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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 04:38:29
Subject: US & China reach climate change agreement after secret talks
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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China, America and Our Warming Planet
By JOHN KERRY NOV. 11, 2014
BEIJING — The United States and China are the world’s two largest economies, two largest consumers of energy, and two largest emitters of greenhouse gases. Together we account for about 40 percent of the world’s emissions.
We need to solve this problem together because neither one of us can solve it alone. Even if the United States somehow eliminated all of our domestic greenhouse gas emissions, it still wouldn’t be enough to counteract the carbon pollution coming from China and the rest of the world. Likewise, even if China went down to zero emissions, it wouldn’t make enough of a difference if the United States and the rest of the world didn’t change direction.
That’s the reality of what we’re up against. That’s why it matters that the world’s most consequential relationship has just produced something of great consequence in the fight against climate change.
Today, President Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping are jointly announcing targets to reduce carbon emissions in the post-2020 period. By doing this – together, and well before the deadline established by the international community – we are encouraging other countries to put forward their own ambitious emissions reduction targets soon and to overcome traditional divisions so we can conclude a strong global climate agreement in 2015.
Our announcement can inject momentum into the global climate negotiations, which resume in less than three weeks in Lima, Peru, and culminate next year in Paris. The commitment of both presidents to take ambitious action in our own countries, and work closely to remove obstacles on the road to Paris, sends an important signal that we must get this agreement done, that we can get it done, and that we will get it done.
This is also a milestone in the United States-China relationship, the outcome of a concerted effort that began last year in Beijing, when State Councilor Yang Jiechi and I started the United States-China Climate Change Working Group. It was an effort inspired not just by our shared concern about the impact of climate change, but by our belief that the world’s largest economies, energy consumers and carbon emitters have a responsibility to lead.
The targets themselves are also important. Ambitious action by our countries together is the foundation to build the low-carbon global economy needed to combat climate change. The United States intends to reduce net greenhouse gas emissions by 26 to 28 percent below 2005 levels by 2025 – a target that is both ambitious and feasible. It roughly doubles the pace of carbon reductions in the period from 2020 to 2025 as compared to the period from 2005 to 2020. It puts us on a path to transform our economy, with emissions reductions on the order of 80 percent by 2050. It is grounded in an extensive analysis of the potential to reduce emissions in all sectors of our economy, with significant added benefits for health, clean air, and energy security.
Our target builds on the ambitious goal President Obama set in 2009 to cut emissions in the range of 17 percent below 2005 levels by 2020. We are on track to meet that goal, while creating jobs and growing the economy, with the help of a burgeoning clean energy sector. Since the president took office, wind energy production has tripled and solar energy has increased by a factor of ten. This summer, the Environmental Protection Agency proposed the first carbon pollution standards for existing power plants, which account for a third of United States carbon pollution.
The Chinese targets also represent a major advance. For the first time China is announcing a peak year for its carbon emissions – around 2030 – along with a commitment to try to reach the peak earlier. That matters because over the past 15 years, China has accounted for roughly 60 percent of the growth in carbon dioxide emissions world-wide. We are confident that China can and will reach peak emissions before 2030, in light of President Xi’s commitments to restructure the economy, dramatically reduce air pollution and stimulate an energy revolution.
China is also announcing today that it would expand the share of total energy consumption coming from zero-emission sources (renewable and nuclear energy) to around 20 percent by 2030, sending a powerful signal to investors and energy markets around the world and helping accelerate the global transition to clean-energy economies. To meet its goal, China will need to deploy an additional 800 to 1,000 gigawatts of nuclear, wind, solar and other renewable generation capacity by 2030 – an enormous amount, about the same as all the coal-fired power plants in China today, and nearly as much as the total electricity generation capacity of the United States.
There is no question that all of us will need to do more to push toward the de-carbonization of the global economy. But in climate diplomacy, as in life, you have to start at the beginning, and this breakthrough marks a fresh beginning. Two countries regarded for 20 years as the leaders of opposing camps in climate negotiations – have come together to find common ground, determined to make lasting progress on an unprecedented global challenge. Let’s ensure that this is the first step toward a world that is more prosperous and more secure.
John Kerry is the secretary of state of the United States.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 04:45:10
Subject: Re:US & China reach climate change agreement after secret talks
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Colonel
This Is Where the Fish Lives
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Interesting.
I can't wait for this though:
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 04:47:52
Subject: Re:US & China reach climate change agreement after secret talks
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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As if China will actually do anything it promises. They must maintain their growth, and they will protect that above all other concerns.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 08:15:55
Subject: Re:US & China reach climate change agreement after secret talks
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Grey Templar wrote:As if China will actually do anything it promises. They must maintain their growth, and they will protect that above all other concerns.
I was going to replace China with the US.
If China fail its obligations does that preclude the US from maintaining them?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 09:22:58
Subject: Re:US & China reach climate change agreement after secret talks
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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How dare you suggest that the United States would ever renege on a treaty!
