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With all the crazy changes happening, can we expect future editions of WHFB?
If there are future editions, will they take place during the end times?

How does everybody feel about the progression in story?

I've always liked the standstill, where you can have a conversation about hypothetical scenarios, and walk away knowing that in the end, the warhammer world is in a standstill.

Now the warhammer world is at much less of a standstill, and some serious s**t is about to go down.

Let me know what you all think

Thanks
Austin

i think it will resolve into a standstill again but with some power shifts and reorganizing of the lands

Its all the dream of a sleeping Slann

 Mr Morden wrote:
Its all the dream of a sleeping Slann

lmfao I hope so.

I'm guessing chaos legions/ undead legions or whatever nearly wipe out the empire. Then the skaven weaken nagash with some whacky new thing and the elves finish him of and the undead legion crumbles. Then the combined might of the elves, dwarves and the rest of the empire, lead by karl franz or whoever push back the chaos legions. Then stand still until next time

 Mr Morden wrote:
Its all the dream of a sleeping Slann

that would be nice

i'm hoping it'll all be dropped, really. the only result of it seems to be making the setting less diverse and less interesting.

It's interesting and a bit exciting. This is the first time that the world is shaking up and the story is advancing. And just look at the excitement and speed at which it is being eaten up. I'm fired up for it, let's see what's coming.

End Times has ruined WHFB. Not so much the rules changes. But the big guys.

Allow me to put it into perspective. I took a cauldron based gunline to a game vs Nagash. Four Bolt Throwers and 30 crossbows. All rerolling all failed to wound rolls.

Yet, the only method I had to reliably kill Nagash was to six dice final transmutation and hope he rolled the six.


Fluffwise, I love it.

Ruleswise, I'm not too fond, but I can deal with it.

KFA and Nagash can eat all the bags of dicks in the world.

I imagine the army/faction reorganizations and associated fluff will all stick, I expect that 9th edition will rebalance things rules wise.

Pretty cool fluff, although they have "squatted" poor Kislev and made the setting a tad less diverse.

Overall I have complaints (like I'm sure every oldschool fantasy player has minor gak to gripe about).



All Chaos gods should be given equal treatment. I don't buy this "Nurgle is either the strongest or weakest god, so it's justified" crap. Look at Realm of Chaos- that's a good way to do Chaos. Making your Chaos release so one-sided to a specific god is just not fair- admittedly, I'm speaking as a Khornian. I would have given something (if not models, some cool new unit option or wargear you can convert) to all the chaos gods.

They had lots of cool gak that was questionably canon that they could have mentioned to introduce diversity and balance out the stuff they destroyed. Are the Fimir up to anything? How about the Gods of Law, my old favorite? Maybe Solkien does something, or sends fourth with the warrior-priests of Remus in a desperate attempt to help order? I guess not.

Patience grasshopper, there are still two books to go, and my guess is the final book will be about Archaon and his horde of Khornate, Slaaneshi, and Tzeentchian warriors. The reason for Glottkin being so one sided was because, by fluff, he uses his nurgle forces as the vanguard for the main invasion to soften things up, the other 3 armies are still making their way to the old world to finish the job.

As for Kislev, I'd argue they didn't since by all accounts although theyre in a gakky situation they still exist... also, the assumed combo Empire/Brettonia list should be more than suitable for representing a warband of Kislevites.

As for the rest off them, my guess is that everything you mentioned (considering I've only heard of the Fimir out of that list) are too minor to be worth mentioning

Full disclosure I play TK and Doc(tz+ khorne)

I love the progression, I think the UL was pretty balanced, when it dropped and with KFA and all of Glotkin I think everything will level out.

Running Nagash vs KFC lists, I'm 500%

But Khaine, if 4d6 magic is legit + lore master + End times spells for every game the balance may be broke.

I bet a LoC shard and horrors list would rule the filth.

I personally hate the end times stuff.

So far its just more material for me to have to buy.

I won't be messing with it..

Thanks
Austin

I think it's a case of be careful what you wish for here. For years people have wanted the fluff to advance but GW have taken a big running jump with it. My biggest worry is many people will be disappointed by the way their army ends up, both in the fluff and on the tabletop.

The Khaine book is going to be the big tell, what state are the three Elven races going to be in come the end of it? Will they still exist or will their be one Elven nation again? I for one would be annoyed if come 9th my high elf army didn't exist anymore and I had to continue playing 8th or use counts as to field them.

 Redbad wrote:
I personally hate the end times stuff.

So far its just more material for me to have to buy.

Except you don't have to buy it. If you want to use End Times stuff then you are choosing to buy it.


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 Ugly Green Trog wrote:
I for one would be annoyed if come 9th my high elf army didn't exist anymore and I had to continue playing 8th or use counts as to field them.

Don't worry. 100% won't happen.

the only thing i dont like about it is the big monster/units it kind of takes away from what fantasy is about gamewise for me i think its becoming a little dumbed down more about who has the biggest monster rather than how well you play tactically i hope it doesnt continue like that

 kencotter wrote:
the only thing i dont like about it is the big monster/units it kind of takes away from what fantasy is about gamewise for me i think its becoming a little dumbed down more about who has the biggest monster rather than how well you play tactically i hope it doesnt continue like that

Yes, I concur, but I'm afraid that in the context of playing in the wider gaming community, this is exactly how it will continue. People seem happy to lap up the big kits, so this is what GW will provide.

