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So, everybody has made a list or two that is just a couple points too big. Does your group agree to a grace number, or no? How big is it?

In my local group it's okay to have 3 points over the allotted value, although if you do, your opponent goes first.

My group doesn't , but I would not care if someone was a little over.

And no I have never made a list over. If the point value is say 2000 then my list is 2000 or less. I've never understood the going over. If most of the people can do it then every one can do it.

 The Internet is for Khorn wrote:
Does your group agree to a grace number, or no? .

What would be the point?

If you have a 'hard' limit as to how far over the limit you can go, why not just keep the actual points limit as that hard limit?

We usually don't do grace points, helps reduce confusion or arguing when different groups mix at the store or at local events since there is a relatively nearby store the one in my city cross promotes events with.

While it would be nice to help people who are new to get used to making lists, I would rather just get them off to a start using the normal rules.

No, because there is always a 5 or 10 point upgrade you can remove to get back under the point limit. 2000 means UP TO 2000 points. If you're at 2003, take the storm bolter off your land raider and just like that you're at 1998. It's not that hard to make a list that doesn't go over.

Zero. If the extra points aren't a big deal then why do you need to have them in your list?

I always stay at or below the limit, but I don't make a fuss if my opponent is a few points over (5 or less).

Five points either way, as long as there's no Melta Bombs or other 5pt upgrades. It's not an excuse for free upgrades, but I'm not going to force someone to play at 1239 when I'm at 1250. I'd rather they be at 1255 than under the points limit.

I personally don't go over as it defeats the 'point'. :3

However in a friendly/casual occurence I've allowed opponents to be over points, as long as it's nothing more than 2-4pts (I would never allow anything more than 4pts, as 5pts can get you stuff like melta-bombs, and allowing that has bit me before )

Our club generally has the policy of no grace points, but I find quite a few guys will go over by a few points and then match up to make it fair. (For example if player A had a 1503pts list then player B would let it slide as long as he could also add 3pts to his 1500pts list.)

I just stick to the values, it's easier and fairer, also the bulk of the time my lists come out at like 1498-1499 and I can't find anywhere to spend so few excess points.

A limit is a limit. If you want to play a 1852 point game say so beforehand.

It usually doesn't matter to me. I'd even allow up to 5% of the list value over without really worrying about it.

Edit: in a friendly game. In a tournament, the point limit is a hard limit.

I don't and wouldn't. Like others have said, there is always some upgrade you can knock off for a couple points. That is the whole point of there being a limit in the first place. I will admit that it is frustrating when you build the list exactly the way you want but come up three points above, but that's the brakes.

 insaniak wrote:

 The Internet is for Khorn wrote:
Does your group agree to a grace number, or no? .

What would be the point?

If you have a 'hard' limit as to how far over the limit you can go, why not just keep the actual points limit as that hard limit?

Or just increase the limit

Anyways, while I don't personally care, it seems puzzling to me that someone would *intentionally* go over. I'm pretty darn good at muh maths, and I've caught some people with bad math. I'm not talking about 2 points, either. I've run into people nearly 40 points over, lol. I just chalk it up to an innocent mistake rather than an intentional cheating , and gently point it out, even if I discover it mid-game.

I've also run into people who have lists where it says X points for Y squad with A, B, C upgrades, and if you're familiar with the army, you'd know that base + A + B + C doesn't ad up to X hehehe. People are generally pretty impressed and are actually, or pretend to be puzzled when I'm playing SM and point out that the cyclic ion blaster is a 15 point, not a 10 point option

I have also occasionally seen people add up points incorrectly to their disadvantage, and if I catch it before the game, I'll always point it out. They usually pick something totally useless to fill up the points anyways

My group generally would play at or below the point limit for army lists made ahead of time. If you're throwing something together quickly before a game, especially if you have limited models on hand, we would usually allow 5-10 points of leeway, but ONLY if there was no way to remove points without violating WYSIWYG. 40k is such a 'style over substance' game anyway, and pretty much all our armies were fully painted to a high standard, so we played "armed as shown" very strictly. In other words, add or remove melta bombs or extra armor as you wish, but your guy with a powerfist can't have a chainsword instead. If one guy was over by a few points, the other guy would generally just add points as necessary to make up for it, no big deal.

