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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 17:11:29
Subject: Re:Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Brigadier General
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judgedoug wrote: Tanakosyke22 wrote:
Thats is much cheaper than the GW one, let along not made in its crappy fine cast. My only question is that is Old Glory Army a reliable place to by from?
Old Glory is one of the oldest and most reliable historicals miniatures company (they also have fantasy and sci fi, too). They also attend nearly every convention and have a huge presence at Historicon. I've purchased countless items from them in the past and have always gotten impeccable service. Plus the prices, with the Old Glory Army discount, are unbeatable.
For example: http://oldglory25s.com/view_product.php?product=PIL-06
a pack of 30 Italian Wars handgunners (aka Warhammer Empire handgunners), for $36. with Old Glory Army discount, $21.60.
Note that I believe the Siege Weapons do not have crew as they are period-army-agnostic; you'll have to supply your own or get a pack of crew from the closest historical period to your army.
Such as this pack of Hundred Years War crewmen - http://oldglory25s.com/view_product.php?product=HAW-12
+1 for Old Glory. I've owned a fair amount of their products over the years. They do vary a bit. Some of their older stuff is a bit cruder, and the scale of the minis does tend a bit toward 25 than 28. Still, the cast-on bases give them a bit of a boost and they look fine on the Battlefield with GW minis, especially if they are in their own units.
As for warmachines, a bit of scale difference means exactly nothing since there was never any exact standard for these things. As to warmachine crew, you do have to supply your own, but it's
A couple of things about Old Glory
-The "Old Glory Army" is a customer club that costs $50 to join, and you get a free pack of figs and 40% off for a year. You can save even more by picking up your orders at one of the conventions they attend to not pay shipping
-Old Glory has two websites. http://oldglory25s.com is the direct site. http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com is a site that sells the same items from the same company, but usually has better pictures. I gather it was a deal from back in the day when OG preferred to outsource the figs.
-Old Glory also casts and sells many (though not all) items from West Wind in the USA. Some really great fantasy stuff in particular in the "Dwarf Wars" section. You'll find them in the 25mm section even though most WestWind stuff is 28-30mm.
Here's a couple picture with some common figs for comparison
Lastly, there are other companies producing good warmachines for the historical market. A search for 28mm or 25mm and the type of Warmachine (Ballista, Trebuchet, etc) will get you other options.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 17:31:24
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
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As for the relative "slowness" that some are seeing I think a couple of issues are seeing the funding slow down:
1. Apart from the Abyssals if I wanted an army (mega/starter/whatever) I could have it by the end of the week and have it painted long before this is fulfilled. Some people will place this above saving 20-30% at retail.
2: The Abyssals themselves, entirely subjective obviously but to me they look a bit static and goofy. The army deal is currently a bit dull as well being made up of 3-4 unit types/characters only.
3. Time of year, how many of us really have much spare cash heading into the Winterval?
That said this is still doing well and a few "add on wednesdays" or nature army plastics could still see it soar. Failing that the book is funded and it has already obliterated its funding goal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 17:42:38
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:You know... the project I've been pitching wasn't expressly Blaine-centric, but the people of Dakka seem to have spoken, so I guess I am changing course. :-p
Is this a fighting fantasy story where we play as Blaine?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 18:45:08
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Haughty Harad Serpent Rider
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BobtheInquisitor wrote:NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:You know... the project I've been pitching wasn't expressly Blaine-centric, but the people of Dakka seem to have spoken, so I guess I am changing course. :-p
Is this a fighting fantasy story where we play as Blaine?
WITH ART BY GARY CHALK?!
taaake myyy monneeeyyy
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 19:21:01
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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The problem I am hitting with this is market saturation. I am quite interested in the abyssals, especially if the plastics come out as nice as the new warpath ones (thanks guys for pointing them out to me), but I've got a bunch on the way ANYWAY with DS, and I've just shelled out quite a lot for Tre Manor's last KS.
He's probably going to be doing another one in January, and I expect I will go all in on that, because I just love his work so much, and that makes me think I should sit this out rather than overspend.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 19:32:33
Subject: Re:Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Blaine is NOT available if you only want a $50 add-on (eg. $1 pledge and $50 starter army): "Unfortunately Blaine would not be included in that pledge, it's included in Living Legend and God of War."