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 09:36:30
Subject: US & China reach climate change agreement after secret talks
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Perfect Shot Dark Angels Predator Pilot
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Lol yeah as if the two biggest economies are going to do anything that may jeopardise them
they've got something up their sleeves i wonder which smaller countries are gonna miss out on something
or be severly fethed up by either of them!!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 11:01:22
Subject: Re:US & China reach climate change agreement after secret talks
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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So how likely is President Obama to get this off the ground in his own country?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 11:07:42
Subject: Re:US & China reach climate change agreement after secret talks
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The Main Man
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Mr. Burning wrote:If China fail its obligations does that preclude the US from maintaining them?
Of course not. Just look at NATO.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 11:34:19
Subject: US & China reach climate change agreement after secret talks
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I'm sure my esteemed Senator will do whatever he can to keep the evil lie of climate change from ruining our freedoms.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 11:39:23
Subject: Re:US & China reach climate change agreement after secret talks
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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It's hard to say.
It doesn't involve any direct legislation, so he doesn't need to get anything through the Congress. He can simply have the EPA issue guidance.
Congress can countermand any guidance they issue (cutting funding, ordering no funding to be spent thusly), but doing so would involve legislation and it would obviously be vetoed by President Obama - the GOP does not have a veto-proof majority.
On the other hand, Congress can shut down some parts of rulemaking if they work hard enough I believe. I think they only need a few votes to overcome specific rules, which might be possible.
It depends how much fortitude the Obama administration is willing to show. On that, he's been pretty willing to cave on domestic priorities in the past, such as the public option. On the other hand, that was when he thought there was still compromise to be had, and he's no longer that foolish, so... hard to say.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 12:10:22
Subject: Re:US & China reach climate change agreement after secret talks
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Wooptie  in do
US agrees to reduce their emissions by 28% thereby shipping even more jobs overseas.
China the recipient of said jobs, agrees it will STOP growing greenhouse gas emissions in 2030.
When the US brought it up, did the Chinese negotiators just start laughing?
We're being led by idiots.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 12:26:36
Subject: US & China reach climate change agreement after secret talks
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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China are really kicking butt in the production of solar panels so it would not be a huge stretch for them to expand that and have every new building fitted with scores of them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 12:54:13
Subject: Re:US & China reach climate change agreement after secret talks
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
Inside Yvraine
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Frazzled wrote:Wooptie  in do
US agrees to reduce their emissions by 28% thereby shipping even more jobs overseas.
China the recipient of said jobs, agrees it will STOP growing greenhouse gas emissions in 2030.
When the US brought it up, did the Chinese negotiators just start laughing?
We're being led by idiots.
Sounds like fining and crucifying businesses for outsourcing jobs and destroying our economy just to sate their greed is the next logical step then.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 13:20:23
Subject: US & China reach climate change agreement after secret talks
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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SOunds like a plan. Look at the US coal industry.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 13:22:30
Subject: US & China reach climate change agreement after secret talks
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
Inside Yvraine
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Ayn Rand was right all along.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 13:28:01
Subject: US & China reach climate change agreement after secret talks
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Yea but Bugs Bunny was right, first!
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 15:02:27
Subject: Re:US & China reach climate change agreement after secret talks
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Not likely...
I think this is giving Obama political cover for when he signs the Keystone bill shortly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 15:07:30
Subject: Re:US & China reach climate change agreement after secret talks
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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Frazzled wrote:Wooptie  in do
US agrees to reduce their emissions by 28% thereby shipping even more jobs overseas.
China the recipient of said jobs, agrees it will STOP growing greenhouse gas emissions in 2030.
When the US brought it up, did the Chinese negotiators just start laughing?
We're being led by idiots.
Cutting emissions is not necessarily jobs lost. could just be on stuff like cars an alike. More tax incentives for green energy tends to work without any extra regulation.
We've always been led by idiots. It's been decades.
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 15:44:10
Subject: US & China reach climate change agreement after secret talks
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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If its an executive thing then its EPA. And thats a job killer.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 15:46:02
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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Because regulation always equals millions of lost jobs right  . You need stop generalizing this.
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 15:54:30
Subject: Re:US & China reach climate change agreement after secret talks
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Co'tor Shas wrote:Because regulation always equals millions of lost jobs right  . You need stop generalizing this.
Ask coal country about it.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 15:58:40
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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Co'tor Shas wrote:Because regulation always equals millions of lost jobs right  . You need stop generalizing this.
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 16:09:11
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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regulation when the EPA is involved does.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 16:13:56
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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You mean like "stop dumping PCBs in rivers"?
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 16:46:34
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Battlefield Tourist
MN (Currently in WY)
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In my industry, regultion has created hundreds of new jobs. Mostly auditors and pre-auditors, and guys who are the gophers for auditors. That type of stuff.
Regulation creates jobs!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 16:47:52
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Easy E wrote:In my industry, regultion has created hundreds of new jobs. Mostly auditors and pre-auditors, and guys who are the gophers for auditors. That type of stuff.
Regulation creates jobs!
But, what's the ROI of these regulations?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 23:05:39
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/12 23:42:23
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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China got an even better concession from Obama. His statement that "we recognise Tibet as part of the People's Republic of China. We are not in favour of independence."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/13 00:18:33
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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It's good to see Obama be more like Reagan.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/13 00:20:56
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Thane of Dol Guldur
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I bet they do all this stuff they promise, and the world still goes full-on Venus.
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