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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 08:53:19
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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So, I was looking for the trailer yesterday and found a fake trailer first.
I am happy to say the fake trailer looked better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 10:10:54
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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Courageous Grand Master
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As much as I admire people's enthusiasm for the new film, I think an awful lot of people are going to be disappointed next year.
So much so, that the mods will be pushing carts around these forums and shouting bring out your dead
We've been here before with the Phantom menace and the nerd rage unleashed after that debacle was something to behold.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 10:15:42
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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Not a fan of corporate sponsorship in films.
Detracts from the story too much.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 10:31:28
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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reds8n wrote:
Not a fan of corporate sponsorship in films.
Detracts from the story too much.
Joking aside, that gif is useful to support my exhaust port theory.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 11:22:04
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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Making Stuff
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reds8n wrote:
Not a fan of corporate sponsorship in films.
Detracts from the story too much.
It's mostly quite subtle, though...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 11:22:57
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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The Main Man
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It looks like they meant to turn a landspeeder into a tractor. Or vice versa.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 11:49:05
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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Solahma
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My first reaction was just:
: blink :
I honestly did not know what to make of it. Like most fans from way back, I have a million questions about this film. And the teaser seemed to answer, or even hint at answering, precisely none of them.
Putting aside my perspective as a fan, however, I think this teaser trailer does communicate something really important about The Force Awakens: there is a genuine stylistic break here from what we should call the Lucas look. Detractors of Mr. Lucas never tire of pointing out his hokey dialog and missing characterization. But as a visual storyteller, a man who shows rather than tells, his style is not only clear -- it's practically iconic.
Take a look at that shaky shot of the Storm Troopers in their drop ship, the frenetic foreground lighting in the X-Wing cockpit, and more than anything else the way the camera forcefully trudges along behind the Dark Sider, punctuating his movements. You will not find this kind of stuff in a George Lucas film. It has a very, very fresh feel. Even the climactic shot of the spiraling Falcon feels brand new, thanks to keeping our perspective upside even as the ship rights itself to the ground, twisting us around gradually as it zooms in and pans up, with the TIEs flying right into our faces.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 11:55:17
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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Courageous Grand Master
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Manchu wrote:My first reaction was just:
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I honestly did not know what to make of it. Like most fans from way back, I have a million questions about this film. And the teaser seemed to answer, or even hint at answering, precisely none of them.
Putting aside my perspective as a fan, however, I think this teaser trailer does communicate something really important about The Force Awakens: there is a genuine stylistic break here from what we should call the Lucas look. Detractors of Mr. Lucas never tire of pointing out his hokey dialog and missing characterization. But as a visual storyteller, a man who shows rather than tells, his style is not only clear -- it's practically iconic.
Take a look at that shaky shot of the Storm Troopers in their drop ship, the frenetic foreground lighting in the X-Wing cockpit, and more than anything else the way the camera forcefully trudges along behind the Dark Sider, punctuating his movements. You will not find this kind of stuff in a George Lucas film. It has a very, very fresh feel. Even the climactic shot of the spiraling Falcon feels brand new, thanks to keeping our perspective upside even as the ship rights itself to the ground, twisting us around gradually as it zooms in and pans up, with the TIEs flying right into our faces.
Please don't lock me out for disagreeing with a mod
but
I disagree 100%
This visual look has got Peter Jackson and Lotr stamped all over it.
Lucas did a lot for sound and special effects, I'll give him his due there, but the Lotr films pushed back the boundaries in my book.
Even a well known Ridley Scott film from 30+ years ago has a better visual appeal than this.
There's nothing wrong with it from a visual appeal - it's good, but it's not spectacular.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 12:00:25
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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The Main Man
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Manchu wrote:My first reaction was just:
: blink :
I honestly did not know what to make of it. Like most fans from way back, I have a million questions about this film. And the teaser seemed to answer, or even hint at answering, precisely none of them.
Putting aside my perspective as a fan, however, I think this teaser trailer does communicate something really important about The Force Awakens: there is a genuine stylistic break here from what we should call the Lucas look. Detractors of Mr. Lucas never tire of pointing out his hokey dialog and missing characterization. But as a visual storyteller, a man who shows rather than tells, his style is not only clear -- it's practically iconic.
