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Omg.. The paint job was much much worse then I first thought.. I coulden't see it in the pictures but on video it was super clear, the white on the cloak looks horrible! And did you see the hood? They clearly failed to block the colors, they got paint from the pelt on it.. How can anyone consider BTP to be a good painting service when this is the best they can do? And be sure that they are putting effort into it, seeing they know about this thread. Just compare it to the competition out there.. DOI??

I just noticed, they didn't drill the Obliterators..

It looks like they didn't bother with the eyes on the daemon flesh on the Hellbrute..

 Reality-Torrent wrote:
Omg.. The paint job was much much worse then I first thought.. I coulden't see it in the pictures but on video it was super clear, the white on the cloak looks horrible! And did you see the hood? They clearly failed to block the colors, they got paint from the pelt on it.. How can anyone consider BTP to be a good painting service when this is the best they can do? And be sure that they are putting effort into it, seeing they know about this thread. Just compare it to the competition out there.. DOI??

I just noticed, they didn't drill the Obliterators..

It looks like they didn't bother with the eyes on the daemon flesh on the Hellbrute..

I didnt drill the obliterators, they werent paid for any assembly work asside from the havocs (which they ended up doing for free)

Damn I missed a lot after I stopped following this thread. Can anyone give a TLDR please?

OP sent very specific instructions of exactly what he wanted. BTP partially deliver (some models have unrequested free hand, whereas others have some mistakes with the blocking in of colours).

BTP provided pic updates and made changes based on feedback.

Lots of posts complaining about the models GS work, lack of drilling on weapons and so on, but these are the OPs work, not BTP's.

Lots of posts saying BTP are being lazy by mainly painting through base/drybrush/wash, but I get the impression this is the level the OP requested for his rank and vile.

So basically lots of attacks on BTP on things they don't deserve to be attacked on (modelling work, and basic level paintjob) but some fair criticisms too (mistakes blocking in colour).

nareik wrote:
OP sent very specific instructions of exactly what he wanted. BTP partially deliver (some models have unrequested free hand, whereas others have some mistakes with the blocking in of colours).

BTP provided pic updates and made changes based on feedback.

Lots of posts complaining about the models GS work, lack of drilling on weapons and so on, but these are the OPs work, not BTP's.

Lots of posts saying BTP are being lazy by mainly painting through base/drybrush/wash, but I get the impression this is the level the OP requested for his rank and vile.

So basically lots of attacks on BTP on things they don't deserve to be attacked on (modelling work, and basic level paintjob) but some fair criticisms too (mistakes blocking in colour).

He requested rank and vile, classic!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bluetablepainting/sets/72157647485459253/

pictures are up

The one thing that stands out to me as something I would not be happy with is the free hand on the Rhino, the use of the light green to try to clean the edges of the black on the big one looks sloppy, black shows through in a few places.

Well as long as the OP is happy I suppose.

Still nothing to write home about, though it is one of their lower levels.

I can't help but feel after this and Ten's thread that other services are still a better deal overall.

Thanks for finishing this through to the end.

Oh look, my dudes...

Winterdyne, your Arbites are looking amazing, love the more realistic vibe to them, and great placement of color.

 M0ff3l wrote:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bluetablepainting/sets/72157647485459253/

pictures are up

So what they couldn't even paint the eyes on typhus? or even the eyes on the plague marines all the way. Also the free hand is even worse in the pictures than on the video. Also going back to the eyes they didn't paint them all the way on the helmeted marines and they had overflow on the bionic eyes.

I don't like the OP at all, but even with them watching this you still got screwed and if I were you I'd put the screws to the miniature painting service known as blue table painting and get them to actually fix the horrid eyes and free hand.

 Ustrello wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bluetablepainting/sets/72157647485459253/

pictures are up

So what they couldn't even paint the eyes on typhus? or even the eyes on the plague marines all the way. Also the free hand is even worse in the pictures than on the video. Also going back to the eyes they didn't paint them all the way on the helmeted marines and they had overflow on the bionic eyes.

I don't like the OP at all, but even with them watching this you still got screwed and if I were you I'd put the screws to the miniature painting service known as blue table painting and get them to actually fix the horrid eyes and free hand.

I'm with this guy.

I'm not here to attack modeling errors, because we all make them (myself included, I misdrilled a Storm Bolter and now it's muzzle is crooked, who cares?)

However, that paint job... That is NOT a decent table top job, that, my friend, is poor.

I do better than that AND charge less.

Ill start from the top i guess.

1: Kudos to OP, the Cypher model is possibly the best Cypher conversion i have seen to date, so kudos there.

2: The librarian, while simple, is very effective and in general pretty damn solid.
So again, Kudos to the OP.

3: The fact that nearly everything from DV has a use is great and shows it can be done time and time again.


Ok, on to the painting.

1: Seems like alot of very beginner mistakes that a commission painter should not be making.
Mainly seems like missed areas or areas that have been patched up badly, like a few brush marks you can see the covering on.
This is something that really should be checked as i will admit, even when painting a few models its easy to overlook this, so a few final checks would not go amiss.

2: Freehand.
Not sure where to start really.
I know its nurgle themed, but poor coverage with the base colours, very wonky lines (quick fix with tape)
Just seems like a great idea that didnt go as planned.
Maybe this was because of the painting level?
Im unsure of what stage they start freehand though.

