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 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
I didn't see it mentionned, but the carnifex is also on a new base

You didn't look too hard.

In all fairness to you, the bitching about the Carnifex base change may be in the Tryanid and Blood Angels threads, as Deathstorm's contents are being heavily discussed in both.

 Big Blind Bill wrote:
I agree with the other posters guessing that the new bases will be reserved for jump pack or bulky infantry units.

This is not the case, we already know that new BA tactical marines are on bigger bases, so this seems to at least affect all power-armoured marines.

Well, hurray for collecting Ravenwing and Deathwing.

This more than anything else annoys me. Im not rebasing all my models because GW is trying to screw 3rd party senic base makers. I can't WAIT till im at some tourney with prize support and that guy try's to get me DQ'd for illegal base sizes.

 Orock wrote:
This more than anything else annoys me. Im not rebasing all my models because GW is trying to screw 3rd party senic base makers. I can't WAIT till im at some tourney with prize support and that guy try's to get me DQ'd for illegal base sizes.

As has been mentioned many, many times already, you won't have to. I think some of you are just trying to invent drama.

UltraPrime wrote:

 Orock wrote:
This more than anything else annoys me. Im not rebasing all my models because GW is trying to screw 3rd party senic base makers. I can't WAIT till im at some tourney with prize support and that guy try's to get me DQ'd for illegal base sizes.

As has been mentioned many, many times already, you won't have to. I think some of you are just trying to invent drama.

There is always the possibility that GW might suddenly declare that now you have to use the most current base size for their events.
Whether or not any non-GW tournaments would give a flying feth about such a declaration from GW is another matter entirely.

There is a chance I may sprout wings. But I doubt it.

 Accolade wrote:
I wonder if GW is going to start selling bags of 32mm bases...

They are. There's a bag of 10 available to pre-order right now.

Edit: ah, actually there's a bag of 10 showing up in the search in their site, but if you try to open the actual page for that item, it just gives an error at the moment
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/32mm-Round-Bases-x10

Someone could easily make the argument that with smaller bases, you can fit more guys into meelee and get an advantage. Now obviously with larger bases less of your guys are vulnerable to small blast templates as well. This is just a piss poor thought out idea.

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 Orn wrote:
This more than anything else annoys me. Im not rebasing all my models because GW is trying to screw 3rd party senic base makers. I can't WAIT till im at some tourney with prize support and that guy try's to get me DQ'd for illegal base sizes.

As has been mentioned many, many times already, you won't have to. I think some of you are just trying to invent drama.

You're naive to think it won't happen. It may not be the big name tournies but I've been to local ones where they did require you to be on current bases. I've also had newer players who never played during the older editions who told me that both my 25mm based termies and my RT landraider were illegal. Don't underestimate the ignorance of the playerbase and tourny organizers since tgey are drawn from that same playerbase. I don't expect it to become a common issue though for at least 4-5 years though.

Exactly, it's not going to happen overnight, but 4-5 years from now you may see the 32mm everywhere. If GW even survives that long.
Besides, if basic SM tacticals get repackaged with the new bases, how will you know if your opponent is just claiming he bought his before the "Great Base Change of 2014" instead of after? At least with the old terminators, you can tell that they're the old terminators.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Besides, if basic SM tacticals get repackaged with the new bases, how will you know if your opponent is just claiming he bought his before the "Great Base Change of 2014" instead of after?

Who cares?

If you bothered to read my whole post, you would understand my point is that, in time, if all marines use the new base, how will you prove to a tournament organizer that your marines with 25mm bases were bought before the change? I personally couldn't care less, but others are far more competitive than I.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
If you bothered to read my whole post, you would understand my point is that, in time, if all marines use the new base, how will you prove to a tournament organizer that your marines with 25mm bases were bought before the change?

You can't and no sane person would ask you to do so.

I personally couldn't care less, but others are far more competitive than I.

Then this is an easy way to find out that they are not the sort of people one wants to play with.

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 Orock wrote:
This more than anything else annoys me. Im not rebasing all my models because GW is trying to screw 3rd party senic base makers. I can't WAIT till im at some tourney with prize support and that guy try's to get me DQ'd for illegal base sizes.

As has been mentioned many, many times already, you won't have to. I think some of you are just trying to invent drama.

In my experience, models having to be on proper bases is super important in tournaments for games like Warhammer Fantesy and Warmahoards. If your TO is use to running tournament format for thows games he will put the same expectation on the 40k tournament.

I have played in tournments were if you use the old metal terminators, your expected to have them based on the 40mm base like the current models for example.

The reasoning is that well Warhammer 40k isn't as balanced as thows games were base sizes can make a huge difference, the base size of models still has a impact on the game. For friendly pick up games, no one is going to care. For tournaments, you will need to just hear what your TO expects of people.


Well playing friendly pick up games I won't care if your guys are on the 25mm base, it would bug me if I was playing ageist you in a tournament setting and your guys are not on the current base size for the unit.

What happens when you have a 5 man squad, 3 25 mm bases and 2 32 mm bases? You can use the 32mm bases inbetween each 25mm to protect you from templates a bit better, and sacrifice them first so when you get to meelee the 25 mm bases fit in better. Our stores that guy blood angels player is already planning on doing just that with his "new" death company and "old" death company models.

