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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/08 00:51:57
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Combat Jumping Ragik
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the_scotsman wrote:Every codex release since CSM:
1 three model big infantry model kit.
1 Riptide sized giant unit
2-4 fewer named characters.
1 obligatory day 1 DLC unoriginal codex supplement with no new models.
I counter with Dark Eldar...
We only got the 2nd 2... and it greatly affected my decision to continue not playing 40k. I like the direction GW is going... in fantasy. But for 40k they took my favorite army & the only one I truly enjoyed anymore & gave them the shaft.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/08 01:09:05
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Shas'O Dorian wrote:the_scotsman wrote:Every codex release since CSM:
1 three model big infantry model kit.
1 Riptide sized giant unit
2-4 fewer named characters.
1 obligatory day 1 DLC unoriginal codex supplement with no new models.
I counter with Dark Eldar...
We only got the 2nd 2... and it greatly affected my decision to continue not playing 40k. I like the direction GW is going... in fantasy. But for 40k they took my favorite army & the only one I truly enjoyed anymore & gave them the shaft.
The new DE book is very competitive. I just placed in a tourney with them. Beat space marines, eldar, and daemons.
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" $@#& YOU! There are 3 things I want in a guy: Tall, Handsome, and plays Dark Eldar!"-every woman since
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/08 01:18:27
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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What were your and your opponents lists?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/08 01:19:53
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Combat Jumping Ragik
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Dalymiddleboro wrote:
The new DE book is very competitive. I just placed in a tourney with them. Beat space marines, eldar, and daemons.
Ok... I don't see how this affects my point...
I didn't get any new models to paint / convert. I didn't get anything actually I had stuff taken away.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/08 01:26:03
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Dalymiddleboro wrote: The new DE book is very competitive. I just placed in a tourney with them. Beat space marines, eldar, and daemons. Your dark Eldar army isnt even close to being painted. I doubt you have played in a tournament with your Dark Eldar... which you are trying to sell some of. Unless you enter tournaments with unpainted armies in which case you are just being hypocritical. Either way, take what this guy says with a grain of salt. Not that it really matters, its just that comment annoyed me for some reason...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/08 01:42:14
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
On moon miranda.
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lots of events allow unpainted armies, they just won't do well in painting/hobby categories.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/08 01:46:42
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Vaktathi wrote:lots of events allow unpainted armies, they just won't do well in painting/hobby categories.
He placed?
I may be wrong, but im fairly sure you cant place if your army isnt painted in most tournaments.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/08 02:07:32
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Combat Jumping Ragik
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In the US the painted requirement is VERY low if existent at all. Especially for 40k, Fantasy still mostly has a painted & based requirement..
Some tournaments just do 1st 2nd 3rd (battle points), best paint & favorite opponent.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/08 02:09:07
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Shas'O Dorian wrote:In the US the painted restriction is VERY low. Especially for 40k.
Some tournaments just do 1st 2nd 3rd (battle points), best paint & favorite opponent.
Wow... I take that back then. My buddy is into GW tournaments and once his army was below standard he dropped 6 places.
Usually for any game if you walk in with an unpainted force you arent gonna do very well. Regardless of battle points.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/08 02:16:33
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Combat Jumping Ragik
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GW doesn't do official tournaments in the US anymore.
As for painting again it's technically on a tournament by tournament basis but the general trend is Fantasy requires it while 40k doesn't.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/08 10:06:13
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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Shas'O Dorian wrote:GW doesn't do official tournaments in the US anymore.
As for painting again it's technically on a tournament by tournament basis but the general trend is Fantasy requires it while 40k doesn't.
Wow, that's tough. Then again Games workshop dosent pass great tornements in stores anyway...
Seriously, if they want a game to sell they need to support it in all the areas where there is and/or a potential fan base. The US is a large place wich any other company would take advantage of. Bigger country ussaly means a larger fan base.
In Ireland (Well the Rublic) there is only one official Games workshop store, though they do at least have regular events.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/08 13:34:15
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Beautiful and Deadly Keeper of Secrets
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The cheap pods have some issues, namely that the one everyone wants doesn't get the inertial dampener, and the other costs as much as a land raider.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/08 14:23:01
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Combat Jumping Ragik
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dakkajet wrote: Shas'O Dorian wrote:GW doesn't do official tournaments in the US anymore.
As for painting again it's technically on a tournament by tournament basis but the general trend is Fantasy requires it while 40k doesn't.
Wow, that's tough. Then again Games workshop dosent pass great tornements in stores anyway...