3: in general its just alot of sloppy mistakes which are easily spotted, so to reiterate, final checks are essential!



Now, my biggest point.
Photography!
For a commission company, this should be the bread and butter that attracts customers to them or reassures and builds trust with customers they have.

They could freehand the mona lisa onto a cloak and it would look poor all because of this poor quality of pictures.

I cant stress enough at how damaging poor pictures could be to people.



Take a quick look at any commission thread (winterdyne, GMM, ifalna, jah etc.... just a few from the top of my head)
Their pictures are flawless.
As such, their work is represented very well because of this (and the fact they are all amazing painters)


Without good quality pictures, i really see this going down hill.





Now, in general, you get a few iffy messages here and there about commission work.
Granted alot is down to choice and taste, but alot of this here does come down to small mistakes on BTP's part with the painting.
Their work is being posted on a very popular forum and the commission is represented in this, so you would think they would go the extra mile with anything for just the advertising alone.



Thats just my thoughts anyway.
At the end of the day, if OP is happy then he has what he wanted from his money, and in his eyes it would be worth it.
But as i said, just my opinion

Whats up with the "Highlights" in the bolters??? Ive not Seen such sloppy and rushed work from any other painting service.

If an opponent puts that army on the table and they've painted it themselves, I say well done. Not everyone can paint to amazing standards, and I consider that a perfectly acceptable tabletop standard. The conversion work stands out especially as being very well executed, with only a few mistakes worth mentioning (the holes on the drilled out guns not being central).

Should I feel the need to be critical about anything I would say that the freehand is quite poor and stands out as rubbish even from the relatively low standard of the rest of the paint job.

That's if I felt the need to be critical of somebody's home painted army.

As a professional job I call the whole lot rubbish, even at the low end of Blue Table Painting's miniature painting service price list.

I wanna know why there is so much brush hair/flock hair on your Typhus model. Surely they would remove that before a picture. Jesus thats a lot of hair. especially on his back

 conker249 wrote:
I wanna know why there is so much brush hair/flock hair on your Typhus model. Surely they would remove that before a picture. Jesus thats a lot of hair. especially on his back

I think that is snow flock, but it looks like they kinda drizzled it from above onto the base when there are tons of other better options.

I looked at all the pictures, there is flock hair on every single model except Cypher, assault cannon terminator, one biker, and the banner holder. Even the rhinos have a few. My ocd kicking in

I will be blunt. That freehand on the rhino looks garbage.

Witch to me is confusing to me. With painting tape that design should of been EASY for a supposed perfesstional painting company to do.

I have no words for how bad I think that work is from a professional standpoint.

'fething disgusting' comes close, but doesn't quite have the vehemence I'm looking for.

Edit: Removed image of work. I don't really think the comparison is worthwhile.

What dollar value was involved here? $1,200?

Yeah that is probably too much. I could paint better than that, and I am pretty bad - I'd say I am average at best, but obviously a rookie. That Rhino freehand is so shockingly bad, it isn't even centred, and as others have pointed out, could have been done with some painters tape in about 10 minutes.

Sorry about your purchase.

kb_lock wrote:
What dollar value was involved here? $1,200?

It was $800.

 Blacksails wrote:

kb_lock wrote:
What dollar value was involved here? $1,200?

It was $800.

740$ really, they ended up doing the havoc launchers for free.

Really? Op had put down a $450 deposit with $650 to pay from what I saw - there must have been an update I missed.

If it is $800, that is still pretty high

kb_lock wrote:
Really? Op had put down a $450 deposit with $650 to pay from what I saw - there must have been an update I missed.

If it is $800, that is still pretty high

The deposit was 65% of the total. Don't add the two numbers, just worry about where it says total and ignore the deposit.


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 M0ff3l wrote:


740$ really, they ended up doing the havoc launchers for free.

As they should have. I was super sketched out by them even attempting to charge that amount for that little work/bits.

Been following this from the get go. I was interested to see where it'd go.

All I can say from the pics we've been shown is ouch.

Based on what has been shown, I believe that this has served as a warning not to use this service.

Thanks moff3l for posting the final pics. I genuinely hope you are happy with your army.

Considering how public this process has been, I'm pretty stunned at the sloppiness of some of the work though. The freehand is a disgrace. When you compare their standards to some of the other studios on dakka, it's like night and day.

$740 is far less horrible, I probably wouldn't do it for less than that (were I to do commissions, which I wouldn't because I suck) - as for the quality, well I'd be getting them to fix up the Rhino and whatever else, but that is really up to OP

Akragth wrote:
Based on what has been shown, I believe that this has served as a warning not to use this service.

Yeah this, unfortunately

M0ff3l I hope you are happy with your Nurgle army and had a pleasant experience with Blue Table Painting. Your conversion work is awesome, I agree with others in that your Cpher is just amazing. You did a fantastic job and you deserve to be happy with this army.

That said, BTP had to know that this was going to be a very critical project due to the nature of this topic and everyone watching it in response to Ten's Chaos Dwarf fiasco. This paint job is just...lacking and sloppy. As someone else said, if this were a random persons paint job I would say it looks good. For a professional company to put their name on it, it is just not up to snuff. It lacks professionalism and care that a paid product should exhibit and the details are there for all to see, the paint job does not do the conversion work justice.

What i haven't heard is what the OP thinks.

Wow...just wow. The freehand is awful. The army overall isn't horrible but not something I would've paid $740 for.