My opponent is allowed to to be as many points under the limit we set as they want. That's the reason for a point limit after all.

I will let anything up to 20 points go in most games, and ask if I can just add some meltabombs or teleport homers or whatever to make up the difference.

Once we hit 3000 points and/or have multiple players involved, up to around 100 points over is fine by me. People buy this stuff, I'd rather they get to use it that make them leave something off.

I do, provided I am allowed the same points over (if I am able to take them).

I've always played under and up to the limit, never over. Figured it was decent courtesy to keep to an agreed point limit.

Besides, half the fun of list building is trying to fit it all in without going over.

I don't see the point. If I am going to play a 2000 points game and my opponent wants 2005 points, I'll agree and add an extra meltabomb in there myself somewhere, effectively making it a 2005 point game... and then you may as well make it 2005 to begin with!

A teacher states that homework must be submitted on Tuesday. A child says they need a little more time, so the teacher gives in and adds another day to the deadline.

Repeat a few times, the child learns that it can push the deadline back in future because it will get away with it, which results in them being lazy with time management.



Apply to points limit - it makes for sloppy, unrefined lists and players who think they can fudge things and get away with it. So if it works for the points rule, perhaps it'll work for other rules too?

6 inch movement? Well, I'll still be 0.3 of an inch too short, so I'll fudge the extra 0.3' so I can get in range

For anything formal - none. The points value is 'up to but not exceeding'.

That said, If someone really couldn't, I would probably be more open-minded about ten-twenty points in a pick-up game in 7th edition than I was before - especially if we're talking about something which didn't really exist before: Formation-based armies.

Whilst a Combined Arms Detachment, or any of its various equivalents (Realspace Raiding Force, Nemesis Strike Force, etc, etc) can and should rearrange models and wargear to get themselves back under their points limit, armies built around fixed formations may not be able to do the same.

Many of them have fixed compositions, up to and including mandating the number of models in said formation - so getting them to fit exactly in a points limit is harder. If someone were to say "this is a 2020 point army - and the only way I can remove more than 20 points is to drop a 250+ point formation", then I'd say go with it - I can always bolt on the odd item of wargear myself to make up for it.

I’m personally strict with my lists; I never go over. If you know you have a game a few days in advance, I expect you to also keep under the limit. If you are tossing a list together at the table, I’m a lot more lenient. I’d rather get playing then wait half an hour for you to rejigger your list.

Sometimes it’s not as simple as adding/subtracting a melta bomb. To get under the points, sometimes I swap out whole units, reallocating where my army’s AV firepower is based, changing my HQ around, etc. If I had the extra 5 points, I might be playing a totally different list. Just tossing a melta bomb that probably not going to get used does not make things OK.

That said, I’d play anyway. I get in few enough games I can’t turn away the ones that I can fit into my schedule. But when my opponent asks if it’s OK that he’s over 5 points, he’s going to get a look and a sigh when I tell him that it’s alright.

Maybe if someone had an army of very few models and the game had an odd size of points, forcing them to play a 1100pts army in a 1200pts game ,because their codex doesn't have any units costing less then 300+pts unupgraded.

I would not care if someone went over by a few. It's not a big deal.

If the next best option is for them to be 13 pts under, I'll give a few points leeway and take the points as well. They usually go towards lesser daemon upgrades (5 pts) or an extra troop model so they get used.

Since I only play with friends, it's easy to text someone the day before a game and say "my list is 3 points over and it makes for perfect fluff so take an extra 3 points". Therefore it's usually a non issue since we just play at 1503 pts.

We will allow 20-50 points (On 2000 point games)

You make a list number so you go on or under that number. If someone was one or two points over, it wouldn't really bother me, though I don't understand why you need to go over the set amount.

I can't see getting bent out of shape over a few points, especially if you're ok with your opponent being under by a much larger margin than you're ok with them being over. You're not worried about playing a game where both are on equal ground. You're just worried about yourself being at a disadvantage, no matter how slight. It seems symptomatic of an individual overly concerned with winning and whom I'd not enjoy playing against anyway. If you think you really need that extra 3 points to make your list work, go right ahead. I can't imagine that someone could think that less than a half of one percent disadvantage in points would make or break a game which has many random factors and isn't super balanced anyway.