Take a look at that shaky shot of the Storm Troopers in their drop ship, the frenetic foreground lighting in the X-Wing cockpit, and more than anything else the way the camera forcefully trudges along behind the Dark Sider, punctuating his movements. You will not find this kind of stuff in a George Lucas film. It has a very, very fresh feel. Even the climactic shot of the spiraling Falcon feels brand new, thanks to keeping our perspective upside even as the ship rights itself to the ground, twisting us around gradually as it zooms in and pans up, with the TIEs flying right into our faces.
Please don't lock me out for disagreeing with a mod
but
I disagree 100%
This visual look has got Peter Jackson and Lotr stamped all over it.
Lucas did a lot for sound and special effects, I'll give him his due there, but the Lotr films pushed back the boundaries in my book.
Even a well known Ridley Scott film from 30+ years ago has a better visual appeal than this.
There's nothing wrong with it from a visual appeal - it's good, but it's not spectacular.
What about it reminds you of LotR? Because I see what Manchu is talking about, but I'm having trouble seeing what you're referring to. LotR didn't have a lot of shaky camera work, extreme lighting, or long weaving shots with changing perspective.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 12:08:30
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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Nah, no Peter Jackson here. He does a lot of cross movement steady pans and zooms. Jackson's tight angle zooms on character faces, which you pretty much never see Lucas do, should be as recognizable as an Abrams lens flare. You don't see that kind of thing in the Force Awakens teaser. But you don't see that more classic Lucas style, either, where the camera is always steady and the shots are always framed up squarely to give you a sense of mythic storytelling.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 12:20:12
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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Maybe back during THX1138, American Graffiti, and the original Star Wars* Lucas was a "show not tell" guy but he hasn't been that man for several decades, and certainly wasn't for the prequels.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 12:20:15
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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Manchu wrote:Nah, no Peter Jackson here. He does a lot of cross movement steady pans and zooms. Jackson's tight angle zooms on character faces, which you pretty much never see Lucas do, should be as recognizable as an Abrams lens flare. You don't see that kind of thing in the Force Awakens teaser. But you don't see that more classic Lucas style, either, where the camera is always steady and the shots are always framed up squarely to give you a sense of mythic storytelling.
Yeah, exactly. The Stormtrooper scene on the shuttle with the shaky camera and lights flashing on and off: Lucas never would have done that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 12:22:43
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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Hordini wrote:Yeah, exactly. The Stormtrooper scene on the shuttle with the shaky camera and lights flashing on and off: Lucas never would have done that.
I agree with that, I just don't agree that Lucas was much of a visual storyteller recently. He used to be, but that guy was killed by success and replaced with something much darker.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 12:24:00
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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Solahma
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Ahtman wrote:he hasn't been that man for several decades, and certainly wasn't for the prequels.
I disagree -- Padme and Anakin's romance makes zero sense from the perspective of their dialog or character development. But if someone just showed you all of the scenes where they're travelling to Naboo and then on the gondola ride and then picnicing in the grass and hanging out by the fire place, you'd have no trouble believing these kids are really into each other. But with the words, with more than just the moving pictures, the shots, and the angles, audiences are left scratching their heads. It looks like they should be in love but we have nothing else to back that up. Quite the reverse. Nor would Jackson. But Abrams does that kind of kinetic stuff all the time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 12:32:40
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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Manchu wrote:you'd have no trouble believing these kids are really into each other
I think this is the first time anyone has ever said that in regards to the film.
Words or not I had trouble believing they were in the same room at the same time let alone really had a lot of chemistry with one another, and that isn't entirely Christen or Portman's fault.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 12:33:44
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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The Main Man
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Manchu wrote: Nor would Jackson. But Abram's does that kind of kinetic stuff all the time.