That's not to say you can't keep things at a more sensible scale in your own gaming group.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Its all the dream of a sleeping Slann

Classic Mario 2 reference.

 Flashman wrote:

 kencotter wrote:
the only thing i dont like about it is the big monster/units it kind of takes away from what fantasy is about gamewise for me i think its becoming a little dumbed down more about who has the biggest monster rather than how well you play tactically i hope it doesnt continue like that

Yes, I concur, but I'm afraid that in the context of playing in the wider gaming community, this is exactly how it will continue. People seem happy to lap up the big kits, so this is what GW will provide.

That's not to say you can't keep things at a more sensible scale in your own gaming group.

yeah its a shame i have nothing against the actual kits they are beautiful sculpts and impressive but its a shame the way they are effecting the gamer as a whole, i perosonally play a skaven horde at the moment the bkiggest thing in it is my rat ogers no hellpit or warlightning for me haha

I like the storyline so far. It does suck that they cost so much and are being released so fast. After Khaine I doubt I can justify buying them anylonger.

I expect a reboot to normal after The End Times. However, the advance in storyline is to develope new characters or change existing ones to the point that they no longer look or function like they are now. We may even see a loss of an army or two. Bretonnians and Empire might merge, however the popularity of the elves will insure high and dark will remain. They left the Tomb Kings with the the ability to remain, but who knows with GW.

I really don't expect much more to change, other than army compositions and special characters

i.e. This will allow GW to make new models and anyone who wants to play a special character will need a 100% new model. Army compositions may change as well new units and loss of others. Its a buisness tactic that is currently better than the current 40K crap

The books are expensive but I budget money every month for hobbying. I just buy the books & not the models for now.

Bretonnia...and empire....merging?

I hope that NEVER EVER EVER EVER HAPPENS!!!!

please tell me this is just a bad rumor

Thanks
Austin

 Redbad wrote:
Bretonnia...and empire....merging?

I hope that NEVER EVER EVER EVER HAPPENS!!!!

please tell me this is just a bad rumor

Thanks
Austin

I've heard it a lot as a rumor, and I really, really hope it's just that. I mean, I'm fairly certain I've heard it as a rumor off and on for years, and it hasn't happened yet. so...

 toasteroven wrote:

 Redbad wrote:
Bretonnia...and empire....merging?

I hope that NEVER EVER EVER EVER HAPPENS!!!!

please tell me this is just a bad rumor

Thanks
Austin

I've heard it a lot as a rumor, and I really, really hope it's just that. I mean, I'm fairly certain I've heard it as a rumor off and on for years, and it hasn't happened yet. so...

I'll have to leave the hobby if that happens... and just use my bretonnians as very inaccurate 13th century knights or some such...
I hope it never happens

Thanks
Austin

Its all but guaranteed that elves, undead, and chaos will be consolidated. Its almost a given that empire and brettonia will see the same result. End Times is intended to be the lead up to whfb 9th, both in terms of setting/story and in terms of rules.

Aren't the various chaos and undead armies still playable as separate armies, though? Would that be how it might work with the Empire and the Bretonnians?

I just want skaven....hordes upon hordes upon HORDES!!!!!!

Its going to happen. Next book is going to be skaven they are going to come out and kill nagash or destroy a lot of stuff. The Great Horned One will come and do something.

I hope for a big vermin lord model to go along with the other big nasties that the other armies have gotten (see the forgeworld exalted vermin lord rules that would be good)

I would think the joint armies are for The End Times. As for permanent joining I doubt it, however it's possible

 Redbad wrote:


I'll have to leave the hobby if that happens... and just use my bretonnians as very inaccurate 13th century knights or some such...
I hope it never happens

Thanks
Austin

Why? Not to be mean but this sounds like just whining over nothing. I mean there is nothing stopping me from running an undead legions list using ONLY VC models. I'd bet it's safe that even if bretonnia combine with empire there would be nothing stopping you from building a solely Bretonnian force. Plus that's only necesarry IF the non combined books go away. Just because you CAN combine an army doesn't mean you have to.

My theory is that the Emperor of Mankind will nearly die in decisive battle against evil, only to be encased in a magical golden throne, kept at the brink of death. A religion will form worshiping him as a GodKing....

 Redbad wrote:

 toasteroven wrote:

 Redbad wrote:
Bretonnia...and empire....merging?

I hope that NEVER EVER EVER EVER HAPPENS!!!!

please tell me this is just a bad rumor

Thanks
Austin

I've heard it a lot as a rumor, and I really, really hope it's just that. I mean, I'm fairly certain I've heard it as a rumor off and on for years, and it hasn't happened yet. so...

I'll have to leave the hobby if that happens... and just use my bretonnians as very inaccurate 13th century knights or some such...
I hope it never happens

Thanks
Austin

Hey. Elves got united. And that is just the most idiotic thing ever.

We dark elves have a bitter hatred of our cousins on Ulthua- Oh. Tyrion's doing stuff. These guys are actually pretty cool I guess.

FURTHERMORE. WHY IS HELLEBRON STILL ALIVE AFTER SIDING WITH TYRION AGAINST MALEKITH,