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So the solution is to make French toast!

 streamdragon wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Not sure about the 3-bladed saber, seems like it could be rather difficult to use without Vadering one's own arm off, but I'm sure they'll work around it...

Blades are short enough that shouldn't be an issue. I think it's more to protect from a "slide down the opponent's blade and cut an arm off", ala Obi-Wan defeating Grievous in Ep. III.

Rollerball droid is what I can't get past for some reason.

Rest of the trailer has me pretty hyped, but I'm also a bit hesitant at the shaky cam and flashy part with the stormtroopers. If they're just there for the teaser that's all well and good. I'm not a fan of their use in actual film though.

One thing I'm trying to remember is if the snowspeeders on Hoth kicked up snow the way the X-Wings are kicking up the sand on Tatooine. I mean, there are a plethora of ways to explain the difference, but I'm struggling to remember Star Wars repulsor engines actually kicking up debris.

Simply the motion of the air around the moving object would be enough to throw up light debris like sand and snow... was there really a need to question logic such as this?

Finally watched it. And I'm still kinda excited about it. Mostly because I loved the Star Trek movies (and I am a trek nerd) that JJ directed and can't wait to see what he does with a universe he loves.

 Flashman wrote:
Love this from John Boyega in response to those making negative "storm troopers should all be white" remarks.

John Boyega wrote:
"Thank you for all the love and support! The fan mail and fan art has added to my joy! Isn't it crazy that Star Wars is actually happening? I'm in the movie but as a star wars fan I am very excited. A year is a long time but it will be worth the wait.

To whom it may concern: Get used to it. "

Do people have a problem with him because he's black, or because he isn't Temura Morrison? I've seen Boyega's response to "criticism" of his casting, but I haven't seen any of the actual criticism, so I can't tell if people are being racist (possible, but unlikely given the franchise has the coolest black dude in space ever: Lando) or if they are being anal-retentive obsessive fanboys upset that Boyega isn't Temura Morrison which means he isn't a clone and since storm troopers are descendants of clone troopers, he can't be a storm trooper (far, far more likely given how nerds tend to act).

A lot of it is very racist to be fair. Just google it and you'll find stuff soon enough. Obviously not posting what I've seen here.

There's a bit of both, with the racism part potentially being because people can't use their words like proper grown-ups.

It's also worth noting that post-Clone Wars, the Stormtroopers were not purely Clone Troopers. They started taking "mongrels"(read: normal humans) into their ranks.

There was also the whole Spaarti cloning nonsense, where the Empire was taking genetic templates from high performing "mongrels" and fast-cloning them.

 Kanluwen wrote:
There's a bit of both, with the racism part potentially being because people can't use their words like proper grown-ups.

It's also worth noting that post-Clone Wars, the Stormtroopers were not purely Clone Troopers. They started taking "mongrels"(read: normal humans) into their ranks.

There was also the whole Spaarti cloning nonsense, where the Empire was taking genetic templates from high performing "mongrels" and fast-cloning them.

Why do people insist on bringing up EU information when the EU is no longer remotely canon? Sure, Disney might use it, but for the time being it is pure speculation.

We have no idea what's under Stormtrooper helmets and the only time someone described them physically in the OT was "aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper?" That could imply several things, including 1) they're still clones or 2) they have a height requirement. Personally, I'd go with the latter since they were modeled after the SS which originally did have a height requirement.

Its very silly given that in none of the prequels did we ever see a Stormtrooper take his helmet off.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Its very silly given that in none of the prequels did we ever see a Stormtrooper take his helmet off.

We never saw stormtroopers in the prequels.

The lack of helmet removal in the OT was apparently very deliberate. There was a scene intended for one of the early Marvel comics that had off duty stormtroopers with their helmets off, that Lucas insisted be removed. No explanation was given at the time, but his story now is that he had always intended for them to be clones.


Not sure how he would have explained the height differences of the original trilogy troopers.

herp derp

meant original trilogy

 insaniak wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Its very silly given that in none of the prequels did we ever see a Stormtrooper take his helmet off.

We never saw stormtroopers in the prequels.

The lack of helmet removal in the OT was apparently very deliberate. There was a scene intended for one of the early Marvel comics that had off duty stormtroopers with their helmets off, that Lucas insisted be removed. No explanation was given at the time, but his story now is that he had always intended for them to be clones.


Not sure how he would have explained the height differences of the original trilogy troopers.

Maybe the budget didn't allow for him to cast everyone the same height or it was simply an oversight or possibly not that important?

 trexmeyer wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Its very silly given that in none of the prequels did we ever see a Stormtrooper take his helmet off.

We never saw stormtroopers in the prequels.

The lack of helmet removal in the OT was apparently very deliberate. There was a scene intended for one of the early Marvel comics that had off duty stormtroopers with their helmets off, that Lucas insisted be removed. No explanation was given at the time, but his story now is that he had always intended for them to be clones.


Not sure how he would have explained the height differences of the original trilogy troopers.

Maybe the budget didn't allow for him to cast everyone the same height or it was simply an oversight or possibly not that important?

No. At the time it was a desire to make the Stormtroopers faceless goons.

Then George decided to make them Clones, and claims to have intended it all along(but thats obviously not true)

Yeah, there's been a few things that have come up since he started on the prequels which Lucas claims were intended all along which are either doubtful or flat out changes.

Like Lucas' insistence that Star Wars was always Anakin's story, and so there were never going to be more than 6 movies, despite him saying in interviews back in the 80s that his aim was for three trilogies...

The Luke-Leia relationship is the classic example of George suddenly deciding that he intended something different "all along."

 gorgon wrote:
The Luke-Leia relationship is the classic example of George suddenly deciding that he intended something different "all along."

