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Talys wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:

Or it could go like this:

Imperium arrives
High Evolutionary devolves them into Homo Erectus and then stick them all into Omium steel cages so he can re-evolve former astartes back into astartes one at a time in order to help further his knowledge in building the perfect race. Or even a god as he himself sees fit.

<3 High Evolutionary.

There really needs to be more comics with him.

Doesn't't Colonel Iron Hand Straken have an adamantium body now? While not Wolverine level, he might take on other flesh based heroes himself.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Doesn't't Colonel Iron Hand Straken have an adamantium body now? While not Wolverine level, he might take on other flesh based heroes himself.

Id love to see that fight.

but really it is silly trying to compare fictional materials of the same name to other fictional materials unless we could get somekinda base line (like how do they react to various steels cross fluff)

also wonder how MU would deal with void shields (or if it would work)

Taking away all warp powered things would just be a hella handy cap against 40k so it seems very unfair.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Surely any Marvel Psychics suddenly become vulnerable to the predations of Daemons?

Does not need to. The soul of a psyker, including a space marine archivist, is a beacon that attract the creature of the warp. The creature of the warp have trouble invading stuff because they need to pierce the fabric of reality to do so. The Marvel Universe has so many alternate reality, and retcons, and reboots, that the fabric of reality is wet paper tissue thin then. One archivist comes into the Marvel Universe, and bang, full-scale demonic invasion. Good luck killing stuff that cannot be kill. Enjoy your Angron versus the Hulk match.

One key difference between the Marvel Universe and the Warhammer Universe is that in Warhammer (and 40k), it's a battle between factions, and even if "evil" wins, there is a winning faction (Chaos), and a loser (Imperium). The 40k world is also limited to one galaxy, right?

In the Marvel Universe, the difference between winning and losing, at times, has been the existence of the entire universe.

Another key difference is that, except for Uncle Ben, nobody stays dead in the Marvel Universe. Even Bucky came back.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
Surely any Marvel Psychics suddenly become vulnerable to the predations of Daemons?

Does not need to. The soul of a psyker, including a space marine archivist, is a beacon that attract the creature of the warp. The creature of the warp have trouble invading stuff because they need to pierce the fabric of reality to do so. The Marvel Universe has so many alternate reality, and retcons, and reboots, that the fabric of reality is wet paper tissue thin then. One archivist comes into the Marvel Universe, and bang, full-scale demonic invasion. Good luck killing stuff that cannot be kill. Enjoy your Angron versus the Hulk match.

Ehm... no.

Being that the Warp does not exist in the MU, then having Space Marines... or anything else from the 40K universe... invade it does not suddenly make the characters of the MU subject to the rules of the 40K universe. So while the invading 40Kers might still need to deal with Perils and all that, the MU psychics and wizards and all don't. Their powers aren't Warp-based.

The warp is the alternate dimension where psychic powers exist. I've seen on some of the cartoons where the psykers (like professor x) 'look' or move/travel their minds through this dimension. Thats pretty much what cerebro does, focusing in on the 'mutant' energies.

The warp isn't the difference between the two universes, the existence of daemons is. In the marvel universe, the warp is tranquil and free for the most part, but you still get the occasions where a dead psychic character is lurking in there biding their time to attack someone back in the real world.

My 2 cents anyways.

I don't think so. The psychic dimension that MU characters sometimes visit is called the Astral Plane, not the Warp. (And no, it's a different Astral from the AD&D one)

Well, anyhow, I would like my Tigurius to have the Infinity Gauntlet

Or Soul Gem! Or even a cosmic cube

Bran Dawri wrote:
I don't think so. The psychic dimension that MU characters sometimes visit is called the Astral Plane, not the Warp. (And no, it's a different Astral from the AD&D one)

Well the whole concept of the Warp is that it has always been there, and that 40k is simply a future version of the real world, as opposed to MU which is an alternate universe to our own and takes place in the same time period. Assuming that the Warp has always been there, is it really that hard to imagine that it has been discovered and was known by people throughout the ages? People have been called witches and sorcorers for centuries for seemingly mystical powers. Is it really a stretch to say what MU calls Astral Plane, 40k calls the Warp? Also don't forget that in 40k timeline, the Warp didn't really start throwing things about until the Long Night, somewhere between the DAoT and Great Crusade, beforehand it was generally peaceful enough. Bringing 40k stuff to MU migt cause it react similarly.