Yes, sorry. That's what I meant. Neither Lucas nor Jackson would have done that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 12:37:33
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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Solahma
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I'm not talking about the acting (although I agree what happened wasn't their fault as actors) but rather the visual storytelling. Lucas perfectly illustrates (in the sense of an illustrator) the height of romance. The whole thing falls apart because films are more than pictures. There's also pacing, plot, and characterization. These other elements ... let's just say Lucas never mastered them ... In any case, my point is not to argue that Lucas is a good film maker (although I believe he is a visionary film maker). I am saying his visual style is iconic. And this teaser trailer makes a big, big break. In fact, I think that the main point of the teaser, given we learn nothing at all about the plot or characters or even theme of Force Awakens, is precisely to show off the new visual style.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 13:16:00
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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Fixture of Dakka
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In my view, George Lucas has a great talent for creating a story, he just isn't very good at telling it.
The prequel trilogy actually had a very good plot going on in the background, namely Palpatine's sleight of hand in creating a threat to justify building a clone army at his control, while the heroes chase their tails tackling what they perceive is the more immediate threat.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 13:18:33
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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Flashman wrote:In my view, George Lucas has a great talent for creating a story, he just isn't very good at telling it.
The prequel trilogy actually had a very good plot going on in the background, namely Palpatine's sleight of hand in creating a threat to justify building a clone army at his control, while the heroes chase their tails tackling what they perceive is the more immediate threat.
Yeah. I think George is probably best as a producer, when paired with a strong director who isn't afraid to say "no" or "how about this instead?" from time to time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 13:46:20
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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Looked fairly ho hum to me.
I'll keep an eye out of course but Im not a fan of Abrams overall.
I didnt actually hate the last 3 films and found them slightly more watchable on repeat viewings. However they werent great either.
Despite the Lucas bashing that sometimes goes on, the originals were just good old sci fi swashbuckling fun imo.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 13:51:17
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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When you look at A New Hope, it is a very simple and straightforward story. And of course that's the best movie Lucas ever directed. Each of the prequels has a much more complicated story than ANH -- I mean, much much much more complicated. They're all about smoke and mirrors, duplicity, hidden agendas, suspicion, and mysteries. All those wrinkles demand a director with lots of skill at developing characters, which is a weak point for Lucas. What little character development occurs in ANH is completely crude. (ESB is so much more "grown up" in this respect.) Where ANH excels, even surpassing ESB, is its epic scale. Because it's not about persons at all, but rather archetypes. The prequel trilogy is much more character-driven (being all about Anakin, after all) and it was really a poor choice for Lucas. He must have had a severe lack of self-awareness to make one of his weakest points as an artist the focus of this huge project.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 13:54:09
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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Hordini wrote: Flashman wrote:In my view, George Lucas has a great talent for creating a story, he just isn't very good at telling it.
The prequel trilogy actually had a very good plot going on in the background, namely Palpatine's sleight of hand in creating a threat to justify building a clone army at his control, while the heroes chase their tails tackling what they perceive is the more immediate threat.
Yeah. I think George is probably best as a producer, when paired with a strong director who isn't afraid to say "no" or "how about this instead?" from time to time.
Lucas's strength, I think, is in his vision. Going into Star Wars, he knew exactly what he wanted in terms of tone, style, and it not story, then at least setting. Given that, at the time, it hadn't really been done before, I think that producing Star Wars from the start is a great achievement. As you say, he just needs an editor/director willing to challenge him slightly, and I'd add a writer that is capable of creating a script to match the vision. Which is why I'm very pleased they've got the man behind Empire Strikes Back in this one...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 14:28:04
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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ds9lord wrote: The EU is a massive pile of gak with some decent stuff occasionally. Ditching it was the best thing they could have done.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! my heart..
Take a deep breath. Yes, Thrawn is gone. Yes, Rogue Squadron and Corran Horn are apocrypha. On the other hand, 'The Crystal Star' never happened. Luke's various Mom's weren't actually practitioners of the White, Grey, or Rainbow force. The Tyranids never accidentally absorbed a BDSM planet and invaded the SW galaxy as the Yuuzanvong. For every bright spot lost, another 2 or 3 were expunged. Overall, I think SW fans won.