This potential move reminds me of the following school-yard scenario

Child A: ''Can I play POGs with you guys?''
Child B: ''Sure, do you have your own ones?''
Child A: ''Yea I do!''
Child B: ''Oh, those are the old release from last week, we can't play with those''
Child A: ''Why's that? They're the same''
Child B: ''Well, no the shiny POGs in the current edition are slightly less grippy and so they play differently, also they're a little bit bigger in diameter''
Child A: ''But does it matter? I can still play can't I?''
Child B: ''No you need to buy the newer, slightly larger ones, go away''

A week later

Child A: ''I've got the new slightly larger new edition POGs now, can I play''
Child B: ''Oh, yesterday they released a new edition where the slammers are slightly bigger, you don't have one so no you can't.''

For the reference, POGs are a game: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogs

If you don't like it, substitute with Magic the Gathering or some other collectable game.




If this is true and GW are introducing a new base to be 'official' in their store games / tournaments....

People have played Square based daemons for years. If there was a serious issue you use a proxy base to resolve the issue than return to the game as usual.

The situations where having a 7mm difference in base sizes will actually make a difference in game are much more likely to occur in hypothetical situations than in any real game occurance.

One problem I can forsee is fitting models onto the upper levels of ruins. It was always a pain getting my big squads of devastators and scouts to fit on the upper floors.

There are many situations where having an extra 7mm makes all the difference.

I'm not of the opinion that Warhammer bases is one of them

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

There is always the possibility that GW might suddenly declare that now you have to use the most current base size for their events.
Whether or not any non-GW tournaments would give a flying feth about such a declaration from GW is another matter entirely.

Seeing as they have never done this before, I don't see why anyone would draw that conclusion.

It would be totally impractical anyhow, because all of the stores, GW and otherwise, have product on the shelf that's 25mm, and it's not as if scout squad boxes fly off the shelves.

Switching my green tide to 32 mm will suck. And it will take up a soooooo much more space on the board lol

Soo far it's only Space Marines affected. The Genestealers are still on 25mm bases.

 Wulfmar wrote:
There are many situations where having an extra 7mm makes all the difference.

I'm not of the opinion that Warhammer bases is one of them

In all honesty, I'm all up for the 32mm bases: it means extra "diorama" space and miniatures actually fitting inside the base. I don't believe we'll either be forced to re-base any miniature nor that there will be too many complaints if the minis aren't using one of those shiny new 32mm either because, ya know, people were playing before "The Great Bloody Base Revolution of 12-2014".

And if someone does, we now know someone we may not want to play. Ever!

 Lockark wrote:
In my experience, models having to be on proper bases is super important in tournaments for games like Warhammer Fantesy and Warmahoards. If your TO is use to running tournament format for thows games he will put the same expectation on the 40k tournament.

I have played in tournments were if you use the old metal terminators, your expected to have them based on the 40mm base like the current models for example.

The reasoning is that well Warhammer 40k isn't as balanced as thows games were base sizes can make a huge difference, the base size of models still has a impact on the game. For friendly pick up games, no one is going to care. For tournaments, you will need to just hear what your TO expects of people.

GW rules are original base or current base. Of course, people can say whatever they want for their own games, but a tournament that insists that all units be rebased to 32mm would be an empty tournament. You can't even *buy* the vast majority of units in 32mm, or buy 32mm blanks. And no store operator is going to say, "you can't play with any of the 25mm models on our shelf", because then they would not sell anything

What you're describing is something 5 or more years from now, when stores exhausted most inventory, and GW has transitioned *everything* to new bases. And probably 10th edition rules. Even then, private tournaments would likely follow GW tournaments on this.

Base size matters or Termies wouldn't be on 40mm. If GW was sane like other titles with standard bases for unit types the size would relate to a clear threat range.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

In all honesty, I'm all up for the 32mm bases: it means extra "diorama" space and miniatures actually fitting inside the base. I don't believe we'll either be forced to re-base any miniature nor that there will be too many complaints if the minis aren't using one of those shiny new 32mm either because, ya know, people were playing before "The Great Bloody Base Revolution of 12-2014".

And if someone does, we now know someone we may not want to play. Ever!

Yeah, from a modelling standpoint, it's a no brainer. There are many 25mm base models that literally have no space to do anything on, or where the model tips over unweighted (like standard bearers).


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 Theduke07 wrote:
Base size matters or Termies wouldn't be on 40mm. If GW was sane like other titles with standard bases for unit types the size would relate to a clear threat range.

Except, not really, because you can still play old termies on 25mm.

When termies went 40mm, the models actually got a lot bigger. You can't fit a new terminator on a 25mm base. The old terminators were only slightly bulkier than regular space marines.

Talys wrote:
What you're describing is something 5 or more years from now, when stores exhausted most inventory, and GW has transitioned *everything* to new bases. And probably 10th edition rules. Even then, private tournaments would likely follow GW tournaments on this.

GW is running Tournaments Again?

I thought they did not Sponsor Tournaments anymore?

 Theduke07 wrote:
Base size matters or Termies wouldn't be on 40mm. If GW was sane like other titles with standard bases for unit types the size would relate to a clear threat range.

Termies are on 40mm bases because of scale creep of the models made them look stupid on 25mm bases and GW already produced 40mm bases.

Also termies gained 15mm on a 25mm base, that's more than a 50% increase in size, and it's still legal to use 25mm bases on your old models.

The 7mm difference on the new tacticals would require a situation where 5 of them were shoulder to shoulder in a straight line before the difference equaled a single base length.