M0ff3l wrote:
I still think it might be possible that they just do the sample fig for everyone now, not just me. I didnt ask for it, they still did it.

 M0ff3l wrote:
I still think it might be possible that they just do the sample fig for everyone now, not just me. I didnt ask for it, they still did it.

Maybe they are reading the thread and thats why they did it, maybe they just do it for all customers now. Maybe both. I would love it if someone else who has done or is going to do a project with BTP since the tenebre thing could PM me and tell me if this is the case. (PM so that there can be no doubt about that BTP just read his post and did it..)

And the last thing before I go back to update only mode,

The picture Tenebre linked was only for the color (as the text above it clearly says), they didnt get it exactly right but I like it this way. I 100% honestly like this model (After the extra rust and the eye clean up I asked for ofcourse). If any other service had delivered this I would have been happy, if I had gotten better fromm a different service, thats my fault for not picking them then.

But saying that I am white knighting them because I like the model? Thats like saying anyone who likes [insert crappy band here]'s music is just white knighting them... Its like winterdyne said completely opinion based.

I feel like inserting my opinion on MY models has nothing to do with the review whatsoever. If you like their work, maybe give em a spin, if you hate it, dont use them.

 Rayvon wrote:
Looks to me like the OP is blatantly trying to justify his decision choosing BTP to do this job.

At the end of the day if he is happy, then more power to him, just don't take this thread as any sort of legitimate cross sample as they are obviously monitoring it.

Bagombo wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:
I still think it might be possible that they just do the sample fig for everyone now, not just me. I didnt ask for it, they still did it.

That would certainly be a rational business response to the Tenebre situation, if I was running the business, I certainly wouldn't want that to happen again.

I do see quite a bit of difference between the reference photo you gave then and this model (although the pictures are quite bad, as has been pointed out). I'm surprised they didn't note to you that you wouldn't get the quality in the reference photo for level 3 prices, it seems like a great point to introduce some upsell potential by noting that and telling you what level WOULD get you that paint job. Doesn't put any obligation on the customer, introduces the upsell, and sets the customer's quality expectations correctly.

Thanks again for updating, it's helpful to watch this process.

Steelmage99 wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Looks to me like the OP is blatantly trying to justify his decision choosing BTP to do this job.

At the end of the day if he is happy, then more power to him, just don't take this thread as any sort of legitimate cross sample as they are obviously monitoring it.

When I tried to voice that exact concern regarding the re-painting company in tenebres Chaos Dwarf thread I got flamed and accused of victim-blaming. Go figure.

 Thud wrote:
People are happily paying $10 for that?

lol

 Lockark wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Looks to me like the OP is blatantly trying to justify his decision choosing BTP to do this job.

At the end of the day if he is happy, then more power to him, just don't take this thread as any sort of legitimate cross sample as they are obviously monitoring it.

When I tried to voice that exact concern regarding the re-painting company in tenebres Chaos Dwarf thread I got flamed and accused of victim-blaming. Go figure.

The company doing the repaint is doing it for free, and don't have a questionable reputation in the community..... Not exactly comparable.

smart business building on the part of frontline in all honesty,

 tenebre wrote:

nkelsch wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:

Here is the issue... This level of paint job for nurgle is easy to do. Base colors, drybrush, details, wash in camo, and slight highlights, usually more drybrush.

It is a nice paintjob, and easy to get quickly and will look better to the eyeball than it will to a zoomed in photo.

To compare a Nurgle paint job quality, or a muddy ork to a airbrushed fire effect chaos dwarf or highly detailed arbites makes a futile exercise.

And for those who think this is anything but 'money = time' remember:
42 Dollars to paint Typhus...
You need to recover some profit, to cover company expenses.
You need you cover raw materials, paint adds up.
You need to have a slight cost for infrastructure.
So that is probably going to be 5-8$ just on 'overhead' stuff...

So even if 35$ went to the painter... That is 3 hours MAX paint job. You can't get blending and extreme highlighting in that time.

I think you will probably get decent tabletop models you probably will be happy with... but I also think nurgle are easier to paint compared to tzeeench or models with actual fleshtones. I would love to see all 4 chaos gods presented as a single job since you would run the gambit of technique, styles and paint colors with the 4 gods.