I wonder- will there be a Death Star? JJ Abrams is going seriously old school with all of these concept art inspired pieces, could we see something like this http://a.dilcdn.com/bl/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2014/01/29-Assault.png
Perhaps it is Force activated and automated- designed to be used with minimal crew- just one Force capable man? And the Trisaber is the key to the ignition?
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Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
Gwar- "And everyone wants a bigger Spleen!"
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I admire your aplomb and instate you as Baron of the Seas and Lord Marshall of Privateers.
Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
Orkeosaurus, on homophobia, the nature of homosexuality, and the greatness of George Takei.
English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleyways and mugs them for loose grammar.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 14:28:40
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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I'm wondering if it is infact Andy Serkis' voice that we hear over the trailer. I definitely think this film will be like Empire in tone, perhaps darker if the leaked rumours are true. I can see this first part of it being on Tatooine, the Falcon scene being them leaving the planet with the defected stormtrooper on board. I'm not sure how I feel about a darker Star Wars with the particular leaked rumours. Hopefully there's a fair amount of light heartedness in there as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 14:31:26
Subject: Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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Apparently it is Serkis doing the voiceover.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 14:35:33
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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Gitzbitah wrote:Take a deep breath. Yes, Thrawn is gone. Yes, Rogue Squadron and Corran Horn are apocrypha. On the other hand, 'The Crystal Star' never happened. Luke's various Mom's weren't actually practitioners of the White, Grey, or Rainbow force. The Tyranids never accidentally absorbed a BDSM planet and invaded the SW galaxy as the Yuuzanvong. For every bright spot lost, another 2 or 3 were expunged. Overall, I think SW fans won.
There's nothing stopping them from using the good parts though. They're just not bound to any of it. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Rogue Squadron make an appearance at some point in the new films (they're in Empire, after all), and even characters like Thrawn and Corran Horn could be a possibility (although likely different than what we've seen in the EU).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 14:39:26
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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I wonder if he's playing that cyborg that we've seen art of. Certainly his mo-cap skills could fit the bill for something heavily augmented.
He's perhaps talking about the awakening of force abilities in Han and Leia's children. The Darkside and the Light. The brother being the darkside, the daughter being the light. She definitely recalls a more Luke Skywalker vibe to me. Especially in that speeder outfit.
I'm particularly interested in what flashback scenes there will be, whether they will be actual flashbacks or if the film will start 20/30 years ago then jump to the "present".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 14:39:54
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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This Is Where the Fish Lives
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Gitzbitah wrote:Take a deep breath. Yes, Thrawn is gone. Yes, Rogue Squadron and Corran Horn are apocrypha. On the other hand, 'The Crystal Star' never happened. Luke's various Mom's weren't actually practitioners of the White, Grey, or Rainbow force. The Tyranids never accidentally absorbed a BDSM planet and invaded the SW galaxy as the Yuuzanvong. For every bright spot lost, another 2 or 3 were expunged. Overall, I think SW fans won.
One bright spot for only two or three BS things? I'd argue that there is far more stupid gak in the EU than gems.
Frankly, I'm glad they ditched it; I'd rather see a new story than hope they picked the interesting stuff from the quagmire that was the EU and put it on screen. I couldn't be more excited by this film especially now that my girls are getting interested in Star Wars... I just know how exciting seeing Star Wars movies made me when I was a kid (and still do!) so I can't wait for my kids to have that experience.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 15:03:10
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:As much as I admire people's enthusiasm for the new film, I think an awful lot of people are going to be disappointed next year.
So much so, that the mods will be pushing carts around these forums and shouting bring out your dead
We've been here before with the Phantom menace and the nerd rage unleashed after that debacle was something to behold.
Don't forget Lucas was involved with those and he's never been a good story teller or director. Those of us who were between 11 - 15 when Episode IV came out will always have a soft spot for it, but Empire was the better movie... and we all know why  )
With regard to the little droid there is far too much focus on this (on all boards). It could have no more baring on the film tan the droid that runs away from Chewie in Star Wars.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/11/29 15:07:00
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Force Awakens International Teaser Trailer
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I really hope they call the Solo kids Jaina and Jacen, if just as a fan-service easter egg.
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