Someone post this in Update 8 for Alan.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 19:36:50
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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judgedoug wrote: BobtheInquisitor wrote:NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:You know... the project I've been pitching wasn't expressly Blaine-centric, but the people of Dakka seem to have spoken, so I guess I am changing course. :-p
Is this a fighting fantasy story where we play as Blaine?
WITH ART BY GARY CHALK?!
taaake myyy monneeeyyy
LOL. I'm a writer, not a miracle maker... unless we're going with some Neil Gaiman-esque, Sandman-y, interpretation of what a writer is. :-p
Its just something fun, that Mantic hasn't done before (hint #1), and would see myself writing something while teamed up with an artist (mentioned in this thread) on a project (of the sort someone mentioned in this thread). :-p
If it doesn't end up being part of the Kickstarter it might just end up happening as a side-thing as the idea really excited Ronnie.
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11527pts Total (7400pts painted)
4980pts Total (4980pts painted)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 19:48:51
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Foxy Wildborne
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Graphic novel!
Video game!
Sports car!
Action figure!
Dishwasher!
... doesn't really narrow it down that much, does it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 19:51:02
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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I want a Sports Car at Mantic prices!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 19:56:57
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 20:03:58
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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$160K, guys
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 20:13:39
Subject: Re:Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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ced1106 wrote:Blaine is NOT available if you only want a $50 add-on (eg. $1 pledge and $50 starter army): "Unfortunately Blaine would not be included in that pledge, it's included in Living Legend and God of War."
Someone post this in Update 8 for Alan.
What about a $1 pledge bumped up to a LL or GoW in the Pledge Manager phase?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 20:15:25
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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Restic is fine for large models!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 20:16:25
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Smokin' Skorcha Driver
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Blaine locked in!
Undead Necromancer & Dwarf Warsmith next at $175k:
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 20:17:24
Subject: Re:Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Fixture of Dakka
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Off topic but on the topic of trebuchet..
RAFM has this for $15.95, I don't know what the quality is like...
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 20:19:44
Subject: Re:Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Dakka Veteran
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update: $175,000 – BONUS Kings of War Heroes! - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/kings-of-war-fantasy-battle-game-2nd-edition/posts
Undead Necromancer
There are always men willing to tread the darker paths of magic to achieve their temporal ambitions. Some do it to retrieve a lost love, others to reunite their family after great tragedy,
or maybe just to find the lost lore of times long gone. Whatever the motivation, none start down this path with evil intentions, yet all reach the same, terrible destination.
Dwarf Warsmith
The warmachines and devices of the Dwarfs are tended to by these wise priests of the forge. Though they are talented enough artisans in their own right, there true talent lies in their ability to
literally ‘speak’ to the spirits innate to all such constructs, repairing damage, adjusting aim and improving efficiency as they chant and mutter to their charges. Any Dwarf Lord worth his axe will have at
least one Warsmith travelling with each of his armies.
If we hit this stretch goal, we will sculpt and produce two brand new hero figures for the range, both with alternative bits to create variant heroes.
The Undead Necromancer will provide the Undead forces with magical firepower whilst the dwarf warsmith keeps the gun line and artillery firing. We will include the metal Undead Necromancer
free with every Undead Mega-Starter Army and the metal Dwarf Warsmith free with every Dwarf Mega-Starter Army.
You can choose one Mega-Starter Army as part of a pledge of God of War ($150 and Early Bird) or add one on for $100. You can also pick up additional Necromancers or Warsmith for $8 each.
These heroes join our growing cast of heroes with variant options, including the Basilean War-wizard, Elf Mage and Abyssal Champion!
You’ll be sure to want more than one of each to get the most out of your army’s capabilities.
Quite like the fact that the Necromancer comes with an Alt living head, a nice little idea that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 20:21:47
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Foxy Wildborne
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You are seriously better off building something like that out of balsa and string than buying it in metal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 20:31:28
Subject: Re:Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Dakka Veteran
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Theres are whole bunch of these D&D Miniatures - Lords of Madness Trebuchets all over Ebay for about £4
Any good?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 20:57:20
Subject: Re:Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Screaming Shining Spear
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Azazelx wrote:ced1106 wrote:Blaine is NOT available if you only want a $50 add-on (eg. $1 pledge and $50 starter army): "Unfortunately Blaine would not be included in that pledge, it's included in Living Legend and God of War."
Someone post this in Update 8 for Alan.