 Deadshot wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:
I don't think so. The psychic dimension that MU characters sometimes visit is called the Astral Plane, not the Warp. (And no, it's a different Astral from the AD&D one)

Well the whole concept of the Warp is that it has always been there, and that 40k is simply a future version of the real world, as opposed to MU which is an alternate universe to our own and takes place in the same time period. Assuming that the Warp has always been there, is it really that hard to imagine that it has been discovered and was known by people throughout the ages? People have been called witches and sorcorers for centuries for seemingly mystical powers. Is it really a stretch to say what MU calls Astral Plane, 40k calls the Warp? Also don't forget that in 40k timeline, the Warp didn't really start throwing things about until the Long Night, somewhere between the DAoT and Great Crusade, beforehand it was generally peaceful enough. Bringing 40k stuff to MU migt cause it react similarly.

Except there are multiple astral planes and each astral plane is believed to be a parallel universe where everything is made up of ectoplasm as a opposed to atoms. Other than that, the astral planes are nigh identical to the standard Marvel universe except vastly populated by the Mummudrai - who are the other souls that could have possessed the physical bodies in the standard Marvel universe and that your soul had to beat to possess the body you currently reside in - for whom time exists (unlike the Warp).

Also, some psychics draw their powers from the "Brimstone" Dimension, Crimson Cosmos - which is where Juggernaut also draws his powers from, Dream Dimension - another area that Doctor Strange can draw power from although risky, The Continuum - in which Amatsu-Mikaboshi (now the Chaos King) resides as the primal embodiment of nothingness and primordial chaos that served as a natural opposing power to both Eternity and Death and has been around far longer than any of the Marvel Universes... this is probably the realm most akin to the Warp and very few individuals draw their power from this realm much less are those who do so of their own free will, and etc.

Assuming that the Warp crossed over, I think it'd probably cross over into the Continuum and Amatsu-Mikaboshi wouldn't be so nice as to team up with the chaos gods, more likely he would try to make them subservient and mere extensions of his will... after he devoured them as he has done with many other god-like entities.

 King Pariah wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:
I don't think so. The psychic dimension that MU characters sometimes visit is called the Astral Plane, not the Warp. (And no, it's a different Astral from the AD&D one)

Well the whole concept of the Warp is that it has always been there, and that 40k is simply a future version of the real world, as opposed to MU which is an alternate universe to our own and takes place in the same time period. Assuming that the Warp has always been there, is it really that hard to imagine that it has been discovered and was known by people throughout the ages? People have been called witches and sorcorers for centuries for seemingly mystical powers. Is it really a stretch to say what MU calls Astral Plane, 40k calls the Warp? Also don't forget that in 40k timeline, the Warp didn't really start throwing things about until the Long Night, somewhere between the DAoT and Great Crusade, beforehand it was generally peaceful enough. Bringing 40k stuff to MU migt cause it react similarly.

Except there are multiple astral planes and each astral plane is believed to be a parallel universe where everything is made up of ectoplasm as a opposed to atoms. Other than that, the astral planes are nigh identical to the standard Marvel universe except vastly populated by the Mummudrai - who are the other souls that could have possessed the physical bodies in the standard Marvel universe and that your soul had to beat to possess the body you currently reside in - for whom time exists (unlike the Warp).

Also, some psychics draw their powers from the "Brimstone" Dimension, Crimson Cosmos - which is where Juggernaut also draws his powers from, Dream Dimension - another area that Doctor Strange can draw power from although risky, The Continuum - in which Amatsu-Mikaboshi (now the Chaos King) resides as the primal embodiment of nothingness and primordial chaos that served as a natural opposing power to both Eternity and Death and has been around far longer than any of the Marvel Universes... this is probably the realm most akin to the Warp and very few individuals draw their power from this realm much less are those who do so of their own free will, and etc.

Assuming that the Warp crossed over, I think it'd probably cross over into the Continuum and Amatsu-Mikaboshi wouldn't be so nice as to team up with the chaos gods, more likely he would try to make them subservient and mere extensions of his will... after he devoured them as he has done with many other god-like entities.

Honestly, most of what you are describing sounds exactly like the Warp. Daemons have to overpower your souls in order to possess a psyker; when they do its usually because the Psyker has overstretched himself and left vulnerable to attack by Daemons. Different versions and those other "dimensions" for lack of better word really just sound like different Chaos God's patronage, including minor gods. For example, Juggernaut sounds like a mix of Khorne or Nurgle, whereas Strange is could be considered Tzeentchian in some respects. Chaos King himself sounds like what the Chaos Gods are, embodiments of a raw emotion, concept or emotion. The only thing that's different is the time, and that is easily explained, because the time difference in 40k is caused by the roiling currents of the Warp taking them to a different entry point a galaxy away much quicker and in Marvel time (close to 21st Century) the Warp is pretty calm and stable.