The picture above and the work produced are far from equal or even close in quality. I agree with what you said, but its the responsibility of the business to quote the price needed to produce the quality requested. I have to admit the dedication the OP has to trying to show BTP as being good awes me. It spits in the face of the community and myself personally. This commission was sent in after my problem and therefore shows direct support for the actions of BTP against the gaming community and myself.

I will not say much else on this thread, but i do feel the what the OP is trying to do here is despicable. (while as a rule I would hope no one has their models damaged, since this was done as a direct retort to my problem i could not care less)

While this is a cheap job, there are plenty of other studios who can do better work or even the same for the same cost (especially when considering shipping), so there is no reason to use BTP except to show support for their recent actions.

 melkorthetonedeaf wrote:
I really need to start a painting service.....

Steelmage99 wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

I applaud the service that Frontline has provided, and I have damned the poor excuse for service that BTP did.

I only brought up that comparing the results from Frontline and the result from BTP wouldn't be a true test, as Frontline had more information and a very understandable desire to do extra well with the public eye upon them.
This is comparable to the issue that Rayvon brought up - that BTP is doing extra well (and that is apparently a depressingly low standard) on this particular commission due to the eyes of the public being on it. Thus muddying the waters and not making this commission a true representation of how they work

I actually disagree. FLG has just as much information, as was available to BTP (ie, they could both put the artist directly in contact with ten, and were just an email/phonecall/skype/whatever away from contacting him. Both had opportunities to show WIP images, and solicit feedback.

From what Ten has said, as well, they are following the same limitations/guidelines/pricing levels as BTP would have had. Presumably, for legal reasons, they are fixing the problem, by producing the same quality output, that was promised to ten.

The main difference, might be that their incentives are different. And in that, I couldn't agree more. FLG is painting something for free, ie there's no cash to be had. The standards they are likely to be held to, are much lower, and the risk of backlash, likewise low. BTP on the other hand, charged handily for their service, and they knew they weren't dealing with a push-over who couldn't reach out to the community, when ten first brought this to their attention. The fact that they withdrew an unspecified number of options, and the only other solution they allowed was to have yet another go fixing the army, is telling. At that point, they knew as much about the public fallout as FLG does now.

FLG and BTP knew, at some stage where they could effect change, that the public eye was upon them.
FLG and BTP both have access to the same information... period.

If anything FLG isn't promoting this at all. To us thread dwellers to follow it, and the people subbed on Movie Mayhem, it means something. But to most hobbyists, I don't think it will make that much impact. When you consider the number of gamers out there, the number following this issue is probably fairly low. And FLG didn't get named early, when the buzz and outrage was at it's peak.

Which brings us to the final bit.

FLG's painting service is run by a guy named Jason. Now he's convinced the guys paying the bills at FLG that this is a good idea, but this is hundreds, if not thousands of dollars of artist time and supplies at the very least (not to mention foregone commission work) to get this sorted. It's in his interest to keep that cost as low as possible, so if anything they will be minimising the time they put into this project, while still trying to keep ten happy. This isn't some "sure thing" for FLG, that it will pay off. If they were smart (jerks) they'd have published early that they were involved, and put this issue all over their sites, and podcasts, etc.

Now, this will pay itself off (I think) over the next five years. But they are absorbing the cost now.

But this is far from a situation where FLG is at a huge advantage. If they are capable and willing to fix this for ten, for FREE. Then BTP should have been able to absorb the cost of fixing it given they'd already pocketed the money for the job. But I guess they burned their bridges, in terms of getting the army back to fix, when they perhaps intimated that they could sell the army and replace everything.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Thats actually a great looking mini. Did you convert that?

 RivenSkull wrote:
I agree that the pictures need to be better to see the details.

From the looks of it, the cloak was just given a flat coat of light beige. The shadowing doesn't look consistent and looks like it's the natural light making the tone changes.

The conversion is very good though.

 Ustrello wrote:
Good conversion, terrible pictures. Even with the new color change there is absolutely no depth to the cape and it takes away from it.

 RivenSkull wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:


Well you seem to believe anything thats read in videos without proof, so I was assuming that you would yeah, my bad!

So you should also post screenshots (with names blacked out of course) of your interactions with BTP. How are we to believe your posts in quotes of what you claim to be your interactions with BTP? You could be posting anything.

