persecution take place over a period of ten years -- where you go from Christians -- Jews, obviously, but also Christians being not just persecuted but put to death -- was unfathomable," [...]

So what, Hitler and the Nazis were what, Muslim? Atheist? Scientologists?
Whatever views someone might have on Christianity its a well documented fact that Hitler and the Nazis were strongly Christian and wanted to wipe out the Jews because they were of a different religion (among other thing of course). During their rise to power the Nazis used their Christianity to gain support from those with more right wing views and to inspire further hatred towards Jews (and others).

As a fun fact the only leading Nazi to get excommunicated by the church was Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's master of propaganda, and he got excommunicated for getting married to a Protestant woman.

Nu-uh! Everyone knows Hitler is a shining example of an Atheist and that they're all evil! The internet told me so! /sarcasm

**Ensis Ferrae**

Daemonhammer wrote:
During their rise to power the Nazis used their Christianity to gain support from those with more right wing views and to inspire further hatred towards Jews (and others).

I agree with all but this..... It's damn near impossible to get much more Right Wing than Fascism