Of course, they aren't exactly alike, granted, but I'd wager that the original creators of GW and 40k took some sort of inspiration from Marvel in creating the Warp. Even 40k Psykers have some connection to the X-Men psychics like Jean Grey and Xavier, in that their abilities are caused by a genetic mutation.

I only really described the Continuum and the Astral Planes in general. And really I only see the Continuum being the true Warp equivalent. I think I may not have been clear about the Astral Plane and the souls fighting... so for more in depth how it works is when a human is concieved in the material world, two souls spawn in an Astral Plane, both of them potentially your soul. Those two souls have to fight against one another with one becoming triumphant and taking it's place in a flesh and blood body while the other remains in it's corresponding Astral Plane and becomes a Mummudrai. Some have found ways to gain bodies of flesh and blood such as Cassandra Nova, Professor Xavier's twin sister who was originally supposed to be his other soul but found a way to possess Xavier's twin's body - whom Xavier killed in the womb but Cassandra finds a way to come back later on.

So the astral plane is something more akin to limbo except for the could have been's and never were's. Some of the souls just go about their lives in those parallel universes, some of them seek a second chance at a flesh and blood body. Amusingly, Harry Potter's Dementors are similar to these souls as if a person of flesh and blood is unfortunate enough to somehow wind up in their presence, all their hopes and dreams are stripped away from them (usually just an unintentional side effect). So the astral planes are actual universes unto themselves with all the dimensions we experience are experienced there in, while the Warp is more akin to both a parallel universe where time has no meaning or at least is as easily traversable as our first 3 dimensions, and a mirror of emotions of the Materium. And beings in the Astral Plane can die just as easily as us, except in the Marvel Universe, when they die, that's the end, there is no afterlife for them as opposed to everything else.

I guess just as a little sidenote, souls don't go back to the Astral Plane though they can use it as a bridge of sorts to converse with the living. Bad/unworthy souls go to the Brimstone Dimension (Yep, Hell), no idea what the place good/worthy souls go is called aside from Heaven - which again is completely separate from the Astral Plane.

As for Juggernaut, the Crimson Cosmos are definitely more Tzeentchian, Juggernaut possessed the Cyttorak Ruby - an artifact of Cyttorak (a entity of more neutral alignment, he's given gifts to Dr. Strange), the ruler of the Crimson Cosmos - which gave him his immense strength but it turns out the uses of the power in the ruby are limited to one's imagination and so Juggernaut never has been able to harness the full potential of the gem because he is, in short, a meathead. Other's have been able to use the gem to fantastical extents.

And a little sidenote, Dr. Strange can draw power from all the realms, one of the benefits of being Sorcerer Supreme though he never touches the Continuum.

The Hell-lords (Mephisto, Bamphamet, Asmodeus, Lucifer, etc.) are all rulers of their own dimensions and compete with each other for human souls

Kind of strange, though, they never seem to compete for Kree or Skrull souls (and there are a lot more of those!), yet clearly Mephisto has access to souls from Zenn-La, since he offered to Silver Surfer his wife's (Shalla Bal) soul

Talys wrote:
The Hell-lords (Mephisto, Bamphamet, Asmodeus, Lucifer, etc.) are all rulers of their own dimensions and compete with each other for human souls

Kind of strange, though, they never seem to compete for Kree or Skrull souls (and there are a lot more of those!), yet clearly Mephisto has access to souls from Zenn-La, since he offered to Silver Surfer his wife's (Shalla Bal) soul

They're all actually in the Brimstone Dimension. They just have carved out parts of it for themselves

edit: there's at least one exception: Dormammu with his Dark Dimension, though he only really goes for souls he thinks are worthy trophies like Dr. Strange

For example, Juggernaut sounds like a mix of Khorne or Nurgle, whereas Strange is could be considered Tzeentchian in some respects.

Ehm... no.

He's the Juggernaut, b*tch.

NAASFW (Not At All Safe For Work):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSuvOVH0aSQ

How is this a contest? Their are DC/Marvel characters who could solo 40k by themselves.

 Psienesis wrote:
So while the invading 40Kers might still need to deal with Perils and all that

“All that” being possible possession, or even being turned into a freaking portal open to the depths of the warp through which horrible legions of demons can invade realspace. That is why the Imperium hates psykers so much.
So, yeah, the archivist is turned into a grand portal, demon invasion and all that .
No Marvel character involved.