Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)

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**BobtheInquisitor**

EDIT: Brachiating dragons might actually be really cool.

I'm also not as concerned about the salamander's limb proportions in the art as I am in the Mantic sculptor's ability not to interpret the art in the most over-the-top Mighty Mouse style possible. I am still smarting over the brachiating werewolves.

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cygnnus wrote:

I love it! Making an observation that what is a "realistic" depiction of a Demon ultimately comes down to personal preferences, and now I'm a simpleton troll (sorry, lest I ignore all context whatsoever I should hasten to add than i'm, apparently, just "imitating" one) and not a "semi-normal person". Huh... Such hostility and need to be "right". To each their own, I suppose...

Valete,

JohnS

Okay, I did go too far and I apologize. I tried to edit it down a bit just after I posted it but you were too quick. "It's not real" is one of my buttons. At least it wasn't a WW1 German in Space.

To be back on topic, I agree that it comes down to personal preference, and I share Gallahad's. I was responding to your implication that his preference was wrong because demons aren't real, therefore ape-men. I'm sorry I got hostile.

**AlexHolker**

The Salamanders are terrible. It's not just the legs, which are inadequate for a biped. The tail is bad as well. The torso should not be vertical and the tail should not be horizontal - the tail should be relatively rigid and much closer to parallel to the rest of the spine. That would do a much better job of conveying the creature's reptilian nature than sticking the wrong legs and wrong tail on it.

**Eilif**

AlexHolker wrote:
The Salamanders are terrible. It's not just the legs, which are inadequate for a biped. The tail is bad as well. The torso should not be vertical and the tail should not be horizontal - the tail should be relatively rigid and much closer to parallel to the rest of the spine. That would do a much better job of conveying the creature's reptilian nature than sticking the wrong legs and wrong tail on it.

I think I agree, though I don't have the biological background. I just saw the legs and thought "why's he got such stumpy legs? Is he a Salamander dwarf" Realism be darned, I think a Salamander-man should look cool and those tiny legs just don't.

Good to hear they'll be hard plastic though. Cheaper material + more options per fig + easier to work with = Plastic = Better!

**Alpharius**

It's Mantic's House Style, like restic used to be their House Material.

They've seemingly finally figured out that no one wants restic, so maybe there's still hope for well proportioned legs someday too?

**Rolt**

Looks like were only about $500 odd from hitting the Molochs, hopefully we'll see some of the Nature Army previews by tonight.

**GrimDork**

Looks like we're really ramping up if that's the case. Maybe
?

I've not been following as closely as I usually do =/

**Rolt**

Update: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/kings-of-war-fantasy-battle-game-2nd-edition/posts

$275,000 Hard Plastic Salamanders:

Salamanders are heavy infantry that can be armed with hand weapons and shields or two handed weapons that can cleave a man in half, leaving a
fiery streak swathing through the air. They can be taken as an elite infantry choice in the new Force of the Abyss Force List, or chosen as part of the
Forces of Nature where, as a neutral-aligned unit, can be taken as part of any other army too.

Massively strong, Salamanders are a tough opponent on the battlefield and an asset to any fighting force. If we hit this stretch goal, we will be able to sculpt, tool
and produce the Salamanders in hard plastic – the first real core unit for the Forces of Nature. You will be able to add them on to your pledge for $15.

And some info on the new army sets:

he Salamanders will be added alongside the Forest Shamblers into a Starter ($50) and Mega-Starter Army ($100). These will get filled up over the course of the final weekend and last day.

The Starter Army ($50) contents begins at:
- 20 Salamanders (which can be armed with hand weapon and shields or two handed weapons)
- 3 Forest Shamblers
- ?????????????????

The Mega-Starter Army ($100) begins at:
- ?????????????????
- 40 Salamanders (which can be armed with hand weapon and shields or two handed weapons)
- 6 Forest Shamblers
- ?????????????????
- ?????????????????

You’ll notice that there are still a few items currently blanked out. We’ll flesh these out as we go along hitting more goals.

If you’re super confident of beating our next goals, you could go ahead and pledge for an additional army now - remember you don’t make your choices on armies until after
the campaign has finished, which gives us plenty of time to get them funded. And if we don’t break them all, you can always choose something else ☺

Enjoy.

**GrimDork**

Gonna be a tough slog to 275k but I think enough people like the salmanders to see it happen.

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The Tyrant pledge level is really driving up the total as well, though they're limited and only so many backers are going to be after 850 dollar pledges.

**highlord tamburlaine**

I think Alpharius is more excited about getting to highlord things up in here more than I am at this point!

I shall reserve judgement on the salamanders until we see some renders at least. Curious as to what kinds of option parts they'd have. Hopefully some non flaming/ smoking ones. I don't want to have to paint all those flames!

Interesting to see they'll have a 2 handed weapon option available as well. Hopefully they'll have something beyond big rocks and pointy sticks like most reptiles seem to get stuck with.

I think the Salamanders would also make good abyssal stand ins for those that don't like the cartoony imp style.

**GrimDork**

Well the salamanders are already technically heavy infantry for the abyssals as it is. From the art we've seen so far I'm assuming they'll have proper forged weapons, maybe of the molten hot variety.

**jorny**

Mantica! Where mighty armies waddle onto the field of battle to bring death and destruction to their enemies!

The short legs aside (funny that their dwarfs are better proportioned than many others), the game looks really interesting. The question is what army to build.

Maybe the dwarfs? I'll just have to swap all the shields to something that looks better. Are they stuck to the body or are they glued on?