Seriously, if they want a game to sell they need to support it in all the areas where there is and/or a potential fan base. The US is a large place wich any other company would take advantage of. Bigger country ussaly means a larger fan base.
In Ireland (Well the Rublic) there is only one official Games workshop store, though they do at least have regular events.
Our issue IS our size. IT would take an immense amount of resources to expand to cover all the US. Plus GW stores suck compared to local ones.
GW Store:
Full retail - GW product only - Short staff - Focus on sales
Local Game Store:
10-20% off - Any gaming product I want - Usually multiple staff on duty - Focus on growing an enviroment to drive sales
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/08 21:35:05
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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In most U.S. tourneys, you can enter place or even win with unpainted armies.
Different tournies score differently. In my area, you get ..
1. A set # of points for a win
2. A set # of points for a loss
3. Extra points for secondary objectives.
4. 1 point for having your army painted
5. 1 point for having it based
...until you can get enough points for a full win if you have all of the hobby extras.
This means that if you have all the extras, you get a huge boost towards placing/scoring.
A guy playing with an unpainted/finished army who places therefore has to do very well which is a good view towards the player/skill/codex.
I usually place and have gotten 2nd once and 1st once with my guard but without the hobby extras, I would not have.
Of course, this is just in my area. other areas will score differently but I think variations of this are populer.
BUT, I can see the point. It doesnt seem the codex is any worse, just different from before in that you have to juggle stuff about to remain competetive. I did notice that model-wise, the DE were rather shafted (I think you cant totally seperate the painting/modeling from the game play for obvious reasons though. I feel that they could have gotten more new shinies like the other armies did. Of course, it may be that they will be upcoming like the bug players had to wait for.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/08 22:16:55
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Fixture of Dakka
Chicago, Illinois
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I'm rather enthusiatic about things as well if they just finish up the Codexes for 7th leave things alone for a while ,but I know we are going to get 8th edition in 2 years, 2016 definitely.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/08 22:31:35
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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I think thats been our hope every edition and have had those hopes smashed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/10 15:10:58
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I can understand the OP's view to some degree. It's not all bad with GW, there are some brighter moments:
+ Out-of-schedule model releases
+ Faster codex overhaul and model release schedule
+ rules for new units in WD (this is a mixed one, but I remember the lack thereoff being one of the major criticized points of the WDW)
However, I must agree, this looks too much like a shiny coat on a shoddy paintjob underneath:
- Pricing policy, from codexes to miniatures are way out of touch with what's agreeable, no discounts, sales or loyal-customer-premiums, no nothing...
- Supplements, Expansions, Dataslates, WDW, Forgeworld lists... you have to spend as much on paper as on plastic just to keep an overview of your options for the main army, never mind allies and formations from campaign books
- Ballance. Lots of the codices still suffer from auto-includes, auto-excludes and overall questionable ballance compared to other armies
- Supplements more often than not focussing on the most balnd and boring factions, e.g. Black Legion, Ghaz' Horde, etc instead of highlighting some of the more interesting, niche subfactions.
- Removal of beloved characters or units.
- Still no progress in the story
- Model release focussed on shiny new units and expensive kits while some armies are in need of core models (CSM, looking at you) or, really, any models at all (sororitas).
And that's not touching on their store policy.
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Waaagh an' a 'alf
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/10 21:49:43
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Swastakowey wrote: Dalymiddleboro wrote:
The new DE book is very competitive. I just placed in a tourney with them. Beat space marines, eldar, and daemons.
Your dark Eldar army isnt even close to being painted. I doubt you have played in a tournament with your Dark Eldar... which you are trying to sell some of.
Unless you enter tournaments with unpainted armies in which case you are just being hypocritical.
Either way, take what this guy says with a grain of salt.
Not that it really matters, its just that comment annoyed me for some reason...
Check out the date in which I was selling / trading them. Since, I've changed my mind and have done quite a bit of painting!
If it makes you feel better, I can did the Facebook post from the tourney I came in third with, with its results. Might take some digging as the event was on 10/18.
Glad I have fans. Haters keep me fueled, so thanks! Automatically Appended Next Post:
Marines were white scars with cents. Eldar was wraith knights with wave serpents and jet bikes, daemons were typical herald spam with fate weaver and lords of change and horrors.
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" $@#& YOU! There are 3 things I want in a guy: Tall, Handsome, and plays Dark Eldar!"-every woman since
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/10 22:13:24
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought
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Ah, another positive spin on things...
HEY! That could be the GW slogan! You are onto something!!!!! This is awesome!!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/10 22:21:39
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/10 22:39:26
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Always glad to have another follower!