Yes, the originally planned version of Return of the Jedi was actually pretty cool...

Luke does have a sister, but she isn't Leia (presumably axed due to the hassle of introducing another key character).
Han dies at some point (during the escape from Jabba's palace IIRC).
And more importantly, the final battle is set on Kashyyk not Endor i.e. rather than short furry creatures hitting storm troopers over the head with small rocks, you would have had wookies tearing their arms off (or whatever a U certificate would have allowed).

I think it was still Endor. Kashyyk didn't exist yet AFAIK.

The reason for the switch was, as I recall, that they simply couldn't find enough 7'+ people to play wookies. And making that many costumes would have been difficult.

In universe, while having access to a ready supply of excellent slave labor would be a good thing, Kashyyk would have been too high profile of a location to build the Death Star II. So a relatively unknown and uninhabited(by advanced sentients anyway) system would be preferable.


Having Luke's sister still be unknown would have made a nice jumping off point for the next trilogy. Han dying would have been a little lame, and I think would make a Luke-Leia matchup seem forced. Leia and Han were perfect for each other though.

 Grey Templar wrote:
I think it was still Endor. Kashyyk didn't exist yet AFAIK.

Yes, I stand corrected. Endor was to be populated by wookies not ewoks.

They didn't need lots of tall people to play wookies, they just needed lots of short people to play storm troopers. Any other scenes could have been done with false perspective.

 Flashman wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
I think it was still Endor. Kashyyk didn't exist yet AFAIK.

Yes, I stand corrected. Endor was to be populated by wookies not ewoks.

They didn't need lots of tall people to play wookies, they just needed lots of short people to play storm troopers. Any other scenes could have been done with false perspective.

"Aren't you a little...."

Too easy....

*walks away*

Meanwhile for those keen to squeeze every last drop of meaningful information from the trailer, Mr Serkis has confirmed it is his voice...

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=42880

Did a great job of altering it. Its almost completely unrecognizable as him.

So I wonder what sort of character he is playing? Probably an alien, definitely not a droid. Voice wasn't metallic enough.

Best parody trailer is best.

NSFW for one instance bad language.

 Grey Templar wrote:
I think it was still Endor. Kashyyk didn't exist yet AFAIK.

I thought Christmas Special came out before RotJ?

Yea the Christmas special came out in 1978. I thought the other two came out in the early 80s or something.

 trexmeyer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
There's a bit of both, with the racism part potentially being because people can't use their words like proper grown-ups.

It's also worth noting that post-Clone Wars, the Stormtroopers were not purely Clone Troopers. They started taking "mongrels"(read: normal humans) into their ranks.

There was also the whole Spaarti cloning nonsense, where the Empire was taking genetic templates from high performing "mongrels" and fast-cloning them.

Why do people insist on bringing up EU information when the EU is no longer remotely canon? Sure, Disney might use it, but for the time being it is pure speculation.

We have no idea what's under Stormtrooper helmets and the only time someone described them physically in the OT was "aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper?" That could imply several things, including 1) they're still clones or 2) they have a height requirement. Personally, I'd go with the latter since they were modeled after the SS which originally did have a height requirement.

If you want to completely ignore the EU and use only evidence in both the original and prequel trilogies, I think the biggest argument for Stormtroopers not being clones is that in the OT, none of the officers are clones, and in the PT, outside of the Jedi, a large number of the officers are clones.

Height requirements were common in a lot of different armies during the early 20th century.

The British Army had a minimum of 160 cm during WW1(which was later altered)


As for the Officers we see in the movies, none of those men are Stormtroopers. They're either Army or Navy officers. Of course this assumes they keep some of the minor organizational details from the EU. No reason not to.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Height requirements were common in a lot of different armies during the early 20th century.

And even earlier than that. The Napoleon height jokes came about because his personal guard were required to be, IIRC, at least 6 ft tall, which make a man of 5'7" look smaller by comparison, despite that being the average height of his time.

I just want this to be a good movie. It is so exhausting trying to remain a fan of the franchise sometimes.

I really wish they would have gone fresh and jumped back in time to the first Jedi-Sith war and gotten away from all the issues with 'modern' Starwars. I know it's not canon anymore, but I'd have loved to see early Jedi first deploying the distant ancestors of Lightsabers - like with backpack power supplies and crap against Sith Alchemy.

Start fresh, y'know?

Or failing that I am really looking forward to movies that don't have Jedi at all. It's a whole galaxy, I want to see stories that do not have Jedi/Sith protagonists. There is so much more there than waving around a lightsaber. I'd love to see a straight up Western set on Tatooine - so long as it has nothing to do with the Skywalkers and their baggage - or some other genre of movie set in the Starwars universe.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Height requirements were common in a lot of different armies during the early 20th century.

And even earlier than that. The Napoleon height jokes came about because his personal guard were required to be, IIRC, at least 6 ft tall, which make a man of 5'7" look smaller by comparison, despite that being the average height of his time.

Plus the french foot was still in use, which was different from the english foot the US uses today. He was only like 5' in french feet, but converted to english it was 5'7. Apparently the french have really long feet.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Height requirements were common in a lot of different armies during the early 20th century.

The British Army had a minimum of 160 cm during WW1(which was later altered)


As for the Officers we see in the movies, none of those men are Stormtroopers. They're either Army or Navy officers. Of course this assumes they keep some of the minor organizational details from the EU. No reason not to.

That's exactly my point though. A lot of the army officers in the PT are clones. Many of the pilots (who would also be officers) are clones in the PT as well, while we know that there are non-clone pilots in the Empire (for example Biggs and everyone else who went to the academy).

Not Episode VII related but some cool starwars art

http://techgnotic.deviantart.com/journal/Star-Wars-A-New-Hope-495635243