On the other hand Ral Partha Europe is having a sale this weekend. How is the kingdom of men list? Fun to play, or just vanilla?

**.Mikes.**

GrimDork wrote:
Looks like we're really ramping up if that's the case. Maybe
?

I've not been following as closely as I usually do =/

It's getting there:

**GrimDork**

Ooh yeah look at that. Fancy.

**Azreal13**

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I think Alpharius is more excited about getting to highlord things up in here more than I am at this point!

I shall reserve judgement on the salamanders until we see some renders at least. Curious as to what kinds of option parts they'd have. Hopefully some non flaming/ smoking ones. I don't want to have to paint all those flames!

Interesting to see they'll have a 2 handed weapon option available as well. Hopefully they'll have something beyond big rocks and pointy sticks like most reptiles seem to get stuck with.

I think the Salamanders would also make good abyssal stand ins for those that don't like the cartoony imp style.

Will it harsh your mellow if I point out the salamanders are technically amphibians and not lizards?

**RobertsMinis**

jorny wrote:
Mantica! Where mighty armies waddle onto the field of battle to bring death and destruction to their enemies!

The short legs aside (funny that their dwarfs are better proportioned than many others), the game looks really interesting. The question is what army to build.

Maybe the dwarfs? I'll just have to swap all the shields to something that looks better. Are they stuck to the body or are they glued on?

On the other hand Ral Partha Europe is having a sale this weekend. How is the kingdom of men list? Fun to play, or just vanilla?

There are a few models on the sprue with molded on shields.

**GrimDork**

Looks like 2/5 on the troop sprue for Ironclads, and none on the command sprue. If you're just going to add new shields, should be pretty easy to shave down the integral shields to do it.

**Eilif**

GrimDork wrote:
Looks like 2/5 on the troop sprue for Ironclads, and none on the command sprue. If you're just going to add new shields, should be pretty easy to shave down the integral shields to do it.

If you have a motor tool (the Dremel 543 bit is ace for this kind of work) you can quickly do this sort of work, though it would be best if the shield you're replacing them with is as big or bigger, at least for the ones you have to grind off.

**Thraxas Of Turai**

Some new KOW or possible DKH images coming out at the open day, all from the twitter account of @FistyGlueMan
Ogre

Orcs

Abyssal Demons

Misc inc Blaine

KOW 2nd Edition Cheat Sheet

**RobertsMinis**

Some lovely and interesting greens. I see they have bulked up the troll legs but not to the extent that they look out of place with the existing trolls but probably not enough to make the peanut gallery want to buy them.

**Riquende**

Interesting rules sheet.

Incidentally, I wonder if regiments armed with missile weapons are now worth taking at all?

**angelofvengeance**

Anyone notice the Salamander in the background of the Blaine pic? Also, the Dryad druid looks particularly badass..

**RobertsMinis**

The improvement to Zap is interesting. Wind-blast is going to make games very interesting...

**Thraxas Of Turai**

More from @FistyGlueMan

3d printed abyssal

Render of Abyssal Succubi

3d Abyssals for Dungeon Saga:

**overtyrant**

Both 3D print and render are very bad but then I did not expect much from these

**Ahtman**

That 3D Succubi model better be a WIP. The clear resin ones and the parts look fairly nice though. The painted one at top is hard to tell.

**AlexHolker**

The proportions on the Succubus don't look good, but it's hard to tell how much of that is just the failure to post a screenshot of the render instead of taking a photo at an angle of a computer monitor displaying the render. If it's not, though... seriously, Mantic, fire whatever moron told you tiny legs look good.

EDIT: Actually, seeing as we have the rectangle of the screen as a guide, we can do this:

It's not too bad once you see it head on, but they really need to add a navel to break up the abdomen.

**Black Nexus**

Succubi is WIP, and it's an awful photo at a bad angle to judge it from.

The Lower Abyssal in that photo has just started being painted too.

**Alpharius**

Azreal13 wrote:
highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I think Alpharius is more excited about getting to highlord things up in here more than I am at this point!

I shall reserve judgement on the salamanders until we see some renders at least. Curious as to what kinds of option parts they'd have. Hopefully some non flaming/ smoking ones. I don't want to have to paint all those flames!

Interesting to see they'll have a 2 handed weapon option available as well. Hopefully they'll have something beyond big rocks and pointy sticks like most reptiles seem to get stuck with.

I think the Salamanders would also make good abyssal stand ins for those that don't like the cartoony imp style.

Will it harsh your mellow if I point out the salamanders are technically amphibians and not lizards?

I think they're aiming more for a 1E AD&D "Salamander" here:

IIRC, AD&D Salamanders are native to the Elemental Plane of Fire...

Additionally, that Lesser Abyssal looks...abysmal.

And not in a good way.

**Fenriswulf**

Yeah it's why I am staying well away from buying any. Been burnt before by Mantic, never again.

The sad thing is, if they hired some genuinely talented artists, sculptors and 3d artists, they could clean up in an absolutely massive way. Unfortunately they still seem to be stuck in the "near enough is good enough" mindset which plagued the first KoW kickstarter.

**DaveC**

Well I'll be sticking with Manics Sci-Fi offerings only it looks like seeing the miniatures from the open day has convinced me that their fantasy range is not for me. They just saved me money on the Kow KS and extras for DS (I'll stick with the base pledge). On the other hand it looks like Deadzone 2 and Warpath will take that money - you Mantic you win