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" $@#& YOU! There are 3 things I want in a guy: Tall, Handsome, and plays Dark Eldar!"-every woman since
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/10 22:41:53
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/10 22:45:56
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Azrael, you're another one of my fans! I've noticed you watch every topic I make and are sure to give me support. Without fans like you this wouldn't be possible. Thanks buddy!
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" $@#& YOU! There are 3 things I want in a guy: Tall, Handsome, and plays Dark Eldar!"-every woman since
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/10 22:47:24
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Stoic Grail Knight
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I am ashamed to say I watched this for way too long.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/10 22:54:54
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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Dalymiddleboro wrote:
Azrael, you're another one of my fans! I've noticed you watch every topic I make and are sure to give me support. Without fans like you this wouldn't be possible. Thanks buddy! 
You're finding a correlation where there isn't one, I'm on here reguarly, you post daft threads more often than any other poster I know of, it is inevitible that the two will overlap sometimes. Besides, I need to keep an eye so I can spot the alter egos that pop up when "daly" is out of comission, don't I Mike?
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/10 22:57:08
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Not as Good as a Minion
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Users in this thread need to stop antagonising other users by calling them haters and intentionally ignoring the thrust of their posts. It's inflammatory and against the rules of dakka
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I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/10 22:59:29
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Cosmic Joe
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I don't pay attention to who says what. Lately I can't see posters' avatars and that's how I kept track of who's who. I don't remember names. (When I write my books I have to keep a list of who's who.) So if you see me responding to a lot of someone's posts, its because I think something ridiculous or flat-out ignorant was said.
(For the most part. Sometimes in a thread, one person derails it to a degree that I have to take notice of the 'who.')
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/10 23:02:59
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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MWHistorian wrote:I don't pay attention to who says what. Lately I can't see posters' avatars and that's how I kept track of who's who. I don't remember names. (When I write my books I have to keep a list of who's who.) So if you see me responding to a lot of someone's posts, its because I think something ridiculous or flat-out ignorant was said.
(For the most part. Sometimes in a thread, one person derails it to a degree that I have to take notice of the 'who.')
I'm quite the opposite, I don't make any real effort to do it, and it sure as hell doesn't work IRL where it would be useful, but I find keeping track of different posters just happens somewhere in my brain, to the point I can recognise a poster's writing style without needing to see the username sometimes.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/10 23:09:40
Subject: Very happy with the direction of GW!
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Cosmic Joe
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Azreal13 wrote: MWHistorian wrote:I don't pay attention to who says what. Lately I can't see posters' avatars and that's how I kept track of who's who. I don't remember names. (When I write my books I have to keep a list of who's who.) So if you see me responding to a lot of someone's posts, its because I think something ridiculous or flat-out ignorant was said.
(For the most part. Sometimes in a thread, one person derails it to a degree that I have to take notice of the 'who.')
I'm quite the opposite, I don't make any real effort to do it, and it sure as hell doesn't work IRL where it would be useful, but I find keeping track of different posters just happens somewhere in my brain, to the point I can recognize a poster's writing style without needing to see the username sometimes.
Odd. For me it's just random, faceless posters and only occasionally I see a pattern and I go "Oh, it's that guy again."
So for anyone feeling picked on, it only happens rarely when that person makes the thread about them.
Back to OP.
I always had a kind of frustrated anxiety about playing 40k due to codex and army imbalances. I never knew if I showed up with my SOB list and end up facing an bunch of heldrakes or flying crusant air-force or all IK. Or, heaven forbid, the WS eldar spam. Gross imbalances that determined victor before the game started made 40k very un-fun. For me, when I saw 7th, I saw an increase of all the things I didn't like about 40k. (lack of real strategy, imbalance, list min-maxing, pay to win.)
When I switched to other games I felt so much more relaxed that I can build an army I want and just play without worrying about being completely outmatched by list building.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/10 23:16:36
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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Agreed, while I can still have fun playing 40K, I seldom feel like my decisons are really influencing the game, as every time I make a choice as a "general" my decison is filtered through any number of stages of dice rolling. I lose count of the number of occasions where I've made a plan for a turn, with adequate failsafes and redundancies and STILL not managed to execute what I intended.
Contrast that to X Wing, where if I lose I can nearly always pinpoint things I could have done differently. Sure, luck can be a factor ( I lost an Interceptor last time I played because my oppo rolled three hits and I rolled no evades on SIX defense dice!) but I feel like I have much more input into the outcome.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
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