What about a $1 pledge bumped up to a LL or GoW in the Pledge Manager phase?
That's the way it's been for all the Mantic projects I've backed, you get all the stretches if you take a pledge level during or after the campaign. The only ones that haven't been that way were the total funding bonuses for Deadzone (resin 1st gen and reb commander, etc), and the timed bonus for Mars Attacks... which everyone may have ended up with anyway, I think it was the Tiger Corps?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 21:05:08
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
UK
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Interesting titbit from the comments
Mantic Games
@ kharegim + orcsbain - we're limited to the amount of plastic we can do on this one.
presumably down to both the time the manufacturer can commit to give them on the milling,
and on the amount of time available on the actual casting machines too
but great to see it's at the forefront of their minds this time round
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 21:07:36
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Near Golden Daemon Caliber
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Hoo boy, I think it's gonna be a slow trek to unlock those minis. Oh well though, the kickstarter has done what it was supposed to do, the $50 pledge is already quite nice, and we should see some traffic from add-on wednesday.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 21:07:48
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Screaming Shining Spear
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Chinese New Year takes an entire month out of the manufacturing calendar
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 21:35:46
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
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I am at 250 right now 1 Abyssal army and hopefully 1 Forces of Nature, but at the rate things are unlocking, I am likely going to do 50.00 at the end instead.
15,000.00 for two characters seems a bit steep to me personally when the Abyssal are not fleshed out yet.
I need Effrits,Warriors, and Molochs, to seal the deal on the Abyssal mega army.
Anyone know a good cheap US Site to snag some Basileans? Anyone know if the quality of the M@A or Paladins has improved?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 21:48:00
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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primalexile wrote:Anyone know a good cheap US Site to snag some Basileans? Anyone know if the quality of the M@A or Paladins has improved?
The quality of the Men At Arms can't improve. They are literally Chinese knockoffs of Mantic's original sculpts, and they will never get any better unless somebody melts the mould down and starts over. Just buy some historicals - they'll be cheaper and higher quality.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 21:52:46
Subject: Re:Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
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I suppose Manann Blade's will take their place for me. Perhaps some Knights Templar could look just as good as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 22:09:20
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Fixture of Dakka
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Mantic might save some community goodwill of they stopped selling the men-at-arms all together and just wrote off the cost.
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 22:15:04
Subject: Re:Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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agnosto wrote:Off topic but on the topic of trebuchet..
RAFM has this for $15.95, I don't know what the quality is like...

From my experience, RAFM's historicals are of good quality, but they're much closer to "True" 25mm, so the trebuchet might be a bit on the small side.
Valete,
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Valete,
JohnS
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 22:18:13
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Dakka Veteran
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AlexHolker wrote: primalexile wrote:Anyone know a good cheap US Site to snag some Basileans? Anyone know if the quality of the M@A or Paladins has improved?
The quality of the Men At Arms can't improve. They are literally Chinese knockoffs of Mantic's original sculpts, and they will never get any better unless somebody melts the mould down and starts over. Just buy some historicals - they'll be cheaper and higher quality.
I imagine Mantic still has the original masters for them, so it should be possible to have them properly made (though it's probably just as cheap to work from the same concept and digitally sculpt them).
Honestly, I think that resculpting the men-at-arms and goblins (include weapon options for both) would be a great investment in goodwill. Ideally, resculpt them and include a single sprue for free with the basic pledge level as a "money where your mouth is" option.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 22:34:51
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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decker_cky wrote:Honestly, I think that resculpting the men-at-arms and goblins (include weapon options for both) would be a great investment in goodwill. Ideally, resculpt them and include a single sprue for free with the basic pledge level as a "money where your mouth is" option.
Redoing the goblins isn't a bad idea, but tooling the Men at Arms was already stupid the first time. Money spent redoing the Men at Arms is money not spent on another, more deserving kit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/17 22:40:08
Subject: Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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AlexHolker wrote:decker_cky wrote:Honestly, I think that resculpting the men-at-arms and goblins (include weapon options for both) would be a great investment in goodwill. Ideally, resculpt them and include a single sprue for free with the basic pledge level as a "money where your mouth is" option.
Redoing the goblins isn't a bad idea, but tooling the Men at Arms was already stupid the first time. Money spent redoing the Men at Arms is money not spent on another, more deserving kit.
I'm not sure I follow.
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