The sword cuts both ways

 RivenSkull wrote:
As this is relevant to this thread more so than the other BTP thread.

 RivenSkull wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:


Well you seem to believe anything thats read in videos without proof, so I was assuming that you would yeah, my bad!

So you should also post screenshots (with names blacked out of course) of your interactions with BTP. How are we to believe your posts in quotes of what you claim to be your interactions with BTP? You could be posting anything.

The sword cuts both ways

I suppose that you would be open to showing your emails to prove that you have in fact not informed BTP about this thread. How are we to believe your posts?

 motyak wrote:
We're going to go to Dakka Discussions with this. We can review it when we get some images of actual painting and modelling as to whether it still belongs there or here.

And to the thread in general, make sure you keep this civil. Any disagreements with users from other threads that are bought into this one are going to break several rules of the site, so don't do it

 M0ff3l wrote:

 RivenSkull wrote:
As this is relevant to this thread more so than the other BTP thread.

 RivenSkull wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:


Well you seem to believe anything thats read in videos without proof, so I was assuming that you would yeah, my bad!

So you should also post screenshots (with names blacked out of course) of your interactions with BTP. How are we to believe your posts in quotes of what you claim to be your interactions with BTP? You could be posting anything.

The sword cuts both ways

I suppose that you would be open to showing your emails to prove that you have in fact not informed BTP about this thread. How are we to believe your posts?

The majority of people posting here already believes they know about it anyways, so what does it matter lol, and I gladly invite you to pm me your skype name, I will video share my emails folder with you and you can see every email you want


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 motyak wrote:
We're going to go to Dakka Discussions with this. We can review it when we get some images of actual painting and modelling as to whether it still belongs there or here.

And to the thread in general, make sure you keep this civil. Any disagreements with users from other threads that are bought into this one are going to break several rules of the site, so don't do it

oh and reported

 M0ff3l wrote:

 RivenSkull wrote:
As this is relevant to this thread more so than the other BTP thread.

 RivenSkull wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:


Well you seem to believe anything thats read in videos without proof, so I was assuming that you would yeah, my bad!

So you should also post screenshots (with names blacked out of course) of your interactions with BTP. How are we to believe your posts in quotes of what you claim to be your interactions with BTP? You could be posting anything.

The sword cuts both ways

I suppose that you would be open to showing your emails to prove that you have in fact not informed BTP about this thread. How are we to believe your posts?

The majority of people posting here already believes they know about it anyways, so what does it matter lol, and I gladly invite you to pm me your skype name, I will video share my emails folder with you and you can see every email you want

 M0ff3l wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
Good conversion, terrible pictures. Even with the new color change there is absolutely no depth to the cape and it takes away from it.

As I said 3 posts above yours, I requested him to do just a flat white cloak.. I dont think any commission service on the world can do a plain white cloak with depth etc in it. So if you think its ugly, then you can tell me I dont have taste, but you cant blame it on the artist.

 Toofast wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
Good conversion, terrible pictures. Even with the new color change there is absolutely no depth to the cape and it takes away from it.

As I said 3 posts above yours, I requested him to do just a flat white cloak.. I dont think any commission service on the world can do a plain white cloak with depth etc in it. So if you think its ugly, then you can tell me I dont have taste, but you cant blame it on the artist.

I can do a white cloak with depth in it and I don't even consider myself an excellent painter, let alone work for one of the largest painting services in the industry. Paint white, wash with nuln oil or agrax, paint very thin layers of white paint over it, drybrush white to pick out and highlight the raised portions. Not only is it not impossible, it's not even that difficult even for a mediocre painter.

 Toofast wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
Good conversion, terrible pictures. Even with the new color change there is absolutely no depth to the cape and it takes away from it.

As I said 3 posts above yours, I requested him to do just a flat white cloak.. I dont think any commission service on the world can do a plain white cloak with depth etc in it. So if you think its ugly, then you can tell me I dont have taste, but you cant blame it on the artist.

I can do a white cloak with depth in it and I don't even consider myself an excellent painter, let alone work for one of the largest painting services in the industry. Paint white, wash with nuln oil or agrax, paint very thin layers of white paint over it, drybrush white to pick out and highlight the raised portions. Not only is it not impossible, it's not even that difficult even for a mediocre painter.